Can anyone help on this one please - Pioneer 110D

[mattiusb]

Strange one this. I have used Verbatim DVD+R 16x certified media for ages - no problem. Recently burns have appeared to burn & verify OK but when I try putiing the media back into the drive it says that the disc is blank. However it can't be as I'm unable to write to it again. Old disks written by this drive read fine. I uninstalled all the buring S/W on my pc. Problem still occured, ie. My Pioneer 1110D (Lastest F/W) will not read disks it had recently written to. If I open "My Computer" in windows with no dvd's in the drive then the label on both says "DVD-RW" (E) & "DVD-RW" (F) respectfully. However If I put one of the recently written to DVD's into Drive "F" which is an Asus 0402P/D then the drive reads the disk fine & The Disk label shows up in "My Computer " with the title of the disc changed to the current disc.If I remove the Disc & put in back into the Pioneer "E" Drive then then the drive spins up, the light flashes, then nothing. If I go to "My Computer" then look at the drive then I notice that the label had changed to "CD Drive" (E). If double click on this to open the DVD I get "E:\ is not accessible" & under that it says "Incorrect function". I have had the Pioneer for a year & have burnt DVD's most days - could it be worn out.
Also my Verbatim disks burnt on other people PC's seem to work!

Please can anyone give me any advise or help?

[psx_pirate]

go to control panel>system>harware ... click device manager ... uninstall the ide controller for the channel where the drive is connected ... reboot pc .... windows will detect the ide controller and reinstall it .... try readibg a disk in your 110d now

this may or may not solve the problem .... but in most cases it does

also try cleaning the laser lens on the 110d ... either by hand using a cotton bud (requires the drive to be removed from pc and the outer casing removed) or use a commercially available cd/dvd lens cleaning disk

[deckard8]

Exactly same problem here. Latest firmware, burned Verbatim DVD+r's wont read in burner - Verbatim DVD-r's are fine. The burned DVD+r's play fine on everything else except Pioneer burner.

[mattiusb]

I did as you said & I have three Primary IDE Channels, 3 Secondary Channels & 3 Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controllers! Is this right?



I tried to uninstall some but they came back upon reboot & one of them crashed my PC & I had to start with last known Config.

The following are the "Disk Quality Tests"
Disc: Verbatim 16x DVD+R

General Information
Drive: ASUS DRW-0402P/D
Firmware: 1.05
Disc: DVD+R (YUDEN000 T03)
Selected speed: Maximum
PI errors
Maximum: 121
Average: 45.96
Total: 16989
PI failures
Maximum: 2
Average: 0.13
Total: 40
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning statistics
Elapsed time: 0:53
Number of samples: 420
Average scanning interval: 8.00 ECC
Glitches removed: 0

The Pioneer Drive will not read this disc!

I have a MSI K9N4 MB
2 x IDE HD's
2 x DVD Writers
1 x SATA Drive

???????????

[mattiusb]

also try cleaning the laser lens on the 110d ... either by hand using a cotton bud (requires the drive to be removed from pc and the outer casing removed) or use a commercially available cd/dvd lens cleaning disk

Surely then if the lens was dirty then it would have a problem reading all disks?

I put one of the disks originally burnt on the problematic Pioneer & ran Nero's "Disk Quality Test" these were the results:-

General Information
Drive: ASUS DRW-0402P/D
Firmware: 1.05
Disc: DVD+R (YUDEN000 T03)
Selected speed: Maximum
PI errors
Maximum: 648
Average: 301.22
Total: 4875871
PI failures
Maximum: 26
Average: 3.33
Total: 44748
PO failures: n/a
Jitter: n/a
Scanning statistics
Elapsed time: 26:03
Number of samples: 17659
Average scanning interval: 8.00 ECC
Glitches removed: 0
I also did a speed test ona 8 month old disk I had recorded & got the following:-

[Richard_G]

I did as you said & I have three Primary IDE Channels, 3 Secondary Channels & 3 Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controllers! Is this right?

Err, No. It is also showing you as having 3 hard drives when you've said you have 2. It looks to me like the motherboard chipset drivers are screwed. Looking at the spec for your motherboard, it has 2 IDE ports, so you should have ONE Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller, ONE Primary IDE Channel and ONE Secondary IDE Channel and not three of each.

[mattiusb]

Re-installed Driver Disc that came with PC! I now get this:-



Which definately looks better to me???

