VideoHelp Forum

Our website is made possible by displaying online advertisements to our visitors. Consider supporting us by disable your adblocker or Try ConvertXtoDVD and convert all your movies to DVD. Free trial ! :)
+ Reply to Thread
Results 1 to 28 of 28
Thread
  1. hello,

    VCR such as JVC HR-S9911U, HR-S9800U with built in
    TBC are very difficult to buy now. so will I get the same result
    if I use an ordinary S-VHS VCR by Panasonic and an external
    TBC to restore old VHS tapes ?

    thanks
    Quote Quote  
  2. A external TBC is a different animal that one in the JVC. The one in the JVC can fix certain things and a external can fix other problems. I use both.

    The other thing is that the JVC has other settings to improve playback quality.
    Quote Quote  
  3. Member Marvingj's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Death Valley, Bomb-Bay
    Search Comp PM
    Just check Ebay every now and then, they always have JVC SVHS VCR on sale. Never know you may luck up and find the one your looking for. But JVC still sales the SR-V101US.
    http://www.absolutevisionvideo.com

    BLUE SKY, BLACK DEATH!!
    Quote Quote  
  4. do a saved search on Ebay, look at these, if you have only say 100 tapes to convert, consider a GOOD combo. The panasonic DMR-e45 series has very good reviews.

    Having spent years converting vhs to dvd, I have come to a conclusion, achieving perfection needs to be a time judgement, be careful not to get caught up in it.

    Do you wish to simply archive valuable material or achieve the best picture quality which will take months to learn and do?
    PAL/NTSC problem solver.
    USED TO BE A UK Equipment owner., NOW FINISHED WITH VHS CONVERSIONS-THANKS
    Quote Quote  
  5. Video Restorer lordsmurf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    dFAQ.us/lordsmurf
    Search Comp PM
    Here: http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=483729

    Problem solved.

    That is the most recent JVC S-VHS machine, after the 9000 and 7000 series were discontinued. They're also very good machines. I have a preference to a 9000 line unit, but I also own a SR-V10U as a backup.
    Quote Quote  
  6. Preservationist davideck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    USA
    Search Comp PM
    I prefer capturing with my older JVC 6800 (without TBC/DNR) than with my 7600 or 9600 because it provides a slightly more detailed image without any DNR artifacts. The same may be true of your Panasonic, particularly if the tapes were recorded on that machine.

    A lot depends upon the condition of the tapes and the capture setup. DVD Recorders have a built in TBC/Frame Synchronizer. Are you capturing with a DVD Recorder? Do your captures look jittery and/or noisy with the Panasonic?
    Life is better when you focus on the signals instead of the noise.
    Quote Quote  
  7. Thanks for the advice
    Quote Quote  
  8. Preservationist davideck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    USA
    Search Comp PM
    Your images appear to suffer from tracking error and/or RF dropout. Can you improve or move the marginal areas by adjusting the tracking control on the VCR? If so, then a different VCR might help. If not, then the defects may be embedded on tape.

    An external TBC won't restore the marginal areas. It might even makes things worse.
    Life is better when you focus on the signals instead of the noise.
    Quote Quote  
  9. The tracking is now adjusted to the best picture possible. When I adjust the tracking the noisy lines move up and down and become worse.

    What do you mean by "marginal areas"......is it the black areas at the sides ? If so....no, they don't move on tracking. (I think the VCR has only Vertical Tracking).

    Thus, will it be useful to buy a better quality VCR ? The one that is now played on is a low-end Thomson 2-head VCR.

    BTW, one other question, is Audio-Out via composite into the Line-In of soundcard for capture, independent of NTSC, PAL, SECAM etc ? i.e. Is S-VHS for video only and audio has to be taken via composite ?
    Quote Quote  
  10. Preservationist davideck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    USA
    Search Comp PM
    The noisy lines are what I meant by "marginal areas".
    If the tracking is already optimized, and if your VCR plays other tapes just fine, then I would not expect too much improvement from another VCR. Nevertheless, I think it would be worthwhile trying the tape in any other VCR you might have access to just to be sure.

    Audio is separate from the S-Video connection and should be routed the same way as when using composite video.
    Life is better when you focus on the signals instead of the noise.
    Quote Quote  
  11. yes, I will try on some other VCR hoping for improvement since the tape is valuable to me.

    I found some good deals on both JVC 9600 and Panasonic AG-1980 series on ebay. Which do you think would give a better picture, the JVC or Panasonic ?
    Quote Quote  
  12. Preservationist davideck's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    USA
    Search Comp PM
    It's unfortunate that the video sample comparison links in the thread below are no longer valid. They were quite compelling.

    https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=287476
    Life is better when you focus on the signals instead of the noise.
    Quote Quote  
  13. PAL/NTSC problem solver.
    USED TO BE A UK Equipment owner., NOW FINISHED WITH VHS CONVERSIONS-THANKS
    Quote Quote  
  14. ok, I've ordered a Panasonic NV-HS1000 PAL (1994 model) from ebay.co.uk [ GBP 50 = $98 ]. JVC too difficult to get and seems most video guys (except Lord Smurf) are rooting for Panasonic !

