How to add new subtitles to an existing DVD

[Chainsaw_1]

Hello !

I have used this guide to add subtitles. But when Muxman is finished working at 100 % i got this message :



What a hell is this ?

[manono]

Bully9,

The guide is clear, but if you've never used the Trace I guess it can seem difficult to figure out. Turn on the Trace (up at the top, Trace->Trace Mode).

Then Trace to the main menu, through the main menu, and to the subtitle menu, choose the language, and then back to the main menu. When the various menus appear, click on the button you want, just as if doing it with your remote control. Set a pre/post breakpoint on the main menu when you get back to it (the main menu will turn red in the left PGCEdit pane). Repeat the procedure and then (up at the top) PGC->Jump to PGC upon DVD insert. Save it and test it out in software before burning to disc. But this is all thoroughly explained in the guide, with pics. Anyone wishing to learn the wealth of information about DVDs available from PGCEdit absolutely has to learn how the Trace works.

[manono]

What a hell is this ?

When you get that message it means the total bitrate (video, audio, subs, muxing overhead) went over the max allowed once and Muxman won't give you a playable DVD. If possible, I'd suggest dropping a subtitle language you might not need and then try again. If that's not possible, I'd suggest using IFOEdit for the mux. Go DVD Author->Author new DVD, and it takes files in the same format as does Muxman, and will still give you a playable DVD, even if it also reports buffer underflows (as long as there aren't too many).

[Chainsaw_1]

Bully9,

The guide is clear, but if you've never used the Trace I guess it can seem difficult to figure out. Turn on the Trace (up at the top, Trace->Trace Mode).

Then Trace to the main menu, through the main menu, and to the subtitle menu, choose the language, and then back to the main menu. When the various menus appear, click on the button you want, just as if doing it with your remote control. Set a pre/post breakpoint on the main menu when you get back to it (the main menu will turn red in the left PGCEdit pane). Repeat the procedure and then (up at the top) PGC->Jump to PGC upon DVD insert. Save it and test it out in software before burning to disc. But this is all thoroughly explained in the guide, with pics. Anyone wishing to learn the wealth of information about DVDs available from PGCEdit absolutely has to learn how the Trace works.

Ok but i wied Muxman-logg and it says something tilke this :

(and when i playd the DVD from the Muxman outputpath i noticed that the dvd playback was choppy at time 00:51:15

Starting scene Segment_1_scn16 at 00:51:15:20
P-STD buffer underflow by 27848 bytes at 291693692, sector 1184540.
Starting scene Segment_1_scn17 at 00:55:10:08

[Chainsaw_1]

What a hell is this ?

When you get that message it means the total bitrate (video, audio, subs, muxing overhead) went over the max allowed once and Muxman won't give you a playable DVD. If possible, I'd suggest dropping a subtitle language you might not need and then try again. If that's not possible, I'd suggest using IFOEdit for the mux. Go DVD Author->Author new DVD, and it takes files in the same format as does Muxman, and will still give you a playable DVD, even if it also reports buffer underflows (as long as there aren't too many).

My DVD audio is in 5,1 DD and 2,0 DD. Maybe if i stripp the 2,0 audio , maybe it wil go smoother then ?

[manono]

Oh, so you got a playable DVD out of it? Maybe you're using an older version which allowed a few buffer underflows? Anyway, yes, that's what happens when you have buffer underflows - a quick stutter at those places.

If you have an audio track you can drop, then it should mux without the buffer underflow.

[Chainsaw_1]

Oh, so you got a playable DVD out of it? Maybe you're using an older version which allowed a few buffer underflows? Anyway, yes, that's what happens when you have buffer underflows - a quick stutter at those places.

If you have an audio track you can drop, then it should mux without the buffer underflow.

Its still giving med that underflow error message. Can this have someting to do with the Demuxing process as well ?
Maybe i got to Demux the DVD one more time ?

I will now try to Mux it with only adding one subtitle, and se what happens

PS: What is the new version fof Muxman , its 0.16.6 ?

[manono]

It's not exactly new, but yes, 16.6 is the most recent free version of Muxman.

And even without the DD 2.0 audio it still gives underflows? My next suggestion, then, is to try authoring usiing IFOEdit. I don't really see how it can have anything to do with the demux. If you like, though, you can try a fresh demux, perhaps by loading all the VOBs into DGIndex and then File->Save Project and Demux Video.

