How to burn 8.3G iso movie file to dvd double layer disc?

[ibearzz]

Hi there,

I have a 8.3 G iso movie file and I want to burn on a dvd dl disc. If anyone know how to do it?

Thanks

[somebodeez]

Hello and welcome!

ImgBurn is a very good tool, free and very popular here.
You might want to give that a try.
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?s=e8faee32f8d640e60040eaa1473f09dd&showtopic=61

Also consider using Verbatim DL discs. Cheap media usually causes playback problems.

Warning: if your player is an old one, it may not be able to play DVDR DL.

[ibearzz]

thanks!

One more think...how can I set up the layer break?

[somebodeez]

If I remember correctly, when you go to burn the iso if the layer break wasn't set or improper, I believe ImgBurn will let you know and offer you the choice of either continuing with the burn (not recommended) or go into Build mode and offer you layer break placement options.

[Alex_ander]

Looks like 8.3GB is too much for a 8.5'GB' DVDR (which is actually 8.500.000.000 bytes=7.9GB).

[ibearzz]

ImgBurn can not burn the disk and generated a logfile like this......

I 18:25:28 ImgBurn Version 2.3.2.0 started!
I 18:25:28 Microsoft Windows Server 2003, Standard Edition (5.2, Build 3790 : Service Pack 2)
I 18:25:28 Total Physical Memory: 523?84 KB - Available: 189?92 KB
I 18:25:28 Initialising SPTI...
I 18:25:28 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 18:25:28 Found 1 DVD-ROM and 1 DVD±RW!
I 18:31:35 Operation Started!
I 18:31:35 Building Image Tree...
I 18:32:03 Checking Directory Depth...
I 18:32:03 Calculating Totals...
I 18:32:04 Preparing Image...
I 18:32:58 Using Layer Break LBA: 1863353 -> 1863360 (VTS_01, PGC: 1, Chapter: 15, Cell: 16, Vob/Cell ID: 2/1, Time: 01:07:34, SPLIP: No)
I 18:32:58 Checking Path Length...
I 18:32:58 Image Size: 7?12?03?88 bytes
I 18:32:58 Image Sectors: 3?70?56
I 18:33:07 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:01:31
I 18:33:07 Operation Started!
I 18:33:07 Source File: -==/\/[BUILD IMAGE]\/\==-
I 18:33:07 Source File Sectors: 3?70?56 (MODE1/2048)
I 18:33:07 Source File Size: 7?12?03?88 bytes
I 18:33:07 Source File Volume Identifier: XXX
I 18:33:07 Source File Application Identifier: IMGBURN V2.3.2.0 - THE ULTIMATE IMAGE BURNER!
I 18:33:07 Source File Implementation Identifier: ImgBurn
I 18:33:07 Source File File System(s): ISO9660; UDF (1.02)
I 18:33:07 Destination Device: [1:0:0] _NEC DVD_RW ND-3500AG 2.16 (D (ATA)
I 18:33:07 Destination Media Type: DVD+R DL (Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01)
I 18:33:07 Destination Media Sectors: 4?73?24
I 18:33:07 Write Mode: DVD
I 18:33:07 Write Type: DAO
I 18:33:07 Write Speed: 2,4x
I 18:33:07 Link Size: Auto
I 18:33:07 Test Mode: No
I 18:33:07 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 18:33:07 Optimal L0 Data Zone Capacity: 1?63?60
I 18:33:07 Optimal L0 Data Zone Method: IFO Cell Boundary, 'SPLIP' Flag Not Set
I 18:33:21 Filling Buffer... (20 MB)
I 18:33:24 Writing LeadIn...
W 18:33:24 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (2 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (3 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (4 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (5 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (6 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (7 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (8 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (9 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (10 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (11 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (12 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (13 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (14 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (15 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:24 Retrying (16 of 20)...
W 18:33:24 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:25 Retrying (17 of 20)...
W 18:33:25 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:25 Retrying (18 of 20)...
W 18:33:25 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:25 Retrying (19 of 20)...
W 18:33:25 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
W 18:33:25 Retrying (20 of 20)...
W 18:33:25 Retry Failed - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
E 18:33:27 Failed to Write Sectors 0 - 31 - Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
I 18:33:27 Synchronising Cache...
I 18:33:28 Closing Track...
E 18:33:31 Close Track Failed! - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
I 18:33:31 Closing Track (Last Attempt!)...
E 18:33:31 Close Track Failed! - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
I 18:33:31 Finalising Disc...
E 18:33:39 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
I 18:33:39 Finalising Disc (Last Attempt!)...
E 18:33:39 Finalise Disc Failed! - Reason: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format
E 18:33:39 Failed to Write Image!
E 18:33:39 Operation Failed! - Duration: 00:00:32
I 18:33:39 Average Write Rate: N/A - Maximum Write Rate: N/A


Do you know what is the problem? My dvd drive is NEC DVD RW ND-3500AG. I am using TDK double layer disc +R
Thanks for you help!!!

[guns1inger]

I suspect the discs you are using are newer that the write strategies of your burner. A firmware update should fix it.

[t0nee1]

As was suggested before by somebodeez, use Verbatim DVD+R DL media.....unless you want to keep collecting frisbees....