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/S-VHS-PANASONIC-NVHS1000-TOP-OF-THE-RANGE-WAS-1000_W0QQitemZ1501...QQcmdZViewItem

    seems to have very good reviews, more recent model than AG-1980 (NTSC 1992 model) which is known as NV-FS200 for PAL versions.
    Quote Quote  
  15. Be interested how well you think it works when you get it,,my research said JVc or sharp.
    PAL/NTSC problem solver.
    USED TO BE A UK Equipment owner., NOW FINISHED WITH VHS CONVERSIONS-THANKS
    Quote Quote  
  16. yes, i'll let u know how that old tape plays on it, too bad i dont have a JVC also to compare it with.

    there is a mad rush for JVC compared to Panasonic, very hard to find JVC PAL versions.
    Quote Quote  
  17. Video Restorer lordsmurf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    dFAQ.us/lordsmurf
    Search Comp PM
    Originally Posted by abbymat
    there is a mad rush for JVC compared to Panasonic, very hard to find JVC PAL versions.
    Not as hard as you might think. Search ebay.de instead of ebay.com or ebay.co.uk. And then find somebody who will ship outside Germany, or find a friend that can ask/beg for non-Germany shipment. It works.
    Quote Quote  
  18. few of those on ebay.de speak english and most don't ship outside germany, thats why i had to buy on ebay.co.uk.
    Quote Quote  
  19. Video Restorer lordsmurf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    dFAQ.us/lordsmurf
    Search Comp PM
    That's why I said to find somebody who speaks German. If you have any friends/family in Germany, or just randomly know somebody online willing to help, you can use them as a proxy.

    If you really get after it, you can make these sorts of situations work for you. I've done it many times in the past.
    Quote Quote  
  20. Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    United States
    Search Comp PM
    Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    If you have any ideas...how would you compare this unit (or any comparable new series)
    to a 9800. (that I have)
    The Devil`s always.....in the Details!
    Quote Quote  
  21. Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    That's why I said to find somebody who speaks German. If you have any friends/family in Germany, or just randomly know somebody online willing to help, you can use them as a proxy.

    If you really get after it, you can make these sorts of situations work for you. I've done it many times in the past.
    yes its possible but needs a bit of effort. however, since the panasonic was readily available so cheaply with reviews equal to the jvcs, i decided to buy it.
    Quote Quote  
  22. Video Restorer lordsmurf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    dFAQ.us/lordsmurf
    Search Comp PM
    Originally Posted by vico1
    Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    If you have any ideas...how would you compare this unit (or any comparable new series)
    to a 9800. (that I have)
    The 9800 is better. Better made, more RAM in the TBC, etc. It's not leaps and bounds better, we're nitpicking.
    Quote Quote  
  23. Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2004
    Location
    United States
    Search Comp PM
    Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    Originally Posted by vico1
    If you have any ideas...how would you compare this unit (or any comparable new series)
    to a 9800. (that I have)
    The 9800 is better. Better made, more RAM in the TBC, etc.
    It's not leaps and bounds better, we're nitpicking.
    Thanks...I was guessing that the margin would not have been big.
    The Devil`s always.....in the Details!
    Quote Quote  
  24. Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    United States
    Search Comp PM
    The big difference is in the timescan audio quality and the tilting head which is not on the 101.
    The 101 does have some way cool industrial features.
    I will convert mine to camera use when I am through with it because of this.
    It is a great bargain for this use.
    The JVCs have more svhs-et than Panasonic and this is why they are in demand.
    There are some Panasonics with et but not many.
    I think a svhs machine will do a better job of playing vhs tapes but I am told this only applies to et machines.
    I have used machines that were clearly weighted to certain speeds, relating to the cost of the deck.
    You can record and play vhs in the Panas I have, but the non-et decks will not record svhs on the vhs tapes if you don't disable the tape sensor at the tape or deck.
    The digital buffer on the high end jvc can make a difference.
    I think some of the et Panasonics have this too.
    I have not used PAL though.

    The 101 offers a very long play speed and deck stacking, etc.

    The older JVCs are very sensitive when they wear.
    I would buy a new 101 before an older deck, unless it was very cheap.
    In fact, I bought a new 9800 and 101 recently.
    I still plan to get my 9500s rebuilt if hard drives don't replace them first.
    I have one of the last jvcs made with the old features-9911? maybe.
    I'll probably sell it.
    Quote Quote  
  25. while the noisy lines have decreased on switching on the TBC, they are still present.....so will adding an external Datavideo TBC help to eliminate them or are they embedded tape defects and nothing further can be done ?
    Quote Quote  
  26. Member StuR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Search Comp PM
    Hi abbymat, that last set of pics appear to be the same as the origonal pics. Did you mean to post before and after. If so it would be interesting to see them to compare the PQ improvement you mention. I've got the Pan NV-HS860 so I'm interested to see how other Pan's compare.
    Quote Quote  
  27. Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Location
    United States
    Search Comp PM
    Remember when checking eBay and the like that the GoVideo SDV-650 is a rebadged JVC HR-S9800U.
    Quote Quote  
  28. Member
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Australia
    Search Comp PM
    I have been reading the following links regarding the quality obtained using SVHS/S-Video for VHS to DVD conversion, and I am convinced that this is the way to go.

    https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=247084
    https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1676352
    https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=326313
    https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=325260
    https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=255539
    and many more.

    VHS/SVHS players with S-Video output are hard to find here in Melbourne Australia.

    Has anyone ever investigated the inside circuitry of VHSDVD Combo units and whether in the internal electronics, the luminance and chrominance are transferred separately (rather than composite) when a cassette is played and the DVD is recording?.

    The first link above says that all recordings i.e. VHS or SVHS tape happen with luminance and chrominance separated. I cannot think of a reason why the manufacturers would want to combine them internally, before sending it to be recorded on to the DVD.
    Now, assuming that they are kept separate, could we "trick" the unit by pretending to be recording from VHS to DVD (using a re-writable disc to avoid wasting discs); and while it is recording, connect our capture device using the S-Video output from the DVD out section of the unit ? This will give us the high quality S-Video signals that we are looking for.

    Thanks
    John
    Quote Quote  



Similar Threads