Trouble finding a layer break possibility for video ts file

[Daffyd39]

Hi all,
I have been trying to burn a video_ts file that is 7.92 gb. ImgBurn and PGC Edit both say that they can't find a suitable cell to use for the LB. I did some research and following the info that both it and then PGCEdit gave me, I split the cell at the recommended point (cell 14) using Vobblanker and processed it. Unfortunately both programs still give the same message with the newly processed folder and PGCEdit now recommends splitting the next cell! Am I missing something here?

I am not comfortable messing around too much more with the folders w/o getting some more advice.

A note: There is only 1 title set. ImgBurn says that the ISO file would be 8.511 gigs (99.57% of the capacity), is that too big and should I shrink the file a bit?
All advice appreciated!
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[tinker]

At 99.57% video file you do not have much room to fool around with layer brake, the window for layer brake is too small, that is why when you do it manually Edit recommend next cell. It has to be right smack close to the middle, second layer has to be same or smaller than first.
I would compress the file little more since when burned at that size it will come to the top of the DVD which is not recommended since there could be quality issue.

[Daffyd39]

Thanks for the advice, I think I understand. Will compressing it a little with DVDShrink give me enough room for ImgBurn to locate and utilise a cell of its own choosing or will I have to go back to PGCEdit?
I also assume that using DVDShrink I'll have to choose a custom ratio and frankly I'm not sure what would be the best, somewhere around 95-97%?
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[dadrab]

I believe I'd try to trim the video a little rather than re-encode and risk a quality loss.

[tinker]

I would go to 90-95%. If you have other encoder than DVDShrink it would help. Like DVDRemake. It has a free version and uses good quality encoders.
ImgBurn should give you a few choices for layer brake.

[spyhawk]

DvdRemake is not an encoder. I'd recommend trimming and blanking anything unnecessary. If still cannot find a LB, then split cell 14 into a few smaller segments. Imgburn will likely find a suitable LB in these smaller segments. If not, split again until Imgburn finds one.

[tinker]

Sorry for my mistake it is DVDRebuilder. For some reasons I always mix those two.

[Daffyd39]

Many thanks for the help. I have split two different cells (as prescribed by PGCEdit) twice, but still no luck. I have read though on the ImgBUrn website that it may take up to a dozen splits(!) before ImgBurn finds one suitable for a LB . I'll try again a bunch of splits tonight and cross my fingers.
I checked out DVD Rebuilder - seems very complicated and I dont't really want to recode the file. I did use DVDShrink to remove the menus, thus saving a bit of space. (Kept the orginal file though). Not sure what else I can do......
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[tinker]

Your file may just be too large. Check this posting concerning layer brake.

http://www.mmbforums.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=12048&st=80

Check the part where it say each layer could be only about 4Gb.
You do not have to split. ImgBurn will find the point on its own. It may be in the middle of the motion which will be seen during play as slight jerk, but it will find one.

[Daffyd39]

Thanks for the advice, I think I'll dowload the trial version of their Gear Mastering Pro edition and check. The file folder is 7.92 gigs, ImgBurn says the image iso size is 8.116 with menus, 8.069 without. I'' see if it meets specs tonight.
Re the trimmng and blanking, there are only the menus to trim. I will give DVDRebuilder another look, I'm sure there are guidses up here somewhere....
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[tinker]

Rebuilder is easy to use. In your case you just load the file, choose compressor HC or Qnc, set output folder and press backup. It will do the trick.
I use Rebuilder all the time and never had a problem ImgBurn finding layer brake. If you like Rebuilder you can purchase CCE encoder Basic, it does superb job.
It will take about one hour, depend on your processor.

[Daffyd39]

I used DVD Rebuilder (free version) overnight and it seemed to work fine. Trouble is I got a dvd size of 4.31GB which is not what I wanted.
Is there any way to just rebuild and rencode the file to fit properly on a DL disc? I couldn't see any settings in DVD RB free.
I don't really want to lose the quality of the full file.
Do I need DVD RB Pro? Or should I just keep splitting away?....
D.

[tinker]

Pro version has setting for DVD9.

[Daffyd39]

I don't mind buying the DVD Rebuilder Pro version, but is there much difference between using it or just using DVDShrink at say 95% to shrink the file a bit?

Will DVD Rebuilder improve the structure, etc. of the file making it any easire for ImgBurn to find an LB?

Sorry for all the questions, I just want to make sure I'm making the right decision here. I will say that I was impressed with the quality of the DVD5 that it produced....
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[tinker]

95% with Shrink should be OK. Rebuilder is using better encoders. Shrink should be OK for about 85% anything less is not so good. That is from his own author, because the way it use to compress. There was an article on it, but I cannot find it any more.
If you want to do this only once I would say use Shrink, if you will have more use for it, get Rebuilder.

[Daffyd39]

Well, I bit the bullet and purchased DVD Rebuilder Pro and it reworked the file (using HC) and I was able to then find an (average) layer break and build and burn an image with ImgBurn.

Many thanks tinker!

I haven't done a direct comparison of the image quality with the original file but if it's not as good as I hoped, I guess the next step will be purchasing CCE SP....