Vcd + data simple project

[wilsoncortez]

That´s my first post here so
Hi all

After a "little search" around forum I did not find an answer, so...here goes my question:

I´m trying to burn a vcd + data cd using nero 7.
I used the nero´s "VCD" option and on the "video track" dragged my mpeg movie and on the "data" track i´ve dropped all my other stuff ( exe, html, etc) together with the pre-created vcd´s folders.

All the burning process runs smooth with no erros but I can´t view the movie on a domestic dvd player. Only the PC files work as expected.

Any tip or a nice tuto?

Any help will be appreciated

Thanks in advance,

Wilson

PS. I hope you understand my 'broken" english

[mats.hogberg]

Welcome to VideoHelp!

If you tell Nero to create a VCD (which you should avoid, as Nero will surely butcher it) you shouldn't add "pre-created vcd´s folders" if you by that mean VCD, MPEGAV, CDDA, SEGMENT & cetera. That's what the authoring app (Nero in this case) should create.
I advice you use VCDEasy to author your VCD. IIRC, it has an option to add ISO files (in addition to the std VCD content).

/Mats

[jagabo]

Do you know for certain that your DVD player plays VCD? Not all do.

[wilsoncortez]

Hi Mats

Thanks for your reply.

you shouldn't add "pre-created vcd´s folders" if you by that mean VCD, MPEGAV, CDDA, SEGMENT & cetera. That's what the authoring app (Nero in this case) should create.

Sorry, i guess I could not explain myself. I did not create the folders, the app (nero) did . I´ve just drooped all my data files there.

I advice you use VCDEasy to author your VCD. IIRC, it has an option to add ISO files (in addition to the std VCD content).

I already tried that NICE app but it gaves me a warning regardig some long and redundant files names found at the "data" part of the cd

So, I´m kind of lost. It´s easy when we know the how to....

[mats.hogberg]

Well, ISO is rather limited when it comes to file names. I still advise you use VCDEasy - I almost gave up all video business altogether as a nOOb, as I was trying to make my first VCDs with Nero, and never succeded.
If VCDEasy only warns, you can go ahead, but if it refuse to accept long file names - just make 'em shorter. (8.3)

/Mats

[wilsoncortez]

Now VCDEasy gaves me that error:

"Creation of the VideoCD as disc image execution failed:
Too many files/directories in the iso 9660 part of the VideoCd
(A videoCD has a small TOC for the iso 9660 files).

Thank you Mats for your time

@jagabo

yes it plays vcd´s

[AlanHK]

Too many files/directories in the iso 9660 part of the VideoCd
(A videoCD has a small TOC for the iso 9660 files).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9660#Restrictions

Level 1 : File names are restricted to eight characters with a three-character extension, upper case letters, numbers and underscore; maximum depth of directories is eight.
Level 2 : File names are not limited to 8.3 format, but may be up to the maximum allowed by the 1 byte counter in the dir entry and the filename length byte counter. Typically this is close to 180 characters depending on how many extended attributes are present.
Level 3 : Files allowed to be fragmented (mainly to allow packet writing, or incremental CD recording).

Other name restrictions:
All levels restrict names to upper case letters, digits, underscores ("_") and a dot. Linux converts uppercase letters to lower case while mounting ISO filesystems.
File name cannot start or end with dot.
File name cannot have more than one dot.
Directory names cannot use dots at all.

Directory depth limit:
The restrictions on filename length and directory depth (to 8 levels including the main directory)

Limit of number of directories
There is a structure in the ISO image called "path table". For each file in the image the path table provides identifier of its parent directory. The problem is, that the directory identifier is a 16-bit number, which restricts the number of directories to 65535.

[wilsoncortez]

Hi AlanK

Level 2 : File names are not limited to 8.3 format, but may be up to the maximum allowed by the 1 byte counter in the dir entry and the filename length byte counter. Typically this is close to 180 characters depending on how many extended attributes are present.

