How to add new subtitles to an existing DVD

[JoeBolden]

What is the best way to add subs to a DVD that only has English Hard-coded subs for the non English language Filipino portions. I want to add French, Spanish & Italian? In addition to the methods discribed in this topic.

ifo -NTSC 720x 480 4:3 not spec perm display black bars top & bottom 16:9 result. see attachment cropped to subtitle area- how the hard-coded subs display.

Thank you, Joey

[manono]

You'd add them as you would any other subs. You might want to make a larger black rectangle around the subs to help cover up the hard coded ones, as described in this sequence of posts:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=1369910#post1369910

Take particular note of Jeanl's variation of the method described by r0lZ a few posts down.

Just out of curiosity, what's not spec about a widescreen 4:3 DVD?

[JoeBolden]

Just out of curiosity, what's not spec about a widescreen 4:3 DVD?

Thank you, Will read r0lZ post

I got that from
Main Movie VTS_06_0.IFO

Menu attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x480 (NTSC) (NTSC 525/60) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)
SubPicture 1: Not Specified (2-bit rle )

Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x480 (NTSC) (NTSC 525/60) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)
Audio 1: Tagalog (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x80)

None of the 3 static options are selected but movie is 16/9

[manono]

No, the DAR is 4:3. Maybe the movie AR is 1.78:1 or some such, but it seems to have been encoded as 4:3. Nothing unusual about that. When you said non-spec, I thought you meant not up to specification or non-compliant in some way.

[Charmer]

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[manono]

It's easy enough to make a subtitle play with a specific audio language with the use of a SetSTN command. Open the final DVD in PGCEdit and right-click on the audio menu. Highlight one of the audio language commands (make the box around it green), click on the current command itself in the big rectangle below the picture of the menu and in the new 'PGCEdit - Command Editor' screen go Alphabetically->SetSTN. Make sure 'constant stream numbers' is ticked (instead of GPRMs). Set both the audio stream number and the subtitle stream number the way you like. 'OK' and do the same for the other 2 languages. Streams begin with the number '0' so the first one is '0'. When you have all 3 set the way you like, 'OK' and 'Close' back to the main screen, 'Save' your work, and test it in a player before burning to disc. If you screw up somewhere, restore the automatically created backup and start over again. Below is a picture of what you're doing in the 'PGC - Command Editor' screen:

[Charmer]

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[manono]

You're right; I didn't understand. I thought you would be doing this through an Audio Menu

You can set a default audio language and subtitle language easily enough. Highlight the movie, right-click on the pre command over on the right side, and 'Add After'. Double-click on that new NOP and then follow the instructions from before to set the default audio and subtitle language.

[Charmer]

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[manono]

Yes, chapters can be created with VobBlanker. It's kind of a pain in the a** though, so your best bet is to demux and reauthor, this time with chapters. If you'd like to try creating chapters without demuxing, here's a guide:

http://download.videohelp.com/jsoto/guides/VobBlanker/splitting_cells/index.htm

[Charmer]

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[manono]

Which program should I use for this?

PGCDemux

Also, I'm wondering about creating menus. Which program is good for that?

I create my own menu backgrounds and then use DVDAuthorGUI to make the menus when I need them.

Is that a good program?

The best. It has a huge learning curve and costs $5000. If you want to spend money, many around here would recommend DVDLab Pro or TMPGEnc Authoring Works, or whatever it's called.

[Charmer]

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[manono]

For creating chapters? It depends on the format the authoring program uses. There are many different chapter formats. I use Muxman for authoring usually (no menus, though), and it accepts a .txt file with the chapters by framecount. If, for example, you're making a PAL DVD (25fps), and you want chapters every 5 minutes, the Celltimes.txt might go:

7500
15000
22500
30000
.
.
.
Other authoring programs accept chapters in various time formats. Some programs will let you play the video and choose where you want the chapters. It just depends. As for creating motion menus, you make them yourself and import them into the authoring programs that'll then make the menus for you. It just depends on how simple or how complex you want to get.

[Charmer]

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[manono]

Nope, sorry. I don't use any of them. I select the chapter points by major scene changes as well. The figures I gave before were just an example, and many people don't mind having them spaced evenly apart.

Perhaps someone else can help.

[headless chicken]

Will this method work with a DVD I authored with TMPGEnc Authoring works that has a dummy subtitles? In other words, I created a blank English subtitle stream (by clearing the contents of the SRT file) because I wanted to author the DVD with a subtitle on/off submenu but did not like the way the subtitles were rendered with TMPGEnc.

I used to txt2vobsub to make .subs that I want to now mux into the empty stream. Is this possible? Baldrick?