I just burnt a new Verbatim 16 x DVD+R which burnt & verified OK but will not play in Pioneer Player. However if I put in in the Asus drive then it reads OK I then run "Nero's Transfer File Test" I get the following results:-

Transfer Rate Test


Disc Quality Test


Is problem Pioneer drive or are my device manager settings still wrong?

[Richard_G]

Device Manager settings now look as they should. Disc scans look as they should. Why the Pioneer won't read them though does indeed suggest that there is something not quite right with the drive. Mind you, as SVP (www.svp.co.uk) are now doing the Pioneer DVR112D for under twenty quid, you might as well change it anyway......

[OneSickPup]

My curiousity is getting the better of me. Could you use your ASUS drive and get a CD-DVD Speed <Disc Info> from an old dvd that is recognized in the Pio and then a newer one that does not recognize in your Pio for comparison sake? Here is an example of what I'm referring to:

[mattiusb]

I Put this DVD+R in the Pioneer & it read & does disc info!



I'll now do as you ask & put it in the Asus: -



I then insert a newer disk into the Pioneer the drive spins up, the light flashes, then an empty window opens saying "CD Drive" (E). If I go to "My Computer" then look at the drive then I notice that the label had changed to "CD Drive" (E). So I move the disc to the Asus Drive & do a disk info I get the following!



I tried a verbatim 16x from 2005 that reads OK on both drives. ???????????? Perhaps I have a bad batch of discs? I also just gave a friend a recently written Verbatim 16x DVD+R disc that won't read on either of my drives & he has no problem reading it??????????

[mattiusb]

I just went out & bought some Sony 16x DVD-R I burnt a disc on the Pioneer. It writes & reads them but the data below looks dodgy! When I burnt the Disk the drive seemed to keep revving up & it took a while to write the lead-in. Could this point to something?



I reckon I need a new drive???????

Although this looks OK (To Me!)

General Information

Operating System Windows XP Home Edition (5.01.2600 Service Pack 2)
Drive PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-110D
Firmware Version 1.41
Serial Number
Disc DVD-R
MID SONY16D1
Capacity 2.52 GB

Transfer Rate

Start 5.18x
End 10.04x
Average 7.87x
Type CAV



Seek Times

Random 104 ms
1/3 111 ms
Full 172 ms

CPU Usage

1X 6 %
2X 43 %
4X 25 %
8X 83 %

Interface

Burst Rate 38764 KB/sec

Spin Up/Down Times

Spin Up Time 0.01 sec
Spin Down Time 2.53 sec

Load/Eject Times

Load Time 18.08 sec
Eject Time 2.82 sec
Recognition Time 0.01 sec

Log


[19:43:59] Starting transfer rate test
[19:48:14] 4:15 Speed:5-10 X CAV (7.87 X average)
[19:48:14] Starting seek times test
[19:48:24] Random Seek: 104 ms
[19:48:36] 1/3 Seek: 111 ms
[19:48:53] 0:39 Full Seek: 172 ms
[19:48:53] Starting CPU usage test
[19:49:08] CPU usage at 1X: 6 %
[19:49:26] CPU usage at 2X: 43 %
[19:49:42] CPU usage at 4X: 25 %
[19:50:00] 1:07 CPU usage at 8X: 83 %
[19:50:00] Starting burst rate test
[19:50:02] 0:02 Interface burst rate: 38 MB/sec (38764 KB/sec)
[19:50:02] Starting spin-up/down test
[19:50:04] Spin-up time: 0.01 seconds
[19:50:17] 0:15 Spin-down time: 2.53 seconds
[19:50:17] Starting load/eject test
[19:50:20] Eject time: 2.82 seconds
[19:50:38] Load time: 18.08 seconds
[19:50:38] 0:21 Recognition time: 0.01 seconds

I then did the Disc Quality test using the Asus drive & got completely different readings:-

[mattiusb]

BUMP!

[mattiusb]

Getting really pi**ed with this one!! I bought a new Sony drive. Same problems. Tried some R/W's as well. 40% Mesro Qulity test. Loads of errors. Drive still will not read . Deleted ISED Controllers 7 let windows find then again. Still no luck. Have heard something about winaspi.dll? Do I need a newer version??

[psx_pirate]

Winxp does not require winaspi to read disks ... it has its own system (stpi) ... although its ok to install aspi drivers on xp its unlikely this will help with your problem .... you could try doing a repair of xp using the repair console on the xp installation disk to see if that fixes the problem ... or it might just be easier to do a complete new install ... i.e format hdd and load windows from scratch

[mattiusb]

Here's a burn of a D/L disc that I did on my Pioneer in Sept Loads of PI errors / Failures at the end!! Any ideas why???





