Blocking 971.871.056 million IPs and HTTP

[fLYtRap]

I found this really cool software that blocks all kinds of IPs include:

ads, educational, government, P2P, spyware and much more

and its free

Its a little though on everything, I can hardly get on eBay when its enabled. Unbelievable how much crapware eBay have bundled in their software

PeerGuardian2 from http://phoenixlabs.org/

[Dv8ted2]

What on earth are you talking about? Ebay does not distribute software. It is an auction website, and you are getting paranoid. If you block that many Internet protocol addresses, it is bound to have bad effects.

Please leave information security to the people qualified to teach people about security.

[CrayonEater]

Ebay, along with Paypal, do a heavy amount of processing through Doubleclick (now part of Google), including, apparently, logons and identity info. You may see redirects or images loading from ebayobjects.com or paypalobjects.com - a simple IP trace will show those are run by Doubleclick (in most cases; not all the networks Doubleclick runs on have rWHOIS, but it's still Doubleclick). Ebay and Paypal, as well as some other major e-tailers, have a long history of using data-vacuuming practices. With Doubleclick being the largest online ad/tracking service, now in the process of combining with Google, the largest data-warehousing service in existence, the combination of these two giants forming into one could have dire consequences for online privacy and security. So fLYtRap's concerns are understandable, even if he stated his case erroneously. Frankly, I find blocking Google/Doubleclick's ads/trackers to be of much higher priority than any other security procedure you can take, except for using a browser other than Internet Explorer; THAT's how omnipresent Google/Doubleclick is on the internet.

FYI, I personally use the HOSTS file and the Kerio Personal Firewall filters from http://www.geocities.com/yosponge (Sponge's Security Site). I find these to be less restrictive than the far-reaching filter lists that come with Peerguardian, and they block just about every ad service and almost all spyware, whereas PG is designed to tackle anti-P2P sites as well. The PG anti-spyware lists are apparently based, at least in part if not entirely, on his blocklists. However, I understand that Sponge is developing a blocklist for Peerguardian too, but I'm not exactly sure how he's going to distribute it, since PG uses lists drawn primarily from the phoenixlab's site. To be frank, I think that tiny little HOSTS file is the most effective line of defense against intrusive tracking services like Doubleclick/Google, and PG makes a good backup.

[fLYtRap]

If you have eBay account than do this: set all your cookies to ask and log on to your account. eBay set around 10 cookies just to log on and those include advertisement and tracking cookies. So when I have PG2 enabled it takes about 5-10 minutes to log on. Here on this forum takes only seconds after you put in your password. I've been watching PG2 log window while logging onto eBay and I saw bunch of different IPs that tried to log on as well. As soon as I disable PG2 eBay immediately connected. What do you think that means - coincidence? I don't think so. I got about 20 cookies from eBay and only 4 from here. Why would I need 20 cookies to store my id and password???

They do not only have doubleclick and ebayobjects in them but whole bunch of tracking devices

[fLYtRap]

Yes HOSTS I just updated them today I've got whole bunch right now and I'll take some more from what SpywareBlaster left in my registry. I think PG2 does pretty good job, especially that it is in developing stage. Its been only few hours since I wrote this post and already I have 1.5 million IPs added, can you believe this Like I said when am trying to connect to a web site like ebay, google or whois with PG2 on it takes forever to do so.

[Marvingj]

PeerGuardian2 is a first class IP Blocker for Torrent not Ebay.... If you need to block your ID for Porno etc. you need a Anonynous Software......

[fLYtRap]

PeerGuardian2 is a first class IP Blocker for Torrent not Ebay.... If you need to block your ID for Porno etc. you need a Anonynous Software......

I did not get PG2 to block anyone in particular, it was just an example of how this software works.

I am simply using anything I can lay my hands on to protect my privacy.

[fLYtRap]

FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T HAVE FIREFOX

[fLYtRap]

HOW ABOUT THIS ONE

[fLYtRap]

[mats.hogberg]

Well, most modern web server applications use cookies to at least keep session state, so to block cookies is not such a good idea. The really paranoid should stay off the Internet alltogether, to protect their privacy.

/Mats

[JohnnyMalaria]

YesLike I said when am trying to connect to a web site like ebay, google or whois with PG2 on it takes forever to do so.

Is this with your six layers of firewalls? I never have a problem with the speed of connecting to the above sites and that is on a non-broadband link. I have an AV, firewall and antispyware running.

Session cookies are benign and, as their name suggests, persist only for the session. Once you close the browser, they're gone.

A site like this one uses session cookies to keep tabs on, well, your session. Things like Latest Posts, posting a reply (it has to remember somehow where to go after you have replied). This site uses a persistent cookie named vcdhelpforum_data to permit you to be automatically logged in. (See C:\Documents and Settings\<your ID>\Cookies.)

I have 2805 persistent cookies on this particular PC, dating back to January 2006. I'm not worried about any of them.

You are w-a-y too paranoid and/or have something very significant to hide, plus going overboard by installing too much software that is hurting your system more than the session cookies you are trying to block.

[fLYtRap]

YesLike I said when am trying to connect to a web site like ebay, google or whois with PG2 on it takes forever to do so.

Is this with your six layers of firewalls? I never have a problem with the speed of connecting to the above sites and that is on a non-broadband link. I have an AV, firewall and antispyware running.

Session cookies are benign and, as their name suggests, persist only for the session. Once you close the browser, they're gone.

A site like this one uses session cookies to keep tabs on, well, your session. Things like Latest Posts, posting a reply (it has to remember somehow where to go after you have replied). This site uses a persistent cookie named vcdhelpforum_data to permit you to be automatically logged in. (See C:\Documents and Settings\<your ID>\Cookies.)

