Youtube Upload, increase quality/control (HQ hack obsolete)

[F.R.3.3.D.O.M]

Thx for posting this tut 45tripp! I have been able to upload high quality vids now on youtube with no problems.

Here are some of my vids i have already done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGfkYaC8fuc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSGPsnYD4IE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM6Yc1fGgkc

Also if anyone is having problems with there vids skipping frames in mencoder i found a way to get rid of that problem.

Here is the vid on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIH9DWRee-0

[superzombie23]

Since a new page was just made, making another post about this. HOw is the quality SO high on this YT video w/o a duration hack
http://youtube.com/watch?v=35yH1e0YdEc Also, can't seek ahead of the loading portion for some reason.

I think this question I'm posing has been unanswered and asked a few times already in this thread. Someone please give an explanation about non-duration hacking with HQ videos.

Edit: strangely, it looks lower quality than I perceived it to be yesterday lmao... weird.

[ricardouk]

Superzombie you can get good quality videos without the hack, theres not much action in it anyway, also animation is more compressible for what i heard here.

We can get good quality videos by maintaining the bitrate under 350, just need the right tools and a good source video.

seeking ahead does work here

heres an example:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gwGcCEW0wII

the bitrate is if i remember correctly under 340

[superzombie23]

O.k... well all I think what he did after doing some tests was use flv with a very high bitrate >.>... oh well w/e.

[satl]

I downloaded Avanti, but I don't have the "Flash" video option under "Codec" in the Destination Video settings. Just Demux video, mpeg1, mpeg2, mpeg4, XviD, etc... How do I get the "Flash" video option?

Thanks!

[anthony111]

hew ricardouk, what software did you use to make your video high quality without the duration hack.

[superzombie23]

hew ricardouk, what software did you use to make your video high quality without the duration hack.

I'm pretty sure he used Automen GUI, which is the same as mencoder; he mentioned it earlier. Anyhow, it's very easy to get a non-duration hack HQ video. It just really depends on the source. I can easily make anime look HQ with sub 350 bitrate.

Here is are 2 versions of a video that you can compare.

Actually I think i uploaded the low quality with 350+ bitrate, but it's the same result as uploading it sub 350 -.-

Low quality (no duration hack): http://youtube.com/watch?v=W2LCxseX-14
High quality (duration hack): http://youtube.com/watch?v=d18A5iFR7RU

You can definitely see a big difference when they're side by side. The duration hack version is much more defined and clearer than the non-duration hack. However, that's anime... I'm sure a different type of source means a bigger difference. My point is that the LQ version isn't too bad compared to the HQ. I'd rather have a non-cheating duration so people aren't confused. FOr now, i'm trying to make the LQ higher lol.

I'm testing to see if it's even worth the trouble of uploading a video with sub 350 bitrate b/c the results are probably going to look the same as uploading a 350+ bitrate video w/o a duration hack.

[45tripp]

Thx for posting this tut 45tripp!

you're welcome

I downloaded Avanti, but I don't have the "Flash" video option under "Codec" in the Destination Video settings. Just Demux video, mpeg1, mpeg2, mpeg4, XviD, etc... How do I get the "Flash" video option?

load the "uni_flash_hq" template and it will auto-register the flash codec.

I'm testing to see if it's even worth the trouble of uploading a video with sub 350 bitrate b/c the results are probably going to look the same as uploading a 350+ bitrate video w/o a duration hack.

it's not the same. at the very least you know what you'll have online before uploading.
it's worth it.

tripp

[hypnoticpimp]

how can u convert mtv.com videos? cause i downloaded there flv, but when u upload to youtube they get alll messed up,

[hypnoticpimp]

also 45trippp whats your youtube account

[superzombie23]

Strangely, the duration hack stopped working for all the videos I've tried to upload today. If I hex edit 11 mins, it goes right back to its old time when it appears on youtube. This is weird.

[Vulcan55]

I wanted to do this really bad, but even though I followed all the steps, the video duration remains unchanged and the video quality is crap. I guess the same is happening to that guy. ^^^
do you know if there is something that can be done to make it work, or is this a permanent "fix" by youtube?

[superzombie23]

I wanted to do this really bad, but even though I followed all the steps, the video duration remains unchanged and the video quality is crap. I guess the same is happening to that guy. ^^^
do you know if there is something that can be done to make it work, or is this a permanent "fix" by youtube?

It's possible that in their last maintenance, they made youtube smarter. I can't believe they did that ;-; I'm not that tech savy to find out a new way of doing things like this.

[TheMaestro1]

Yeah, they fixed it. It's recoding everything I throw at it, even when I try to reupload previous hex edited videos that uploaded before w/o being encoded.

[ricardouk]

hew ricardouk, what software did you use to make your video high quality without the duration hack.

Hi Anthony, i use Automen.

heres how i do it, i will use the iron man tv spot.
heres the avisynth script:

Video = DirectShowSource("C:\test\iron_man.avi", convertfps=true, audio=false)
Audio = DirectShowSource("C:\test\iron_man.avi", video=false).Normalize()
AudioDub(Video, Audio)
ConvertToYV12
AddBorders(0,44,0,44)
Lanczos4Resize(320,240)

and here's the configuration screenshots:




here you can find the video with a bitrate of 345k:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b19isy_3Ivg

[ricardouk]

Yeah, they fixed it. It's recoding everything I throw at it, even when I try to reupload previous hex edited videos that uploaded before w/o being encoded.

i havent seen anything being recoded here, i tested it with some different bitrates (345, 332 etc), i guess its only for videos above 350

Low quality (no duration hack): http://youtube.com/watch?v=W2LCxseX-14

i knew anime was better "compressible", but didnt expect that , that is a good quality video.