HELP!!

[[_chef_]]

I just went out & bought some Sony 16x DVD-R I burnt a disc on the Pioneer. It writes & reads them but the data below looks dodgy! When I burnt the Disk the drive seemed to keep revving up & it took a while to write the lead-in. Could this point to something?

I reckon I need a new drive???????

NOPE.
You need a reliable drive for scanning!!!

[mattiusb]

]

I just went out & bought some Sony 16x DVD-R I burnt a disc on the Pioneer. It writes & reads them but the data below looks dodgy! When I burnt the Disk the drive seemed to keep revving up & it took a while to write the lead-in. Could this point to something?

I reckon I need a new drive???????

NOPE.
You need a reliable drive for scanning!!!

Surely that is a contradiction!

Nope - (I take it I don't need a new drive)
You need a reliable drive for scanning!!! ( I need a new drive???????)

Have also found out that some discs are not being finalized?????????

[slwtx2003]

I have a Sony DRU-810A DVD+-RW DL Drive and I have the exact same problem. Sometimes when I try to burn a disk, the drive will spin up to write the lead-in but then will not spin back up to write the data. This effectively ruining the disk, and causing it to make the drive read as CD-Drive when the disk is inserted to be read. Though my other Lite-ON dvd-rom drive reads the disk just fine, it will not read in a standalone dvd player. I did some tinkering, as in wasting a lot of disks, and found out that writing at 4x speed eliminates this strange malfunction in my drive. I do not understand it, but sometimes it will write at 16x just fine, and other times it does this weird thing. My only suggestion is to write at 4x or maybe even slower to get rid of your strange problem. Usually taking 20 minutes a piece instead of taking 4 minutes a piece is worth it if you arent wasting disks.

I tried updating my firmware to the latest and it did not do much. I had already, before visiting this forum, uninstalled my IDE controllers and rebooted and this had no effect as well. Being an A+ computer tech I have exhausted all possibilities that I could think of, short of taking the drive apart to clean the lens and test the motor, and I havent changed my problem at all. My only guess in my drive is that the algorithm designated to revving up the drive is flawed in some way. I can write at 4x because the drive does not need to spin as fast, but when it to write at 8-16x the drive does not want to rev up.

Anyway, I hope this helps you out with your drive problem. Though having to burn slower sucks, if it helps it helps! Can't change the programming or the motor inside a dvd drive, nor can you replace a faulty IDE controller, aside from getting a PCI based one. I will try to keep track of the forum for a bit to see if this helps at all.

[bevills1]

Try the drive in another system. If it works there, then the drive is okay, and there's a problem in your system. If the drive doesn't work in other system, then the drive is bad. Are the DVD drives connected to PCI IDE or to either primary or secondary IDE? In another thread I read most PCI IDEs were designed for hard drives and may cause problems if optical drives are connected to them. Try connecting DVD drives to primary or secondary IDE if not already connected there to see if that helps. FYI http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4099553 shows Pioneer DVR-710 (DVR-111) for $25 after rebate or $15 after rebate with Google checkout if you decide to replace the drive.

[budz]

I have a Sony DRU-810A DVD+-RW DL Drive and I have the exact same problem. Sometimes when I try to burn a disk, the drive will spin up to write the lead-in but then will not spin back up to write the data. This effectively ruining the disk, and causing it to make the drive read as CD-Drive when the disk is inserted to be read. Though my other Lite-ON dvd-rom drive reads the disk just fine, it will not read in a standalone dvd player. I did some tinkering, as in wasting a lot of disks, and found out that writing at 4x speed eliminates this strange malfunction in my drive. I do not understand it, but sometimes it will write at 16x just fine, and other times it does this weird thing. My only suggestion is to write at 4x or maybe even slower to get rid of your strange problem. Usually taking 20 minutes a piece instead of taking 4 minutes a piece is worth it if you arent wasting disks.

I tried updating my firmware to the latest and it did not do much. I had already, before visiting this forum, uninstalled my IDE controllers and rebooted and this had no effect as well. Being an A+ computer tech I have exhausted all possibilities that I could think of, short of taking the drive apart to clean the lens and test the motor, and I havent changed my problem at all. My only guess in my drive is that the algorithm designated to revving up the drive is flawed in some way. I can write at 4x because the drive does not need to spin as fast, but when it to write at 8-16x the drive does not want to rev up.