[Chainsaw_1]

It's not exactly new, but yes, 16.6 is the most recent free version of Muxman.

And even without the DD 2.0 audio it still gives underflows? My next suggestion, then, is to try authoring usiing IFOEdit. I don't really see how it can have anything to do with the demux. If you like, though, you can try a fresh demux, perhaps by loading all the VOBs into DGIndex and then File->Save Project and Demux Video.

Ok now i tried to remove a audio stream

I have two streams : 5,1 DD and 2,0 DD

I removed the 2,0 version and than it worked great !

Thank you so much for you'r help !

[Chainsaw_1]

Hi there !

Now i added 13 more subs. To my Original DVD ( which had 4 original subs. Norwegian, dannish , sewdish and finnish)

After finnishing muxing in Muxman i used the vobBlanker. And then PGCEdit

I have sucsessfuly added 13 more subs, but now the 4 original subs. wont show up ! What have i done wrong ?

Another thing is that when i hit the subtitlebutton and i want ..., say i want French subtitle i select French but then the
Dutch subs. Show up instead, and so on...

I think that the 4 original subs are in two separate tracks, one for LB and one for Wide. I didn't do that with the additional subs, maybe it has someting to do with that ?

Or maybe it is PGCEdit who is the problem ? , maybe i must try IFOEdit instead ? But to Update IFO with IFOEdit is quite difficult isn't it ?

[manono]

I think that the 4 original subs are in two separate tracks, one for LB and one for Wide. I didn't do that with the additional subs, maybe it has someting to do with that ?

Yes, and not only maybe but definitely. This assumes a 16:9 movie.

When adding subs for 16:9 movies each sub has to be loaded twice, even if it's the same sub. When you demuxed the original subs, if there was only one for each language, they used the same one for both 4:3 and 16:9 playback. If each language had 2 subs then they used different ones for 4:3 and 16:9 display. Perhaps the more common is the same sub for both (although I prefer making 2 subs myself). I expect you created one sub for each language and it has to be loaded twice, once for Wide (first) and then again for LB.

You said each original language had 1 sub, so for those 4 original ones load the first and hit 'Wide', advance the stream counter, load the first again and hit 'LB'. Then for the 2nd track advance the counter again, load the 2nd one and hit 'Wide', advance the counter, load the 2nd again and hit 'LB'. Do that 2 more times for the originals and then do yours the same way.

[Chainsaw_1]

I think that the 4 original subs are in two separate tracks, one for LB and one for Wide. I didn't do that with the additional subs, maybe it has someting to do with that ?

Yes, and not only maybe but definitely. This assumes a 16:9 movie.

When adding subs for 16:9 movies each sub has to be loaded twice, even if it's the same sub. When you demuxed the original subs, if there was only one for each language, they used the same one for both 4:3 and 16:9 playback. If each language had 2 subs then they used different ones for 4:3 and 16:9 display. Perhaps the more common is the same sub for both (although I prefer making 2 subs myself). I expect you created one sub for each language and it has to be loaded twice, once for Wide (first) and then again for LB.

You said each original language had 1 sub, so for those 4 original ones load the first and hit 'Wide', advance the stream counter, load the first again and hit 'LB'. Then for the 2nd track advance the counter again, load the 2nd one and hit 'Wide', advance the counter, load the 2nd again and hit 'LB'. Do that 2 more times for the originals and then do yours the same way.

Ok i did what you told me, and i managed to get the subtiteles to work. (included the 4 originals) BUT ! i still have a problem. The problem is that when i select Danish subs for example (in DVDremotecontroll menu) i get English subs , an when I chose Dutch subs I get Spanish and so on…. I tested this in Power DVD and my ps3 DVD player. (PS : I loaded the subs twice for each language but the SUPfiles for each language are only done for letterbox in Subtitle creator, Is that a problem ? do I HAVE to make 2 SUP files separate for each language ? ? one for letterbox and one for wide 16:9 ?

That’s the only problem I have left. I got to fix it. Maybe this has something to do with updating the IFO files in PGCEdit , maybe i have to update the IFO Files in IFOEdit ? (I have read somewhere on internett that IFOEdit works best for PAL-DVD’s , is that true ?)

