Got a DVD plays correct, copies correct but refuses to write on a blank DVD

[cemman]

I have a DVD movie. It plays fine. I want to use it in an installation that the whole thing will burn up in the end. I want to be able to do it again, obviously.
So I tried to disc copy with Nero it copies but when the burning time comes it gives an error and it ejects the blank disc. I have successfully recorded with the same blank dvd with the same dvd writer so this is just applies to this particular disc, which is a DVD+R but the blank is DVD-R which shouldn't be a problem, I think... But this gets weird. With DVD Decrypter I copied d on to disk and then try to burn it the same problem. I demuxed it DVD Decrypter and than muxed back again without extras and stuff but still nothing changed. I lost the menu and just demuxed main files and re-muxed together, still nada. I am buffed, can't figure it out why? Anybody?

Ps. I also tried with ImgBurn which resulted with the same ending: Failure...

[TooLFooL]

what error are you getting, and what brand of discs are you using?

[RabidDog]

I want to use it in an installation that the whole thing will burn up in the end. I want to be able to do it again, obviously.

What ?? what ?? Art or computers?? I dont understand??

[cemman]

I just successfully burned it on a DVD+R disc! Does this mean DVD+R material will not burn on to DVD-R disc? Wow! Even if it's re-constructed... Well this is still a mystery to me. Is my assumption correct?

[TooLFooL]

no it sholdn't be a problem copying a +r to a -r, especially considering the different methods you tried. perhaps your burner just doesn't like the type of -r discs you were using?

[cemman]

perhaps your burner just doesn't like the type of -r discs

Actually I have used the same batch of DVD w/o any problem.
And my driver doesn't have any restrictions. Would Nero had something to do with it I wonder...

[TooLFooL]

Would Nero had something to do with it I wonder...

possibly, but you stated you also tried dvd decrypter, and even tried a demux/remux of the dvd, with no luck.. this is very strange

[cemman]

Someone told me that they had the same problem and in Nero error log (she said in interface somewhere but I think maybe she meant error log)
it says something about 'you cannot copy +R to -R...
That's one fact and if it's true (I couldn't burn with ImgBurn as well), than all the demuxing and remuxing doesn't even change that fact either.
I made a healthy simple DVD compliant file set. It acts as if any DVD, yet because it was originated from a cursed version it insisted that it should stays in my HD.

[Bjs]

Demuxing and remuxing of title, done correctly , will never cause such an issue to appear ... it remains media related .

As you say

I have a DVD movie

You sure its not a dvd+r dl ? ... it will be over 4.3gig if it is .

You didnt say much about the disc , which makes me wonder , where it may have originated from ... as nero wont touch a dvd that is copy protected .

[TooLFooL]

Someone told me that they had the same problem and in Nero error log (she said in interface somewhere but I think maybe she meant error log)
it says something about 'you cannot copy +R to -R...
That's one fact and if it's true (I couldn't burn with ImgBurn as well), than all the demuxing and remuxing doesn't even change that fact either.
I made a healthy simple DVD compliant file set. It acts as if any DVD, yet because it was originated from a cursed version it insisted that it should stays in my HD.

this is nonsense.. first, you can copy a +R to -R and a -R to +R. second, if you say nero, imgburn, and a demux/remux/burn ALL have failed you, this is not a problem with any individual method. exactly what error are YOU getting when you burn?

[hech54]

it says something about 'you cannot copy +R to -R...
That's one fact and if it's true

It's NOT true....you've already been told that it is NOT true.

You have two choices here.
1) Provide MUCH more information to us than you already have.
2) Read many many guides here on Videohelp.com on subjects
like ripping, transcoding, removing unwanted material from discs,
factory pressed discs, copy protections, dual layer discs etc etc etc.

I realize that English is your second language but you really need
to pay attention to what people are asking you. What they are asking you is VERY
important....they've asked you several times...and you have not answered.
Just like they have told you several times that copying +R to -R is NOT an issue
or your problem.

[gll99]

If you had said the opposite I might conditionally lean your way.

I once burned a DVD-R disc but did not have a safety backup. A long time later I decided I had better make a backup but I used a +R. My 2 burners kept telling me, disc after disc that it was too small for the data. I then tried an older 2x -R and it worked. I had packed all kinds of software, pdf, txt files and other stuff and maxed out the -R. That little bit of extra space on the -R made all the difference. This has never happened again because I don't pack my discs like that but this was in the early days when discs were still expensive and I tried to squeeze as much as possible out of a disc.