Anyway, I hope this helps you out with your drive problem. Though having to burn slower sucks, if it helps it helps! Can't change the programming or the motor inside a dvd drive, nor can you replace a faulty IDE controller, aside from getting a PCI based one. I will try to keep track of the forum for a bit to see if this helps at all.

Your SONY drive is a rebadged BENQ 1640. You can try crossflashing the drive to the official BENQ firmware to see if that helps. Here's some links you can read on crossflashing your drive. I've crossflashed many OEM rebadged BENQ 1620, 1640, 1650 & 1655 drives.

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=149980

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=138436

If you're looking to try a pci controller card get one that has the ite 8212 chipset. promise chipset controller cards will not work correctly with a dvd burner. you can also get one with the silicon image 680 chipset but in my experience the ite 8212 chipset is better for dvd burners. Last resort is to try your drive in another computer.

[slwtx2003]

I am not so inclined to attempt to flash programs onto my hardware if I am not 100% sure they will work. I am typically weary of flashing anything if the hardware does not tell me itself that it wants a flash upgrade. Or...if it comes with a program where I can check for upgrades automatically. My drive works, I just cannot write any higher than 4x when writing dvd's. I do not want to possibly kill my drive just to burn in 4 minutes instead of 13.

[budz]

I am not so inclined to attempt to flash programs onto my hardware if I am not 100% sure they will work. I am typically weary of flashing anything if the hardware does not tell me itself that it wants a flash upgrade. Or...if it comes with a program where I can check for upgrades automatically. My drive works, I just cannot write any higher than 4x when writing dvd's. I do not want to possibly kill my drive just to burn in 4 minutes instead of 13.

What brand of dvd media are you using? Find out the media id by using cd/dvd speed, dvdinfo pro or dvd identifier. Brand names mean nothing, it's the media id which will tell you what manufacturer makes the discs. If you haven't tried using VERBATIM or TAIYO YUDEN discs try it and see what happens. If you continue to have the same problems then it's time to buy a new dvd burner.

I've crossflashed many dvd burners and I'm just a hobbyist with computers and dvd burners. I've never had any failed flashing of hardware. So some researching at the BENQ FORUM at Cdfreaks.com you'll see how easy it is to crossflash your drive. IMHO SONY drives suck when it comes to firmware upgrades. Your rebadged BENQ 1640 would do better IMHO with the official BENQ firmware. BENQ always had frequent firmware upgrades to match the newer dvd media. Too bad LITEON bought out BENQ's optical division.

[slwtx2003]

What brand of dvd media are you using? Find out the media id by using cd/dvd speed, dvdinfo pro or dvd identifier. Brand names mean nothing, it's the media id which will tell you what manufacturer makes the discs. If you haven't tried using VERBATIM or TAIYO YUDEN discs try it and see what happens. If you continue to have the same problems then it's time to buy a new dvd burner.

I've crossflashed many dvd burners and I'm just a hobbyist with computers and dvd burners. I've never had any failed flashing of hardware. So some researching at the BENQ FORUM at Cdfreaks.com you'll see how easy it is to crossflash your drive. IMHO SONY drives suck when it comes to firmware upgrades. Your rebadged BENQ 1640 would do better IMHO with the official BENQ firmware. BENQ always had frequent firmware upgrades to match the newer dvd media. Too bad LITEON bought out BENQ's optical division.

I get an MCC 004 which if i have gathered my research correctly means it is a verbatim disk? The disk is a Playo disk

This is what I get for Media Info using DVDInfoPro :

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID MCC 004
Media Product Revision Number 00h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 16.0x 22160KBp
Available Write Descriptor CLV 16.0x 22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Linear Density Blank Disc
Track Density Unknown
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 .......MCC.....0
00000020 30 34 00 38 23 54 37 12 02 54 6C 02 92 5F 15 15 04.8#T7..Tl.._..
00000030 0B 0B 08 08 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 ................


And...when it comes to flashing anything, i was a bit modest i suppose. I do not usually hesitate to flash any drive or bios, so long as i am at least 99% on whether it is going to work or not. I just dont gamble with my hardware. Until i get those magic seeds to grow a computer hardware bush in my backyard, i will stick to flashing only when needed lol :P

With that said, I am pretty sure my media is crap. I got it at staples on sale. 180 dvd+r for 30 dollars after mail in rebate. lol I didnt care if half of them were crap, I was gettin getting 180 DVD's to play with! I was using a Teon dvd+r before but it was an 8x dvd and they never failed. I am fairly certain that the media is bad, but I only have 60 left and burning at 4x they never fail.