Or can it be MuxMan ? Maybe i also have to mux in IFOEdit (but IFOEdit doesn’t support subs for both wide and letterbox right ? , . ? . If i must mux and update the ifo files in IFOEdit, is there any guide on internett on how to do that ?

[manono]

If, when scrolling through the subs with the remote, (or in software, like when using PowerDVD), they come up in the right order but some are mislabeled, then you just have to relabel them. If that's the problem, open the DVD in PGCEdit. Highlight the movie (make it grey colored). In the upper right is what looks like a green reel of film. Click on that and in the new screen you can change the assigned language codes. Before doing that you might write down which sub is really which language. If you don't know the code for all the languages, there's also a button for 'ISO639 language codes' you can hit to find out.

I loaded the subs twice for each language but the SUPfiles for each language are only done for letterbox in Subtitle creator, Is that a problem ?

No, not really, except that they might look a little 'fat' when watching on a widescreen TV set. That's why I like to make 2 sets. But the problem is more serious for NTSC than it is for PAL people.

do I HAVE to make 2 SUP files separate for each language ? ? one for letterbox and one for wide 16:9 ?

No, you don't have to make 2 sets. You just have to load each set twice.

..but IFOEdit doesn’t support subs for both wide and letterbox right ? , . ?

That's right.

[Chainsaw_1]

Hi !

I finaly got my subtitles to work on my DVD.
But im curious about something.............. is there any guide on internett how to make a new subtitlemenu also ? i understand that i have to edit the original menu. Is this to much work ? if it is a hell of a lot work , than i rather skip it. For example original DVD has English subtitles, but if you add more you can add more to the Original DVD menu also right ?

Anyone who has knowledge about this ?

[manono]

i understand that i have to edit the original menu. Is this to much work ? f it is a hell of a lot work , than i rather skip it.

Here's my guide to editing menus:

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic313743.html

But what you want to do is exponentially harder. Not only will you be editing the menu background (easy, following the guide), but you'll also have to edit the underlying subpic. Farther down in the comments to the guide is a fellow that did what you want. If I remember correctly, he gives some instructions. But teaching what he did wasn't really the intent of the guide. Besides, DVDSubEdit didn't have the ability to extract subpics at the time the guide was written, although it came soon afterwards.You can extract it using DVDSubEdit and edit it to add new languages in Paint or some photo editor, and then replace it using DVDSubEdit. Then you'll have to create new buttons for the new languages and new menu commands (both using PGCEdit) so it'll do what you want when someone clicks on the buttons. Altogether it's a lot of work and I don't really know of a guide to doing what you want.

[Chainsaw_1]

i understand that i have to edit the original menu. Is this to much work ? f it is a hell of a lot work , than i rather skip it.

Here's my guide to editing menus:

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic313743.html

But what you want to do is exponentially harder. Not only will you be editing the menu background (easy, following the guide), but you'll also have to edit the underlying subpic. Farther down in the comments to the guide is a fellow that did what you want. If I remember correctly, he gives some instructions. But teaching what he did wasn't really the intent of the guide. Besides, DVDSubEdit didn't have the ability to extract subpics at the time the guide was written, although it came soon afterwards.You can extract it using DVDSubEdit and edit it to add new languages in Paint or some photo editor, and then replace it using DVDSubEdit. Then you'll have to create new buttons for the new languages and new menu commands (both using PGCEdit) so it'll do what you want when someone clicks on the buttons. Altogether it's a lot of work and I don't really know of a guide to doing what you want.

Ok thanks for the info. I think i skip that , i don't need it anyway. I was just curious.

[killinmesmalls]

I'm sorry but this might seem like an obvious question, but I'm completely new to dvd editing (as in I just started today) and I was wondering if the celltimes.txt file from the demux program should be blank. the file that was produced for me was blank and i thought that that might be why my subtitles aren't showing up. thanks.

[manono]

I'm sorry but this might seem like an obvious question, but I'm completely new to dvd editing (as in I just started today) and I was wondering if the celltimes.txt file from the demux program should be blank. the file that was produced for me was blank and i thought that that might be why my subtitles aren't showing up. thanks.

