Can not rip DVD-R disc (not retail)

[NotSoEasy]

So I have this preservation on a single layer disc and a DL version on DL disc
Neither one will rip to my HDD using DVDFab HD Decrypter
Both seem to start off fine and then slowly come to a stop.I get about 30% into the ripping and then I get a popup saying something about read error.When it starts I can hear the burner working.When I know things are going to stop is when I hear the burner stop. (a humming/spinning sound)
I can rip any retail just fine so I am assuming this is a problem with how it was burned?

The unit is an Optiarc AD-7170A

[Baldrick]

Try on another computer/dvd reader.

[NotSoEasy]

I don't have a way of doing so otherwise I would have.

[oldandinthe way]

Could be a problem with the writer that burned it.

Could be a problem with the media used

Could be a problem with the drive you're reading it on.

Since it is not a retail disk it is probably not copy protected.

Attempt to copy it with imgburn or DVDdecrypter with infinite retries. Maybe if it runs long enough it will copy.

If it is important, spend $30 on a better burner than the Optiarc. Its a joint venture by SONY and NEC and neither SONY nor NEC fans like it much.

[NotSoEasy]

I tried with DVDdecrypter and image below is the error I got at about 40%
Really odd..........

[jman98]

This indicates a damaged disk. Probably a scratch. You can try polishing the discs with something designed for removing scratches, but my experience is that they don't work at all about half the time. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Reading on another drive is the only thing that works for me in such cases.

You have a "preservation"??? I don't think that word means what you think it does. I can think of one way in which that might make sense, but nobody else who speaks English as a first language would say it that way.

[NotSoEasy]

It means 'fan made' I guess
Thanks for the reply.I guess I am S.O.L. then and have to get them back from the originator.

[budz]

Have you tried using DVD FAB DECRYPTER to rip that disc?

[NotSoEasy]

I stated that in my first post.......thanks though.

[budz]

I stated that in my first post.......thanks though.

sounds like your drive isn't a good reader at all. buy a SAMSUNG, PIONEER or LG dvd burner and you won't have any read problems.

[NotSoEasy]

It does everything else fine though.Why would it not read burned DVD or at least read all the way through.
I tried a few backups and all the same thing.

[mats.hogberg]

In my experience, many (re)writable disks show read errors that makes them very hard to back up. Not enough errors to make a DVD player flinch, but enough to make a ripper keel over.
It's just the way things are.

/Mats

[budz]

It does everything else fine though.Why would it not read burned DVD or at least read all the way through.
I tried a few backups and all the same thing.

What brand of dvd media is that burnt disc? If it's MEMOREX, OFFICE DEPOT or TDK dvd media then that's where the problem lies. Those brands outsource their dvd media to a company called, "CMC", which manufactures the discs for them. They are considered crappy dvd media. The dye on the disc will degrade to the point that the files can no longer being able to be read. Which is why you could be having the problems of the disc ripping to your hard drive. Use DVDINFO PRO or CD/DVD SPEED to find out the MEDIA ID of that burnt disc.

FYI your drive OPTIARC 7170 drive is a collaboration of SONY & NEC. The older NEC drives were known not to be the best readers.

[NotSoEasy]

Yep, MEMOREX for both single and DL discs
Funny that I also have issues reading some CD-r that are MEMOREX with this drive.But I try the same CD-r in my brothers laptop ( VAIO ) it read it fine and extracted the data I needed.

What are good blank DVD to use?

[harrisonford]

This may sound funny, clean the disk, yeah I know its not the issue.

Try using a liteon dvd reader only, I have one that is 4years old when one of my burners will not read this is the only thing that will, but liteon reader have been the best readers, I have 9 of them, alot of used ones sitting on the self, as I upgrade, I buy a new one.

IsoBuster, try dvdfab non hd version, I use a older more stable version of dvdfab, it rips everything.

[lordsmurf]

This indicates a damaged disk.

Actually, no, it does not. It indicates trouble reading the disc. That trouble could just as easily be an issue with the drive.

The dye on the disc will degrade to the point that the files can no longer being able to be read.

Highly unlikely. Jumping to conclusions is how the "my disc died" myths start. The trouble is more likely to be related to reflectivity. A better drive, or a good drive in better condition, is what is needed here. There is also zero indication that the disc was ever a "good burn". Was it tested when it was burned? I'd venture a guess, and say no, just seeing the limited information given so far, and judging from the expertise of the poster.

That Memorex is most likely a CMC or RITEK, both of which have playability issues. Not a "bad burn" or "dead disc", just another case of crappy media.