[guns1inger]

Just noticed the Ritek tag in the log - bad news.

[Seeker47]

Looks like 8.3GB is too much for a 8.5'GB' DVDR (which is actually 8.500.000.000 bytes=7.9GB).

Right. I've run into a similar problem when trying to burn a longer movie (longer than 2 hours, but I don't recall exactly what the cutoff is) that was recorded on the Pioneer 640 in XP mode. In several of those cases, I just got an early warning that the capacity of the DL blank was insufficient. It is clearly less than 2 SLs, because in most such cases I was able to find some decent mid-point to split the movie into two halves, and dump it off to 2 SL blanks, without having to downgrade from the XP bitrate that would not have fit onto the DL disc.

Unless commercially released DVDs have access to special, extra length blanks (and I doubt that), I suppose they must play games with the bitrate, in order to accommodate a film with more than 2.5 hours running time onto a single disc.

[guns1inger]

XP mode is stupidly higher than the acceptable bitrates for in spec DVDs. Nobody plays games with bitrates, they just calculate appropriate bitrates. Commercial DVDs are not encoded by lazy people like us, who just use a bitrate calculator, throw in some numbers and let the encoder do all the work. Commercial encodes are carefully planned, with chapter marks set in advance, with fades and dissolves allocated higher bitrates than other parts of the movie etc. But there is no trick to it. I have put more than 2.5 hours of VHS source on single layer discs at acceptable quality (i.e. better than the source after processing), and more than 2 hours of DVD quality on dual layer discs.

Running time is not the measure of a disc capacity. Don't take any notice of the 120 and 240 minute references on blank discs. Capacity (the amount of data required) is calculated by bitrate X running time. No magic there.

The other thing to remember is that a dual layer disc is not double the capacity of a single layer disc. It is less.

Finally, if you have a Pioneer then you have the ability to tell it exactly what running time to encode for so you know it will fit. If you just use XP mode then you have no control over size. For example, I record most TV programs on the basis of fitting 90 minutes to a disc. If I just dump the programs as recorded (with commercials) they won't fit. However if I remove the commercials on the Pioneer recorder I can comfortably fit two episodes to a disc at the right bitrate.

[Seeker47]

XP mode is stupidly higher than the acceptable bitrates for in spec DVDs.

Could you be thinking of XP+, a feature that was on their 53x series, but then discontinued ? According to the manuals for the 520 or 640, XP is the same as "MN32." I confess I can't quote offhand what bitrate that equals exactly, or what the max bitrate for an in spec DVD is. I'll look it up.

What I meant to say was that the commercial DVD, in order to fit a 3-hour movie on one disk (even d/l), will have to impose some limitations on the bitrate, at a possible cost to the visual quality. (I'm aware that letterboxing will make a difference, as would an action film vs. a chamber drama, or having extra soundtrack options.)

Finally, if you have a Pioneer then you have the ability to tell it exactly what running time to encode for so you know it will fit. If you just use XP mode then you have no control over size. For example, I record most TV programs on the basis of fitting 90 minutes to a disc. If I just dump the programs as recorded (with commercials) they won't fit. However if I remove the commercials on the Pioneer recorder I can comfortably fit two episodes to a disc at the right bitrate.

Yes, that's how I usually record shows or movies. 2 episodes of a 1 hour show, with commercials edited out, at the Pioneer MN26 typically fits quite nicely on a SL disc, with your best possible quality. Or MN27 is about the best you can do to record "Scarface" (more than 2 hours running time) onto a d/l blank. On occasion, when I was recording something much shorter, where there was no danger of exceeding media capacity, and I wanted to go for the best looking result available, I used XP. (Similarly, I've used the LCPM setting for stereo concert material, in the hope that would sound the best.) Are you suggesting that in such cases I've seriously screwed things up by choosing those ? Staying in spec is to be preferred, I'm sure, but ultimately, so long as those discs play o.k. on the standalone players I bring them to, I'm not terribly concerned about it.

[guns1inger]

XP records at the maximum for the DVD spec, which unfortunately many players cannot do from burned media. Putting that to one side for the moment, recording at a level that fills a two single layer DVDs is not the same as filling a single DL disc, as the capacity of a DL disc is lower (substantially) than the combined capacity of two single layer discs (4.38 + 4.38 versus 7.9).

Encoding is all about bitrate. Even recording less than an hour has a bitrate imposed on it by the DVD spec. Mpeg can be encoded at much higher bitrates than what DVD can handle, and is for other applications (HDTV, for example). Putting somthing like ScarFace or The GodFather on a DL disc means dropping the bitrate back into the mid-5000's, or around 60% of the maximum allowable bitrate. The studios can do this because they very carefully encode their source material, and have very high quality source to begin with. They also aren't limited to single pass encoding, as you are with a DVD recorder. Again, there is no real trick to this. They inhabit the same physical world as us, and have the same limitations. And sometimes they have to compromise to maintain quality, hence we get films like Lawrence of Arabia and Spartacus being split over two dual layer discs.

But the bottom line is that 1 hour (actually, closer to 65 minutes) at XP mode recording fills a single layer disc. However because a DL disc is less than two SL discs when it comes to capacity, 2 hours at XP mode will not fit in a DL disc.