Double-standard, conspiracy, both, or something else?

[Midzuki]

When some elder members of the VH community explain why
Windows Media Player or Windows Movie Maker are not very good,
one assumes they are well-informed and do know what they are
talking about; on the other hand, when I happened to explain
why dotNET Framework and Internet Explorer cannot be
intelligent choices, I immediately was labeled as:

1) a Microsoft hater;

2) an anti-Microsoft zealot;

3) an anti-Microsoft propaganda mongerer;

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[Xylob the Destroyer]

*retracted* (that's what I get for making assumptions and jumping the gun!)

[SquirrelDip]

There's a big difference between "... are not very good" and "... cannot be
intelligent choices"

People generally take offence to being called stupid.

[guns1inger]

when I happened to explain why dotNET Framework and Internet explorer cannot be intelligent choices

Except that you don't. You posted two quotes that supported your already formed opinion, then became upset when it that opinion was challenged and when it pointed out that the article referenced weren't exactly unbiased or accurate.

You jump in to any post that suggests use of a Microsoft product and immediately take the negative position, usually adding little to the post other than "Microsoft is bad, m'kay". Any post that has someone with an issue with a Microsoft product for any reason and you jump in with a great "yippee - see, Microsoft is evil".

The only conspiracy I see here is the one in your mind that Microsoft are out to rule the world by providing poor quality products to the masses. If that was the path the world domination, Ford would have ruled the planet fifty years ago.

It is easy to sit down and point out flaws with anything. Every operating system has short-comings. Accept it. Simply posting to put forward your negative view, without offering a real alternative that actually assists the original poster does nothing more than feed your own bias.

[Midzuki]

guns1inger wrote:

... and when it pointed out that the article referenced weren't exactly unbiased or accurate.

and you want me to believe that the "argumentations" from nTekka and JohnnyMalaria
ARE in fact "unbiased and accurate"? Come on!

You jump in to any post that suggests use of a Microsoft product

Any post of such nature? Are you really sure of that?

And please go on, please keep feeding your own biases.
"Certainly" they are better than mine.

guns1inger also wrote:

< --- lots of distorted info --- SNIP >


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[stiltman]

I immediately was labeled as:
1) a Microsoft hater;

2) an anti-Microsoft zealot;

3) an anti-Microsoft propaganda mongerer;

That's funny....Most elders here ARE within those discriptions.

[Midzuki]

SquirrelDip wrote:

People generally take offence to being called stupid.

Now I understand. That's what gives them the right to
spread tons of bullshit about my behavior in the VideoHelp forums,
I conclude.

@ stiltman:

Would you mind lending me 18 months of your VH membership?

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[stiltman]

BTW, I'm a MS fanboy. Well, at least until a BETTER OS comes out

[gadgetguy]

Once again I have to ask... If you don't want to hear the answer, why do you ask the question?

[Midzuki]

Well, as a freshman to these forums, I still fed the silly hope that
people apparently cleverer than I would never ever be capable of writing
exceedingly-stupid statements. To the best of my memory, I have simply
stressed that .NET and Vista really are annoyingware, whenever
I found it appropriate. However, from this undeniable simple fact,
a self-entitled "almighty savior of the non-existent honor of Microsoft"
erroneously concluded "OMG!, there goes another extremely-dangerous
Microsoft hater! Let's stop them already!" Well, at least I have learned
to perceive who is a pro-Microsoft zealot and who is not

Bottom line is, when someone simply wants to misunderstand what other
people say

{ the thread

https://forum.videohelp.com/topic335154.html

is a good example of what I am talking about },

there's nothing we can do to stop them from wanting to act insanely.
Of course they can always blame it all on my imperfect English...

Thanks for the input, gadgetguy.
@ all: Hasta la vista, baby!

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P.S.:

--- as for nTekka: yes, there is a difference between "bloatware" and "resource hog";

--- as for JohnnyMalaria: yes, there is a difference between "irrelevant" and "impertinent";

--- as for guns1inger: *no comments*;

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[guns1inger]

What do you want me to say ? That you are wildly over-reacting again ?

OK

You are wildly over-reacting, again.

[Lucifers_Ghost]

I'm curious Midzuki .. what do figure the pissing and moaning is going to get you? It certainly isn't going to make you more popular. It might change your label from "super microsoft propaganda hater" to "jesus, shut it already" but thats about it.

Why does it bother you so much that a bunch of nameless faceless people dont like what you have to say? Is your self esteem THAT shot?

