question about java download

[jimdagys]

I have fresh install Windows xp service pack 2 and I went to the Control Panel Installed Programs and found 2 Java programs (each about 100mb) and deleted them. I then went to a website that required a Java plugin and it took about 5 minutes to download the Java plugin. Then I went to the control panel and noticed that there was 1 installed Java program about 100mb. My question is this: I have a relatively slow internet connection. There is no way I can download 100mb of data in 5 minutes. Why does the Control Panel Installed Programs show the Java
program to be so large (about 100mb)?

[Baldrick]

It maybe includes the java runtimes in the actual size? Just the java application is usually not that big.

[Poppa_Meth]

Yep the full JRE package is over 100MB installed. You probably just have the the browser plugins now.

[stars]

Have you checked if the web browser has the java function enabeled ?

The jre package online is about 7.5MB and offline 17MB

But installed as the other says about 100MB

stars...

[JohnnyMalaria]

The installed size is the size of all the files etc after they have been unpacked. 100MB in the Add/Remove Programs listing doesn't mean it requires a 100MB download (thankfully).

Sometimes the value listed isn't accurate either. I have a couple of things that claim to be 4095GB!!! (No, not Vista....)

BTW, until recently, MS provided their own JRE equivalent as part of the OS. Legal issues with Sun required that MS no longer provide their own and now you need Sun's own.

On my Vista system, the installed size of JRE is nearly 400MB. Seems rather a lot to me.

[rotten apple]

Not sure if this is relevant OR NEWS (certainly was to me) but anyways...

Was inspired to another "major" deJunk /slim down of most used primary (on fastest outer HDD edge) C drive (multi - tasking, OS and programes only) couple of weeks ago. You know to stop the (eventual) related increase in seek times and contributing to (eventual) increased potential defrag time ( and the rumoured link to potential risk of Drive overuse) Turned over lots of stones( eg Docs + Setting,(CProgram folder) and was especially shocked by the total size of ALL the java updates collected over years (?) i'm sure it was like nearly 1GB in total ( by comparison the whole drive is around 15GB in used space ( as opposed to 30GB total current capacity) and thats with the owner being a (non - gamer) program addict/ horder) and the Java list on remove/add programs was like a bad history lesson.

Not long after saw something like this at Java site Q + A page;

http://java.com/en/download/faq/5000070400.xml

Basically only likely to need lastest update and i just assumed the older ones would be removed + replaced automatically if necessary like the majority of software - WRONG! - Should you delete an older version and later find it is required they can still be obtained from archive;

http://java.sun.com/products/archive/


So the remaining Java6 update 2 has resulted in a 90% decrease in the original size of the software meaning 5% decrease in total C drive USED space from 1 programme alone ......

[RLT69]

BTW, until recently, MS provided their own JRE equivalent as part of the OS. Legal issues with Sun required that MS no longer provide their own and now you need Sun's own.

The legal issue was over the JVM. In the beginning other OS manufacturers were allowed to develop JVMs for their particular OS, following Sun's specifications; Microsoft for Windows, Apple for Classic OS (8/9), Sun for Solaris. Then Microsoft started to "enhance" the JVM they developed in clear violation of the agreement with Sun. The upshot was if you developed a Java app on Windows using Microsoft's JVM there would be no guarantee that it would run on other platforms. Sun sued Microsoft. Microsoft was not allowed to develop their own JVM anymore. However, Microsoft WAS NOT forbidden from including Sun's JRE - necessary to run Java Apps - with Windows. Microsoft made the decision not to include Sun's JRE.

FYI Shortly after Microsoft was stopped from developing a Windows JVM, .NET and C# appeared; a complete Java rip off. :P

[Poppa_Meth]

I always uninstall previous versions before installing the new version. They say you don't have to but they just keep on piling up with no benefit if you don't. JRE 6 Update 3 is out BTW.