Youtube Upload, increase quality/control (HQ hack obsolete)

[frifox]

Bet those Youtube nerds are reading this and laughing at us

and i'm laughing because i'm moving on to something better than youtube

i'm also laughing, because from what i've seen, it seems that they just gave up and decided to convert all FLV's we upload... we win 8)

[Veeroos]

and i'm laughing because i'm moving on to something better than youtube

DailyMotion maybe?

[frifox]

doesnt have to be DailyMotion... Vimeo is good as too

[rajman]

doesnt have to be DailyMotion... Vimeo is good as too

Yehh me too...finally I will be putting my Vimeo account to good use

[harmster]

IMEEM also useful...

[frifox]

thats if AUDIO is your primary goal...

[gforce23]

Guys, just remember - you cannot upload any gaming videos as mentioned in Vimeo's latest blog post:
http://vimeo.com/blog:140

EDIT: Btw, are the copyright police on Vimeo worse than Youtube? I know Frifox was maintaining a "do not upload" list on his YT page but has anyone got any idea about Vimeo or Dailymotion?

Edit #2:
Started my new account on Vimeo with a classic trance track.
http://vimeo.com/1385695
Anyhow, I'll continue uploading MP4 vids to the tube and probably add an annotation that directs viewers to the respective Vimeo page.

[man4ever]

hey anyone know where can i download imutube v2.1?

[djspaceport]

Can anyone tell me... WHY did youtube did that? For example a properly made HQ music video can buffer faster than the same video converted to LQ by youtube. Why they didn't keep at least video uploads under 350kbs?

[dissociative]

what the hell it has been time since I havent uploaded more videos to youtube, but today I was going to upload a slideshow made by my from my own lossless media in x264 lossless + flac muxed in mkv, for testing I uploaded the first teen seconds of the slideshow in matroska container and the upload failed to convert wtf I feel so angry arrrgh this couldnt have been worse than before

[Assault]

Matroska doesn't work for Youtube I'm pretty sure. Try saving the x264/FLAC in a .avi container and upload that.

[dissociative]

Matroska doesn't work for Youtube I'm pretty sure. Try saving the x264/FLAC in a .avi container and upload that.

well I remember that I uploaded like 3 or more matroska files some time ago and they didnt failed to convert. like now, the only thing that was different in this upload is the framerate, it's at 1fps instead of the normal 25fps or 29.97fps

[Assault]

Why is it only at 1fps? And alot of things have changed about Youtube. =/

I'd suggest you just encode it to x264/FLAC or whatever else using VirtualDub, you can set the FPS to 1 there and it'll be in a .avi container for you.

[dissociative]

Why is it only at 1fps? And alot of things have changed about Youtube. =/

I'd suggest you just encode it to x264/FLAC or whatever else using VirtualDub, you can set the FPS to 1 there and it'll be in a .avi container for you.

I reuploaded the same test at 25 fps and didnt failed to convert, though youtube sound compressor used with AAC really seems to screw the sound quality

[Assault]

It's best to just upload it in stereo, since bypass tricks don't work anymore what I'd suggest is this;

Encode your audio to 320 kbps Stereo MPEG Layer-3 in Virtualdub, and set your video FPS to 60 with a very high resolution image. Pick x264 on single pass lossless, and save it. Open the .avi file it makes in MediaInfo, and see if the Overall Bitrate is 900+. That way, when you upload it to YouTube, it'll have a "Watch in High Quality" button after an hour or so.

[niconicolife]

Probably,there is no more possibility to upload HQ video to YT. I read this forum carefully and I succeeded to upload no-re encoded files by YT for the last a couple of weeks. I just say thanks you all guys who thought methods.

[dissociative]

It's best to just upload it in stereo, since bypass tricks don't work anymore what I'd suggest is this;

Encode your audio to 320 kbps Stereo MPEG Layer-3 in Virtualdub, and set your video FPS to 60 with a very high resolution image. Pick x264 on single pass lossless, and save it. Open the .avi file it makes in MediaInfo, and see if the Overall Bitrate is 900+. That way, when you upload it to YouTube, it'll have a "Watch in High Quality" button after an hour or so.