[NotSoEasy]

So is it safe to say that in the end my drive is just a P.O.S. ?
I mean it can read all retail discs I throw at it but the burned ones have issues.
I will have to check for a disc that was burned with this drive because I know that the ones so far I have tested were not burned with this drive.

[mats.hogberg]

So is it safe to say that in the end my drive is just a P.O.S. ?

So far, the only safe thing to say is that that drive has problems reading that disk.

/Mats

[lordsmurf]

So is it safe to say that in the end my drive is just a P.O.S. ?

So far, the only safe thing to say is that that drive has problems reading that disk.
/Mats

Exactly. 8)

[NotSoEasy]

Digging up old issues.........
Seems these same discs will not even read now.It's as if I am inserting a blank disc.
Just inserted a MAXELL DVD-R and a MEMOREX DVD+R and neither would come up.Tried a FUJIFILM DVD-R and same thing.All 3 were burned with this burner and now that burner refuses to read them.How does this happen? All discs have little to no scratching.
Put in 2 MAXELL DVD+R and it seems to read ok but had problems playing movie.Would freeze up or stutter a bit on me.Again, little to no scratching.Burned with same burner.

All seem fine in standalone players.

I feel it is time for a new burner and better media.
Any suggestions of DL burner under $100 ?
What about media.Where to buy?
I often buy from TigerDirect ( where I got current burner from )

[mats.hogberg]

At least where I live, I can pick up a good DL burner for like $35
Take a look at the user ratings here: https://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters?DVDname=&oem=&chipset=&cdrs=&cdrws=&dvdrs=&dvdrws=...&Search=Search
Verbatim seems to be the best brand around these days, when it comes to media.

/Mats

[NotSoEasy]

Tiger Direct has some burners for around that price.I'd just like to hear from someone here who obviously knows burners and what brand or model would be better than what I have.

Thanks for the media tip.I have used that brand before and never had problems.Just always cost more retail than online so went with in store deals with Memorex and such....my bad

[mats.hogberg]

I'd just like to hear from someone here who obviously knows burners and what brand or model would be better than what I have.

Again, take a look at the DVD writer list. Not only "someone", but many of us, have rated the different writers. Much better info than what some random user(s) may write in this thread.

/Mats

[Tearren]

Since you are interested in DL burning, I would suggest getting a burner that lets you adjust the booktype from DVD+R DL to DVD-ROM.

Tearren

[NotSoEasy]

Ok so I was able to use a friends older drive.
Now the disc I burned with the Optiarc AD-7170A (that now cant be read from that same drive), can be read fine in this temp drive I got.How is that possible?
It can burn the disc but it wont read it? This leads me to think I didn't have a bad burn, just a jacked up drive thats picky.

EDIT:
The media is FUJIFILM DVD-R 8X

When there is no disc, in Explorer I see the first image.Then when I insert the disc, I hear the drive and think I will be all good and then I see the second image.....but nothing.I click it and there is nothing as if it were blank.

[[_chef_]]

That crappo disc is unreadable, what else should the shrubby explorer report??

[NotSoEasy]

Actually thats not true now.
If you read my post, it CAN be read, only by another drive and NOT by the drive that created the disc.
So it's not a crappo disc that is unreadable, but a crappo DVD writer!

[budz]

NotSoEasy: just buy a new internal dvd burner. Take a look at the different forums at CDfreaks.com. My suggestion to you is to buy either a PIONEER 112 or 115 drive from Newegg.com. I'd also suggest a SAMSUNG SATA S203B drive as well but using a SATA DVD Burner is another whole different ball game. You would be better off with buying another PATA internal dvd burner like the PIONEER drives I suggested. I'd stay away from any SONY/NEC dvd burner. Just my 2 cents!

[NotSoEasy]

Wish I new this before I bought it...but cant really complain.It did work nice for a while and did only cost me $35

Do you have links? I cant seem to find either on newegg.com

[budz]

Wish I new this before I bought it...but cant really complain.It did work nice for a while and did only cost me $35

Do you have links? I cant seem to find either on newegg.com

PIONEER 115, $29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827129018

The PIONEER 112 is obsolete now since the 115 drive is out. But I did find it on other websites.

http://www.computergate.com/products/item.cfm?prodcd=MWRP112DK

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=AA36700

BEST BUY carries the RETAIL version of the PIONEER 112 drive. It's model number 1810. Basically the drive is the same but the retail comes in a nice ole box with software and cable. The sticker on the drive itself will read PIONEER 112. If you can't wait to order one online get the retail one from BEST BUY. I've bought the retail versions when BB has 20% off coupons.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8197863&type=product&id=1165609038260