I have 2805 persistent cookies on this particular PC, dating back to January 2006. I'm not worried about any of them.

You are w-a-y too paranoid and/or have something very significant to hide, plus going overboard by installing too much software that is hurting your system more than the session cookies you are trying to block.

Dude your quote doesn't make any sense, because you have no clue what am talking about

Get the program, install it, see how it works and than post your comments.

As for cookies I know how they works, I only wanted to show it to those members that don't have Firefox.

Pay attention and don't mix 2 different objects in one answer.

[lordsmurf]

I use Firefox to block crap. AdBlock lets you block frames, scripts, etc. That's after Kerio strips out some junk too.

[JohnnyMalaria]

Get the program, install it, see how it works and than post your comments.

But I have no need for it.....

[Dv8ted2]

YesLike I said when am trying to connect to a web site like ebay, google or whois with PG2 on it takes forever to do so.

Is this with your six layers of firewalls? I never have a problem with the speed of connecting to the above sites and that is on a non-broadband link. I have an AV, firewall and antispyware running.

Session cookies are benign and, as their name suggests, persist only for the session. Once you close the browser, they're gone.

A site like this one uses session cookies to keep tabs on, well, your session. Things like Latest Posts, posting a reply (it has to remember somehow where to go after you have replied). This site uses a persistent cookie named vcdhelpforum_data to permit you to be automatically logged in. (See C:\Documents and Settings\<your ID>\Cookies.)

I have 2805 persistent cookies on this particular PC, dating back to January 2006. I'm not worried about any of them.

You are w-a-y too paranoid and/or have something very significant to hide, plus going overboard by installing too much software that is hurting your system more than the session cookies you are trying to block.

Dude your quote doesn't make any sense, because you have no clue what am talking about

Get the program, install it, see how it works and than post your comments.

As for cookies I know how they works, I only wanted to show it to those members that don't have Firefox.

Pay attention and don't mix 2 different objects in one answer.

Do you do IT work for a living? I am just curious.

You have given awfully bad advice.

[fLYtRap]

OK, lets see if I can explain

Ebay cooperates with doubleclik right? OK

Doubleclick post their add on eBay web site right? OK

PeerGuardian2 blocks doubleclik right? OK

I can't connect to eBay when doubleclik is blocked, right? OK

[JohnnyMalaria]

I'm confused. You want to use eBay but anonymously. If you buy something on eBay (which is its raison d'etre), you have to provide personal information way beyond that stored by a cookie.

FYI, I have one persistent cookie for eBay, one for ebayobjects.com and one for doubleclick.

I tried blocking doubleclick and I could still log in to eBay. Just a bunch of unnecessary images disappeared. Something ain't right at your end....

[fLYtRap]

You are confused indeed, you misunderstood me completely. I never said that I want to either block eBay or buy/sell anonymously. It was just an example. I have compared this forum to eBay, I said that I have 20 cookies from eBay and only 4 from here.

Now let me ask you this, do you run PG2 = NO, so it will not be the same as it is for me. If it would be possible I'd record a video to explain this to you.

Look at this screen shot here, which shows that IPs are blocked. With this option enable like it is right now I simply can't freely move around eBay. This have nothing to do with my connection speed which is BTW 4K d/l. In order for me to connect normally to eBay I have to disable this option.

Do you understand



This little software blocks doubleclik IP number which they use to post their adds on eBay.
So if their IP is blocked it is almost the same like eBay IP would be blocked, but is it not, its just makes it harder to connect. eBay do not have one IP number like you and me, they have several numbers, and those include doubleclik IP.

Update:

unless am wrong with my thinking and someone can explain this better or otherwise...

[JohnnyMalaria]

Are they persistent or session?

No need to answer - I'm leaving this post since it is extremely painful to understand what point(s) you are trying to make.

(But there's still something wrong if you can't access eBay when doubleclick cookies are disabled.)

[Dv8ted2]

OK, lets see if I can explain

Ebay cooperates with doubleclik right? OK

Doubleclick post their add on eBay web site right? OK

PeerGuardian2 blocks doubleclik right? OK

I can't connect to eBay when doubleclik is blocked, right? OK

This in no way constitutes a program. You have got websites confused with programs when you said that ebay distributes programs.

There is no need to block that many IP addresses. If you were in business, you would be cutting your user base. This is not a very good way to run a business. Some of those IP addresses may be proxy servers, in which case you may be further shooting yourself in the foot.

I was taking it easy on you at first, but I am an information security specialist and you are way out of your league.

The obvious answer would be to not block the doubleclick cookie. If the ads bother you, get adblock for firefox and use it. I am tired of you giving bad advice. You made yourself look bad when you did not believe you should run an antivirus program and then found out that you were infected.

To be reasonably safe, you should use a security policy. Training employees on acceptable use is very important. Deploy an IDS, using layered defenses, antispyware and antivirus programs are also important.

[fLYtRap]

There is no need to block that many IP addresses. If you were in business, you would be cutting your user base. This is not a very good way to run a business. Some of those IP addresses may be proxy servers, in which case you may be further shooting yourself in the foot.

I don't block those IPs myself, they are on PG2 list that is all.

Now lets get something str8, this is a discussion forum and everyone have the same rights to say what they think, this is what makes a forum interesting place. If everyone would say the same than no one would be here.

You are a security expert and I am security yellow and I am simply trying to learn something.

[zoobie]

The only program ebay distributes is their free Turbolister.