The celltimes.txt is a list of chapters. Since it's empty, that particular PGC has only 1 cell (chapter). It's nothing to do with subtitles. You might check the root of the C Drive for the Muxman log to see if it has any information about why there are no subs. There could be lots of reasons.

What do you mean by 'blank'? There's no video either?

[killinmesmalls]

I just meant that when I opened the text file there was no information there.

I've actually discovered that the problem is the subtitles are either out of sync or not lined up correctly with the video. I was able to open the video in Window Media Player and I see the very tip of some words, but they are not synched with the video and they are not completely visible. I'm not sure how to fix that.

[manono]

If it's a DVD, the subs can be raised using DVDSubEdit. If they're out of synch by the same amount all the way through, the delay can also be fixed using DVDSubEdit. If the delay is progressive, something that might be caused by subs from a PAL DVD being added to an NTSC DVD or vice-versa, the problem is trickier to fix but is also doable.

[Chainsaw_1]

Hi !


im using PgcDemux, but when i select the VTS_01_01.IFO from the original DVD and i select VOB id, i find the main movie in two pieces, one is calld : VID 08 00:55:53 and second : VID 09 00:29:30. But if i chose "By PGC" i have noticed that the whole main movie in the PGC list : #8--> 01:25:23.

(the main movie is 01:25:23)

Can i use the option "by PGC" ? or is there some way to use "VOB id" mode even if the main movie is splitted ?

[manono]

You should always demux by PGC, and I believe the guide is in error. Sometimes (rarely) the audio might get out of synch where VOB ID 1 and VOB ID 2 join, so hope for the best. One reason you more-or-less have to demux by PGC is that VobBlanker has no way to replace videos by VOB ID. It can handle PGCs and Cells, but not VOB IDs.

[Chainsaw_1]

You should always demux by PGC, and I believe the guide is in error. Sometimes (rarely) the audio might get out of synch where VOB ID 1 and VOB ID 2 join, so hope for the best. One reason you more-or-less have to demux by PGC is that VobBlanker has no way to replace videos by VOB ID. It can handle PGCs and Cells, but not VOB IDs.

Thanks, i try that. But do i have to enable the option "Create a PGC VOB" in pgc demux ?

[manono]

No, you don't need a VOB, just the M2V, which you'll get by checking the 'Demux Video Stream' box.

[danielko]

Hi, how come after completing the steps,
the other subtitles are gone? (i've inserted one previously)
and the other audio streaming doesn't work? (i've inserted manually but still thay're not working once selecting it).

TY

[Rob_034]

Now hear this. I ran the wizard as described in the guide and it worked fine. Now I wanted to change something about the layout of the subtitles so I made the change in Subtitle creator, saved them and started the wizard again. For some reason when I press Start after entering the necessary data the following error message appears :

"The process cannot access the file '..\SC_Temp\Subpicture_20.sup' because it is being used by another process."

Even when I restart the PC and do it again this happens. Anybody any idea what can be wrong.

[Bully9]

I've had problems with these apps 'hanging on' to files. You might try having a look at the processes in taskmaster and terminate anything that might be causing the error.

[manono]

I agree. Do a CTRL-ALT-DELETE and check if SubtitleCreator (or something else, a player, perhaps?) wasn't closed after being used.

[KamiKaxxe]

Friends, I have a problem that surely you have seen before, I worked with a few captions in Aegisub and are synchronized according to the method we present here MeGUI that Blinx, the problem is that when passing it to SUP using Subtitle Creator and use the MUXMAN all subs are unsync.

The DVD is GARO dvd 01 at 29.97 (Gspot result).

How could it be?

PD: I convert all the 4 chapters as a big avi using AutoGNK and test my sub as ASS, SRT, everything is ok.

[peeknocker]

Hello all, and thank you for your very informative tutorials.

I have a problem: I extracted a german subtitle track from a dvd in srt format.

I then translated the subtitles into english and I am now attempting to reassemble the dvd with the new subs. Problem is, the subtitles are no longer in synch and they are pink and white. I thought it would very relatively easy, to extract pre-existing subs, translate the text (via google translator and a german-speaking relative) and then to reassemble the disc without altering the timing of the original subs. The disc is german and both subrip and sub creator identify the disc as PAL, so what am I doing wrong? Any help would be appreciated!!