Aside from the case I stated, as was said, this idea of not copying + to - or vis versa is totally bogus Post the whole Nero log if you want this taken seriously. You've obviously misread something. You never did specifically answer what the exact message is from Nero at the time it ejects.

If you were using the same disc all the time then it never wrote to the disc or possibly it did write some info the first time and then failed but when you tried to use it again it didn't have enough room. Use DVDinfo and post a pic of the specs of the original -R you tried. Also In Nero check the disc info of the same -R and take a screen shot of that and post it.

[cemman]

I realize that English is your second language but you really need
to pay attention to what people are asking you. What they are asking you is VERY
important....

I thank you all for trying help and elaborating on my little problem here. I am grateful for it. But I don't think I liked the condescending way of communicating there. It's patronizing and uncalled for. You should reserve that tone for adolescent and ignorant people. I don't think you realize what you subliminally telling me!
If you do, well then right back at you.

You didn't say much about the disc , which makes me wonder , where it may have originated from

It is an original work. Therefore it never had a copy protection. And yes I am sure it isn't a +R dl disc. It's barely 4G.

Nero gave me several errors. All for the same dvd but different sessions. I did not had time to reproduce the error logs at the time. Since then I tried twice
and got two error logs yet one of them too long and I don't know which part to extract to make sense to you guys but the shorter one is more descriptive so I will copy paste just before the error part...

The only thing that confusing here is that I did successfully copied the dvd when I used a '+R' blank disc. Same driver, same Nero and the same set of files.
So that's where I am at... Here is the portion of the smaller log. Also remind you that it gave different errors for the same job.

If you were using the same disc all the time then...

Well, no. I used different dvd each time and only one of them had some data written on it.

Use DVDinfo and post a pic of the specs of the original -R you tried

I am not sure what do you mean by the original -R. The original dvd was +R. I attempted to copy an +R dvd on a blanc -R, eventually I managed to copy it on a +R dvd.

I don't have the first original +R dvd anymore but I have a copy so I should try to copy that one (which is a +R dvd) and see what happens and then I'll post those results. I am sure you don't want the info on the blanc -R, do you?

Again thank you all for bearing with me here and for all the help to figure this out. And obviously it is not the end of the frickin' world, just proper curiosity for the elementary, you know...

04:18:29 #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 9096
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Media Type: 0, Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 2.0x (5), Extended Part Version: 2.1 (33)
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26127F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h (LBN: FFFD0000 h, 4193920 MB)
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Start sector number of the current Border-Out: 2FE10 h
Start sector number of the next Border-In: 2FFA0 h
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 60 00 10 20 30 40 50 - 00 00 00 21 00 00 00 00 .`...0@P...!....
00 02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

04:18:38 #26 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1230
04:18:38.500 - D: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7543A : Queue again later

04:19:05 #27 SPTI -1106 File SCSIPassThrough.cpp, Line 291
D: CdRom0: SCSIStatus(x02) WinError(0) NeroError(-1106)
Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
Sense Code: 0x73
Sense Qual: 0x03
CDB Data: 0x2A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00 00 00
Sense Area: 0x70 00 03 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 73 03
Buffer x00000000: Len x10000
0x00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0x00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0x00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00

04:19:05 #28 CDR -1106 File Writer.cpp, Line 302
Power calibration error
D: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7543A

04:19:05 #29 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

04:19:05 #30 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 223
conversion idle, stopping reader

04:19:05 #31 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 3337
EndDAO: Last written address was -1

04:19:05 #32 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1730
Burn process failed at 8x (11.080 KB/s)

[VegasBud]

cemman,

The "power calibration error" in the log you posted means that the drive was unable to find a laser power level that would work for the media you were using. It has nothing to do with the source material you're trying to burn, and nothing to do with + versus - formats. The problem is entirely connected to the interaction of the drive and the media.

The drive itself could be the problem, but since the drive is working fine with other media, the problem must be the media you're using.

I am sure you don't want the info on the blanc -R, do you?

It might help, but at this point, it's academic whether it's poor quality media, or just incompatible with the drive. Either way, it's the same solution, use different -R disks. In the long run, you're better off using good quality media.

To give you all the possibilities...in theory, out of date firmware could also produce that error, but the sonynec-optiarc website says there is no updated firmware available for your drive, which gives you the same solution...use different (better) media.