[headless chicken]

Exactly how much free space is needed for step 2 of method one?

[headless chicken]

Exactly how much free space is needed for step 2 of method one?

Apprarently around 29GB. Sheesh.

Okay, so method one failed. On to method two, but I've already hit a road block; there is no VTS_01_01.IFO
Just a VIDEO_TS.IFO, VTS_01_0.IFO and VTS_02_0.IFO

What do I do? Someone please reply to this thread and help.

[manono]

The guide is wrong. He means to say the VTS_01_0.IFO or VTS_02_0.IFO, whichever VTS has your movie

[headless chicken]

The guide is wrong. He means to say the VTS_01_0.IFO or VTS_02_0.IFO, whichever VTS has your movie

Thanks, manono. Will try again.

[headless chicken]

I'm running muxman .15R and getting the following error message:

Muxtiplex operation failed. GOP contains more tan 36 pictures at 221079 of (null).

(This is a DVD I authored myself from VCD with TMPGEnc Authoring Works 4.)

[manono]

Apparently you have at least one GOP with too many fields. You might try authoring using IFOEdit. It sometimes lets non-compliant video through.

[headless chicken]

Apparently you have at least one GOP with too many fields. You might try authoring using IFOEdit. It sometimes lets non-compliant video through.

I do not follow. I have already authored the DVD. You mean use IFOEdit to remux the video, audio and subtitles?

[manono]

Muxman is an authoring program. It's fairly strict about what it deems compliant and something that might have authored successfully in a different program might not with Muxman. Yes, IFOEdit also authors, although not as well as does Muxman, and you might try it to reauthor your assets.

You should probably also upgrade your Muxman as the one you have is fairly old, I think.

[headless chicken]

I tried using both IFOEdit and ReJig to mux the output from PgcDemux with the sup file, but the subtitles do not show up in the newly created VOB. Why must this be so difficult for me? lol

I seem to encounter a new problem every step of the way

[manono]

The newly created VOB? What do you mean? Are you playing the file as a DVD or as a file (just double clicking on the VOB file)? Open the full domain DVD in DVDSubEdit and check if you see the subs there.

Also, if you replaced the new DVD with subs back into the original one that doesn't have any subs, using VobBlanker or somesuch in order to get back the menus, you have to 'turn on' the new subs because the original DVD didn't have any and the IFOs still think there aren't any.

[headless chicken]

The newly created VOB? What do you mean? Are you playing the file as a DVD or as a file (just double clicking on the VOB file)? Open the full domain DVD in DVDSubEdit and check if you see the subs there.

The subs are visible in DVDSubEdit but the colors are off and the second line is cut off again because are too far down on the bottom of the screen. Everything was fine in the Subtitle Creator preview. Must be a PAL VCD > DVD authoring issue.

My other problem is that I get the following error message for three different subtitles when importing the full domain DVD into dvdsubedit:
SPU # 798 starting at LBA 714844 (LBA 190572 of VTS_xx_2.VOB) is incomplete! Dropping it...
VCID: 1/16 StreamID 0x20

How do I make sure none of the subtitles are dropped?

[manono]

The subs can easily be raised in DVDSubEdit. The sub colors can easily be changed in DVDSubEdit (or in PGCEdit). Read the included help file. Apparently you really do have subs, though, so your problem with not seeing them when playing the video is related either to how they're being played or by not having turned them on in the IFOs with PGCEdit. Since you didn't answer any of my questions in that regard, I wouldn't know or care.

If subs are being dropped, it's not DVDSubEdit's fault, but something you did or didn't do earlier. When you play the DVD with subs you can check if they're all there (difficult, I know, unless you know which subs might be missing).

[headless chicken]

The subs can easily be raised in DVDSubEdit. The sub colors can easily be changed in DVDSubEdit (or in PGCEdit). Read the included help file. Apparently you really do have subs, though, so your problem with not seeing them when playing the video is related either to how they're being played or by not having turned them on in the IFOs with PGCEdit. Since you didn't answer any of my questions in that regard, I wouldn't know or care.

If subs are being dropped, it's not DVDSubEdit's fault, but something you did or didn't do earlier. When you play the DVD with subs you can check if they're all there (difficult, I know, unless you know which subs might be missing).

I'm sorry...which question didn't I answer? I was opening the VIDEO_TS folder with PowerDVD and playing through there, and then switching on subs. I know that if you click on the VOB directly you can't see subs...that much I do know.

DVDSubEdit does give me the # of the subtitles that are being dropped...the error message doesn't make sense though. How are those subtitles incomplete?