[bevills1]

What criteria do you use to determine when updates are needed, and has the Sony drive been updated with Sony firmware since you're hesitant to cross flash? I have a LiteOn external burner that wouldn't burn those same Playos with original firmware and created over 60% coasters with Verbatim 8x -R media. Firmware update on the LiteOn resulted in very good burns with no more coasters on all media tried including the cheap Playos. You may need a firmware update and not ever realize it. Also most drives can be back flashed to previous version if you're unhappy with current version.

Case in point that very LiteOn still wouldn't burn the Playos without making many coasters with latest firmware, but flash back to next latest firmware resulted in good burn results on Playos too. Failure to update firmware could be contributing to problems which may mean there's no help for your problem as long as you fail to take good advice offered.

[slwtx2003]

What criteria do you use to determine when updates are needed, and has the Sony drive been updated with Sony firmware since you're hesitant to cross flash? I have a LiteOn external burner that wouldn't burn those same Playos with original firmware and created over 60% coasters with Verbatim 8x -R media. Firmware update on the LiteOn resulted in very good burns with no more coasters on all media tried including the cheap Playos. You may need a firmware update and not ever realize it. Also most drives can be back flashed to previous version if you're unhappy with current version.

Case in point that very LiteOn still wouldn't burn the Playos without making many coasters with latest firmware, but flash back to next latest firmware resulted in good burn results on Playos too. Failure to update firmware could be contributing to problems which may mean there's no help for your problem as long as you fail to take good advice offered.

I should have already stated in a previous post that I am using the latest firmware. I updated it after probably the 3rd or 4th failed disk burn from like 1.0d to 1.0f. still a 1.0 version but i would assume that somewhere from b to f they did something different. reguardless of what the difference from b to f is, it did not solve my problem. I wont cross flash because it seems from reading the posts on it that it is dangerous, and like i've said already...it isnt worth ruining a drive to burn 4x faster.

and, first off, I see no point in back flashing it seeing as i did an update from d to f with no change at all in performance or "coaster" making. secondly, I would not have replied to the first post directed at my problem if I was not willing to "take good advice" that is offered to me. I am always willing to learn and as well always wanting to fix annoying quirks in my hardware. If you are not going to read all of my posts before assuming that I am just not paying attention...then I have no need for your critisism or assistance.

edit : (hidden deeply in my original post...or possibly the first line in the second paragraph. Same thing!)

Posted: Jun 11, 2007 11:50
I tried updating my firmware to the latest and it did not do much.

[Constant Gardener]

You've already replaced the IDE cable and cleaned the connectors on drive and motherboard? I've had problems with the cheaper 40-wire flat cables, never with the 80-wire or round ones.

[slwtx2003]

Indeed, a good follow-up question! I was not trying to infer that I had done everything suggested. Just that I was trying. This is a Crappy E-Machines computer that isnt mine. It is my dads. Though when I go to his place, I burn dvd's for him. I have no doubt that the IDE cables need replacing.

To be honest I just posted on this page so that the guy who originally posted could try slowing his speed down. I didnt read anywhere that he had tried different speeds than his max speed. This isnt a problem that any of us here ever cared to solve by having to spend money. Though IDE cables are not that expensive, and an option that I will probably try. Oh!!! and yes, i have cleaned the connectors already.

[bevills1]

It seems I got slwtx2003 posts confused with that of the OP who didn't say anything about firmware update, and I don't know if the OP resolved his problem since he's not posted after 4/2/07. Latest firmware isn't necessarily best firmware as evidenced by my LiteOn experience in my 6/12 post, and I'd try 1 or 2 other firmwares if I were in slwtx2003's circumstance. It may or may not be the solution, but it couldn't hurt to try it. BTW I also have a Sony DRU-120C which came with next to latest firmware with which it burns wonderfully, and I'll not update unless problems arise with current firmware.

[slwtx2003]

indeed, i agree. I won't upgrade firmware if my products are working like they are supposed to. though I think in my situation the IDE cables may need some upgrading. I have never cross-flashed anything and i'm a bit weary to try. ending up with a drive that doesnt work seems not worth it to gamble.

[bevills1]

According to post #52 at http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=220936&page=3&pp=25
it may be a media issue as it is with RitekP16 in that post. Other media may have similar results, and I'd just stick with better media if that's the cause.