[Bjs]

One other thought would be to replace the ide cable , just on the off chance there's an issue with communication between drive and pc .

Without considering the media used , if the unit has done alot of work , and you can see dust in the tray , it might want a decent clean ... If you have burnt well over 500 disc's , and use it for every other daily duty , such as playback of dvd's , music cds , and games , then it might be time to replace the unit , before it gose south for good .

It seems really screwy somewhere that you cant do one thing , yet accomplish it another way ... and to those blanks , which will still dont have a clue as to what you are using ... yet ?

What other programs do you have installed that are capable of burning to dvd ? ... Some can cause the weirdest of issues , conflicts .

Did nero's copy feature or dvddecrypter , have an issue with sector reading during the copying of the original disc to iso ?

[cemman]

Thank you guys. I guess evidently maybe I am a bit adolescent. (But then, I can make fun of myself, I'm Jewish

The media I am using is Memorex 16x DVD-R 4.7GB. The driver it self is quite new I haven't burned more than 40-50 discs with it yet. I don't have many burners just Nero, ImgBurn and InfraRecorder. Nor Nero neither DVD Decrypter had an issue with sector reading during the copying of the original disc to iso.

On the sonynec-optiarc website they have a recommended media list and Memorex is not in it, but I think that's just because they would want to push stuff and as long as you are not pushing your luck with no-name' alike medias it should be OK. Unless Memorex is a big joke it self, I thought I was covered there but you never know...

Out of least 20-25 Memorex discs I used, I never had any calibration problems or any other type errors with it. In fact just ten minutes ago I burned a disc for a friend.
Hopefully in next couple of days I will try to copy the +R disc again and will post the results. I'm very behind with a deadline I had, so I barely had time to respond you guys.
I wonder what would you see in the long Nero error message? I am hesitating to paste it here since I don't want to clutter the space here but I made a quick site http://www.freewebs.com/cemman/nero.htm I thought giving a link for that stupid error log would be better. That way people don't have to struggle with it unless they wanted to.
Later

[VegasBud]

cemman,

The short log and the long log have two different reasons for failure.

As far as the short log goes, in my opinion the "Power Calibration Error" was caused by poor media. The package may say Memorex, but thanks to the longer log, we now know that the media is really:

[20:02:39] DVDEngine Disc Manufacturer: CMC MA - G. AM3

The "Media Specific" field on the long log matches the one in the log fragment you posted earlier in this thread, so the same CMC media was in use for both the logs. At nomorecoasters.com, that media is rated as 4th class (not good). You can use this page at nomorecoasters to help you pick some better media, and your "short log" problem should go away.

Out of least 20-25 Memorex discs I used, I never had any calibration problems or any other type errors with it.

Unfortunately, just because a burn completes without error messages doesn't mean it's a good burn. Even the worst media periodically produces a borderline usable disk. Good media, on the other hand, consistently and reliably produces a high quality result...burn after burn after burn. Personally, I would consider any CMC burn to be questionable (at best).

The long log has a different problem, as indicated by these three excerpts from the log:

[18:05:43] NeroVision Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
[18:05:43] NeroVision Last address to be written: 2599759 (577:43.34, 5077MB)

17 minutes later there's this:

[18:22:59] NeroVision Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
[18:22:59] NeroVision Last address to be written: 2599759 (577:43.34, 5077MB)

40 minutes after that:

[20:02:39] DVDEngine Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45, 4489MB)
[20:02:39] DVDEngine Last address to be written: -1 ( 0:00.-1, 0MB)

The first two are certainly logical...you can't put 5077 MB on a 4489 MB disk. I'm not sure why nero didn't pick up on the obvious error condition in the third entry, but it went ahead with the burn which failed when the data area was 99.96% full and it attempted to write another 352 blocks(sectors), which would have brought it up to 99.98% full. Technically, I suppose that makes it a media error, but based on the first two entries, I have a feeling that the source material was still more than could fit on a SL disk, and even if the burn kept going, it was going to fail anyways when it tried to go past 100%.

Ironically, the ultimate "long log" problem was the data was too "long" to fit on the disk. You need to either reduce the size by about 20%, or use DL media.

Obviously the same material wouldn't burn to a +R disk either, since as gll99 pointed out, a +R disk has a wee bit less capacity than a -R disk, so it's unclear how you got a +R burn to work. The only reasonable answer is that a much smaller amount of data was burned to the +R.