[reez]

hi thanks so much for the help. But i have a few problems. Sometimes when i try to encode a 480p,720p,1080p HD quicktime movie using Winff...it doesn't go. The command box opens and then closes, it doesn't happen with EVERY HD video..just a few. Plus i'm unable to get the 16:9 aspect ration with winff...i tried everything, it ends up as 16:9 but youtube stretches it to 4:3..although after clicking the resize button on the player it shrinks to 16:9. But i've seen others actually get the black bars with out youtube stretching it. Pleases explain how to do this. Again thanks for all your help.

[reez]

oh damn did they fix it????...i dont seem to be able to do it anymore

[zoobie]

if youtoob is displaying 4:3, you'll have to put your widescreen into a 4:3 container to display porportionately via black bars. an art video may get away with letting youtoob stretch 16:9 to 4:3 but with standard video, it will appear distorted.

I tried to remove a little viewed video there and it thru an error...maybe start a thread on how to get video OFF youboob...heh heh

PS - I'm wondering why youtoob would pull the plug if you're uploading under 350kbps...hmm

1 of these places was considering ads to display before the video...so your production would be sponsored by some corporate conglomerate whether you liked it or not...

[reez]

if youtoob is displaying 4:3, you'll have to put your widescreen into a 4:3 container to display porportionately via black bars. an art video may get away with letting youtoob stretch 16:9 to 4:3 but with standard video, it will appear distorted.

I tried to remove a little viewed video there and it thru an error...maybe start a thread on how to get video OFF youboob...heh heh

you mean DOWNLOAD A YOUTUBE VIDEO?..there are so many ways..use keepvid.com

[zoobie]

eh? download a amateur youtoob video? I'm a little busy now creating a production...

actually, the most viewed videos are, ironically, CBS News clips...or so I read

[bayme]

We can get good quality videos by maintaining the bitrate under 350, just need the right tools and a good source video.

There are two main points, in my opinion, to achieve the maximum.
- Lower the framerate to as low as you think is acceptable. 21 fps is fine for most videos with movement, for example. Many are even OK with 15 to 18 frames/sec.
- Use a VBR mp3 audio stream, use the lame encoder for it, use 22 kHz samplerate, and if not acceptable 44.1 kHz. Go with a bitrate that ends up with ~90 kbit/s, which will do for most stereo-video sources.

Also, the recent mencoder engine ends up giving higher quality than ffmpeg's. Many tools use ffmpeg for FLV. I've been testing them side by side a lot the last couple of months, and mencoder clearly wins from ffmpeg, except on high framerate targets. With mencoder you get best results using lower framerates (24 or below).

[bayme]

Yeah, they fixed it. It's recoding everything I throw at it, even when I try to reupload previous hex edited videos that uploaded before w/o being encoded.

i havent seen anything being recoded here, i tested it with some different bitrates (345, 332 etc), i guess its only for videos above 350

Didn't notice much different yet. Uploaded one of actual 380 kbit/s hexed it to 349 and it got through on feb. 3rd. But they've been offline just after that "for maintenance", so maybe now it's changed. I need to check myself.

[reez]

not 3rd, NOW..TODAY they changed it..or last night actually

[TheMaestro1]

it looks like they are only recoding the hex edited videos I upload.

[bayme]

it looks like they are only recoding the hex edited videos I upload.

Have you tried lowering to 330 kbit/s hexedited? (Also see my message from january 28th in this thread)
How large are the files you uploaded that got re-encoded?
(trying to find the next loophole in their check-methods here..)
If they did 'fix' it, they must be using an advanced new method using its filesize, maybe total framecount or actually load the video in a server-based virtual player to do checks on it.

[cinetech]

it looks like they are only recoding the hex edited videos I upload.

That's right, YT seems to be implementing a more strict FLV file check.
However, I've uploaded a < 350Kbps stereo FLV file and it worked.

[ricardouk]

...Plus i'm unable to get the 16:9 aspect ration with winff...i tried everything, it ends up as 16:9 but youtube stretches it to 4:3..although after clicking the resize button on the player it shrinks to 16:9. But i've seen others actually get the black bars with out youtube stretching it. Pleases explain how to do this. Again thanks for all your help.

here´s how i add black bars to 4:3 to get the 16:9 aspect:

since im not that "fluent" with making avisynth scripts i use AVS2DVD to make the script for me and then edit the script by replacing 720x576 by 320x240.

here's a screenshot, hope it helps:


the final avisynth script becomes this:
i removed the reference to dgpulldown and the last line about converting the audio to 48000

Video = DirectShowSource("C:\test\iron_man.avi", convertfps=true, audio=false)
Audio = DirectShowSource("C:\test\iron_man.avi", video=false).Normalize()
AudioDub(Video, Audio)
ConvertToYV12
AddBorders(0,44,0,44)
Lanczos4Resize(320,240)

[reez]

THANKS SOOOO MUCH RIC YOU"RE AWESOME

[ricardouk]

Thanks reez

just passing on the knowledge i've learned here

to avoid any confusions as i remember videohelp had a "report piracy" section...the iron man.avi in the screenshot is the iron man tv spot .... just in case someone reports this....