I uploaded the clip in stereo and the "watch in high quality" was inmediatly available, it's just a 10 seconds clip..

Video: x264 lossless 480x360 @25fps
audio: flac 1.2.1 stereo 44100Hz

I dont know if using a telecine framrate will also work...

[gforce23]

It's best to just upload it in stereo, since bypass tricks don't work anymore what I'd suggest is this;

Encode your audio to 320 kbps Stereo MPEG Layer-3 in Virtualdub, and set your video FPS to 60 with a very high resolution image. Pick x264 on single pass lossless, and save it. Open the .avi file it makes in MediaInfo, and see if the Overall Bitrate is 900+. That way, when you upload it to YouTube, it'll have a "Watch in High Quality" button after an hour or so.

There's no need to go through all that hoopla, if all that you want is a simple "watch in HQ" link. For anyone using Sony Vegas, render in MP4 with 320k/44100Hz AAC audio and CBR:300kbps/res:640x480 video. The total bitrate must be >600kbps. The 'watch in HQ' link becomes available in less than a minute or two.
That said, however, the so-called "high quality" Youtube render still sounds crap.

Edit: Rather than re-encode the audio file to 320kbps using VDub, a simpler option would be to set the audio render in Vegas to 320k. That way, the audio gets re-encoded automatically.

[101ers]

again, H264 is only a video codec, not a method.

since the methods we used to keep our FLV's in their original format got blocked, H263/MP3 or H264/AAC are not possible anymore...

frifox lets grab some beer since you are right about your intuition. Soooo youtube did remove .flv format now huh.

[Assault]

gforce23, I was talking about if you have a video file, which it seems he does because he's talking about .mkv files and muxing. What I said is pretty much the exact same as you except your AAC is pointless since it gets downgraded to stereo, >800 kbps yields best results but 900 is to be safe. No point in having the "watch in high quality" if that button won't be higher than the original.

[gforce23]

gforce23, I was talking about if you have a video file, which it seems he does because he's talking about .mkv files and muxing. What I said is pretty much the exact same as you except your AAC is pointless since it gets downgraded to stereo, >800 kbps yields best results but 900 is to be safe. No point in having the "watch in high quality" if that button won't be higher than the original.

What you just said is correct, but I'm not too sure if Youtube has different encoder settings based on different video bit rates. If I'm not mistaken, the HQ YT render of your source file would have the same file properties as a render of my source file. If that's the case, why waste time rendering a source file with higher bit rates?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[venomite]

Those "quiet Spectators".....wouldn't be surprised if anyone of you were youtube staff...

[calikokat]

doesnt have to be DailyMotion... Vimeo is good as too

Yehh me too...finally I will be putting my Vimeo account to good use

I play piano and have been putting up stereo videos to youtube since last year ummm January.video quality was never important but sound was.Digital piano sounds really bad in mono.But its an uphill struggle to keep the stereo at youtube.I started using Vimeo last week.It is great except for 2 things. First.I can upload the same piano piece up at you tube and get a 3000 hits in 1 week.Then take the same video and upload it to Vimeo amd Im lucky to get 17 hits.
The other downside to Vimeo is it limits how much you can upload each week.
Otherwise Vimeo is great !!! I get greatt stereo sound.I upload my original files with no problems and can get back to playing piano which is what i really want to do instead of playing around with hex editing

[Spartacomp]

Can anyone tell me... WHY did youtube did that? For example a properly made HQ music video can buffer faster than the same video converted to LQ by youtube. Why they didn't keep at least video uploads under 350kbs?

It's all about mindset. YouTube wants to deliver (force) their idea of what high quality should be and how you should get it. That's what happens to companies if there's not too much competition around. They basically can implement all kinds of silly ideas until a competitor with much better and sane options forces them to review their inefficient businessplan.