I dont think its so much that everyone doesnt want to hear what you have to say. If you add to a post "yeah, I dont like the .net frameware. I think it sucks." Fine. But on one thread about it, you went on and on about it. We get it. You dont like it. Then when someone else has a counter statement, you throw in "Groundless M$-supporting propaganda, as already expected." Its childish, argumentative, and essentially sets the stage that you are "trying" to start something. Its not only what you say, its how you say it. Be a little more tactful and it might get you a bit further. As well, the old addage "if you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all" occasionally applies.

Besides, these forums have been around for quite some time. I have also been around for quite some time. I consider myself an "elder" in terms of length of time here but certainly not in knowledge (as compared to some of the other wizards here). I have never ever ever had a problem with anyone on this board. I can assure you that the boards and the people here are not going to cater to you. I suggest that if you dont like how things are run, you *may* want to consider shopping at another store. Cause the complaining will only get you banned from a mod.

Chill out, relax, have a good time. There are fun people here.

[lordsmurf]

Microsoft is fine. It's just a company. They make great products, they also make crap products.

Generally okay:
OS
WMP
Word, Office
Notepad, Wordpad (part of OS)
MSN.com
XBOX

Generally crap:
Movie Maker
IE
Defender
Backup
... most of these are cheesy crap that comes built into the OS

With WWW being what it is today, I'd have to agree IE is not an intelligent choice. Kind of like putting a padlock on a screen door, in terms of security. Bazillions of holes still there. There's a reason the Firefox share is now sitting pretty in the 40% range. I convert about 25 people per year. It doesn't take any arm twisting when they see the features (tabs, recover tabs, restore browser session, adblock, greasemonkey, etc).

[MeDiCo_BrUjO]

Generally okay:
Notepad

Open question: Without the intention of threadjacking... what would be the definition of an "elder" in terms of time? (not in terms of knowledge, most people in this forum knows who-knows-what around here).

[SquirrelDip]

Generally okay:
Notepad

Open question: Without the intention of threadjacking... what would be the definition of an "elder" in terms of time? (not in terms of knowledge, most people in this forum knows who-knows-what around here).

I would say if you've ever logged into vcdhelp.com you'd be an elder...

[Xylob the Destroyer]

I'm curious Midzuki .. what do figure the pissing and moaning is going to get you? It certainly isn't going to make you more popular. It might change your label from "super microsoft propaganda hater" to "jesus, shut it already" but thats about it...

Indeed...

[thecoalman]

I would say if you've ever logged into vcdhelp.com you'd be an elder...

I got here during the DVDhelp era, does that count. Probaly not many around from VCDhelp days.

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To answer the OP I really bash neither however Movie Make is not a very suitable product for creating DVD Video. Add to that the fact it can be quite confusing to newbies with the way it set up, specifically the DV-AVI options being buried and it wanting to convert to "highest quality" WMV which is substantially lower quality than DV-AVI...

I think the big difference between the "I hate MM" crowd and the I hate "Windows" crowd is that you can't offer a better alternative. Not trying to start a OS war neither, the fact is there is nothing that is compatible with the amount of devices and has anywhere near the software library available. Until that point all OS's will take a back seat to Windows.

[Conquest10]

Probaly not many around from VCDhelp days.

Ah yes, those were the good old days. Back then DVD burners were ridiculously expensive so (x)VCDs were a much better option.

[Noahtuck]

Probaly not many around from VCDhelp days.

Ah yes, those were the good old days. Back then DVD burners were ridiculously expensive so (x)VCDs were a much better option.

Even back then cd burners were pretty pricey

[Xylob the Destroyer]

I fondly remember vcdhelp.com....
I was a regular lurker back then. Never actually joined the forums here until the videohelp days though.

[SquirrelDip]

thecoalman and Noahtuck : Yep, 'yer elders... Guess I thought videohelp.com was around longer.

[Noahtuck]

thecoalman and Noahtuck : Yep, 'yer elders... Guess I thought videohelp.com was around longer.

If i remember correctly, vcdhelp, or whatever it was called back then, started in 2000 ?

[SquirrelDip]

I don't recall - suppose Baldrick would have to post a brief history...

I recall finding VideoHelp in about 2000 and lurked for a couple of years before joining. It was the first forum I joined...

[Supreme2k]

I think that I joined back when it was cuniformhelp.com

[Webster]

Probaly not many around from VCDhelp days.

Ah yes, those was the good old days...
What ever happen to "Stinky" ???
I know "Next" is still hanging around in the the DVR forum...

[Xylob the Destroyer]

2000 is about the time I stumbled across this place as well.

[gadgetguy]

I just checked my old IE Favorite link. It still points to VCDHelp.com.

[MeDiCo_BrUjO]

I was here since vcdhelp.com!, lurked for a couple of years then I finally registered....

... I still have some of my first vcd's!!!

Yep, those were the good ol' days!