That´s OK

All levels restrict names to upper case letters, digits, underscores ("_") and a dot. Linux converts uppercase letters to lower case while mounting ISO filesystems.
File name cannot start or end with dot.
File name cannot have more than one dot.
Directory names cannot use dots at all.

That´s OK

Directory depth limit:
The restrictions on filename length and directory depth (to 8 levels including the main directory)

Limit of number of directories
There is a structure in the ISO image called "path table". For each file in the image the path table provides identifier of its parent directory. The problem is, that the directory identifier is a 16-bit number, which restricts the number of directories to 65535.

That´s ok too, my root is has 1.525 files on 24 folders and the "deeper" one is about 3 folders down to the root.

Damn, what I´m doing wrong???

[mats.hogberg]

This is probably the clue:

(A videoCD has a small TOC for the iso 9660 files).

It's simply too many files.

/Mats

[jagabo]

Put your files in a folder?

[EddyH]

coo, now there's something that a lot of us probably didn't know before.

just how many files were you trying to put on there, for our reference?

also yes, it might help to folder them up, as a folder full of files effectively looks like a single file to the filesystem owing to how the whole thing developed, and root directories typically don't have much space for lots of files (size irrelevant, only number); VCD must have even less given that error!

Also, I used to use Nero quite happily, up to v5.5.10.4, for making my simpler chuck-together VCDs, as it wouldn't mess with ready-encoded files, made a reasonable fist of it's own encoding, and could do high-rez menus/stillframes, etc (VCDEasy for the complex stuff, though).
However I've only tried to make one VCD with Nero 7 and it's been quite a disappointment. Low rez menus, terrible (and seemingly non-compliant - 880/192kbit...) encoding quality, and though i can't be sure or remember, i think it re-encoded my premade (compliant!) MPG1 test vids. If you really must use it, i'd suggest getting hold of an older version cheaply.

(perhaps Nerovision 4 might make a decent VCD? haven't tried it, only DVDs..)

[wilsoncortez]

Well guys
Goooooooood news

Finally i did it using VCDEasy and here follows some diference settings from my first try:

1. In the "Main" tab:

VideoCD type = VCD 2.0 (in the previous was 1.1)

2. in the "Options" tab:

Support (VCD 1.1/VCD 2.0)
Checked both "Default CD-i Application and "Use the CD-i Configuration file

3. on the "ISO Files"
Checked "ISO Level 2 Allowed (lower cases and long filename.

That´s It

Here follows a screenshot of my file structure spotted on the iso tab



The wierd part of the task: i did not change any letter of my files and the iso warning spotted on my previous post just gone (thank god)

Thank you all for your attention and BTW what a nice community you have here.

Congrats

PS: after a downgrade, I´ve tried to do the same with Nero 6.6.1.4 but no success at all

Ah! almost forgetting....there is a way of achieving a kind of "autorun" on the domestic dvd player? On my project i must click on "start" to run the movie.

[EddyH]

yay well done!

ps try nero 5 if possible... it doesn't do dual layer and a couple other things, but traditional CD stuff is possibly a bit improved, including VCD.

yes, it's possible to autostart, particularly with VCDEasy (once you start playing with the control settings, you can be there hours if it's a complex set of titles... a couple minutes if you only have two or three). if you only have one video and don't mind losing FFWD/REW control, you can turn off program control either using the remote or somewhere in the disc making or playing process, can't remember the details though.

[Cornucopia]

It's possible to add [AUTORUN] inf file, etc. in the ISO/data portion of the VCDEasy setup, but that only helps with computer playback.

Playback on settops is TOTALLY machine firmware dependent--some do autoplay VCDs, some don't (disregarding PBC "item reject=false" firstplay which might help it somewhat).

wilsoncortez, your success might be due to the difference in allowable item support between v1.1 and v2.0 of the VCD spec (that or bumping up to ISO level2).

Scott