YouTube doesn't want to deliver HQ stereo videos without you pushing that HQ button. And for pushing that button, YouTube doesn't want to deliver any resolution higher than 480x360. No matter what the customer thinks of that, because they really don't care (for now). That's all.

As it seems, YT still allows HQ stereo flv files to be viewed in 480x360 and in stereo. But you have to push the button for it (if it arrives after several hours) or add &fmt=18

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlXKL1Me0Wc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlXKL1Me0Wc&fmt=18

Being a musician, I need to be able to present my work properly. With YouTube as it is right now, I am not able to do that and I will not do that in the way they want to force people to do it. (just as they forced their new player onto them) It's absolutely NO service at all and it displays utter contempt to the customer. But that's just YouTube and it's pathetic arrogance. (and they will regret it very soon) I don't like that degenerative mindset, I despise it. Therefore I need to look for other options and perhaps Vimeo is something for me.

[manono]

As it seems, YT still allows HQ stereo flv files to be viewed in 480x360 and in stereo. But you have to push the button for it (if it arrives after several hours) or add &fmt=18

Your first link is the standard H.263/FLV and the second is the HQ H.264/MP4. I guess you know they both play with bad aspect ratio.

I'm getting mine with the HQ option with no problem (480x360 FLV). Maybe you just have to wait a bit.

[calikokat]

Oh...after last nights maintainance at Youtube is there any way left to upload in stereo if video quality does not matter or is the party over

[Spartacomp]

As it seems, YT still allows HQ stereo flv files to be viewed in 480x360 and in stereo. But you have to push the button for it (if it arrives after several hours) or add &fmt=18

Your first link is the standard H.263/FLV and the second is the HQ H.264/MP4. I guess you know they both play with bad aspect ratio.

I'm getting mine with the HQ option with no problem (480x360 FLV). Maybe you just have to wait a bit.

Yeah I know it's awful. That's what YT wants. I don't care if that button comes or not, because that will never be an option for me. It's ridiculous anyway to have your customers waiting for up to several hours for a button to appear. I temporarely placed that videopart on YT as an example of the low YT standards and as an example that YT doesn't reject flv's as was mentioned earlier on this thread. (a wise man only needs a half word to get the picture )

[djblast123]

doesnt have to be DailyMotion... Vimeo is good as too

Yehh me too...finally I will be putting my Vimeo account to good use

Ive tried vimeo it´s good but they deleted my Gears of war Assault footage trailer after a few hours.

[virtualgamesco]

^ Vimeo has three problems:

1. Extremely strict copyright policies.
2. You must have a premium account to upload HD videos.
3. You're limited to a certain amount of video uploading a week.

I don't know, I'll give it a try (there's bound to be some hacks we can use on Vimeo!), but I doubt they'll please me as much as YouTube did.

[Spartacomp]

^ Vimeo has three problems:

1. Extremely strict copyright policies.
2. You must have a premium account to upload HD videos.
3. You're limited to a certain amount of video uploading a week.

I don't know, I'll give it a try (there's bound to be some hacks we can use on Vimeo!), but I doubt they'll please me as much as YouTube did.

But if you have a premium account you have no upload limit, right? The extreme copyright policy is PERFECT for a musician, so for me that's not a problem at all.

Edit: Man, go to www.vimeo.com and play the first video you see, the HQ and stereo is OUTSTANDING!!

Edit2 (from Vimeo site!! ):
But wait, it can't really be HD… can it?
Yes! It’s real, true, actual high definition. No tricks. Some other sites (we won’t name names - no we won't YouTube) and even a few major media producers have been offering low resolution video as “HD” just because it’s slightly higher (read: 480x360 LOL!!) than the quality typically seen on video sharing web sites, hoping you won’t notice. Don’t be fooled, Vimeo HD is true 1280×720, up to 24fps.

Edit3: and for FREE the upload limit is still 500Mb a week!! That's MORE than enough for me!! Absolutely fantastic!!