Premiere Pro: Cross Dissolve transition problem.

[vid83]

I have Adoe Premiere Pro 1.5.
I am having trouble with the cross dissolve transition.
I had one whole clip that had in and out points placed in the clip in the timeline. I then extracted the section between the in and out points. Now there are two separate clips in the timeline. The problem is when I place a cross dissolve transition between the clips, the portion that was extracted shows up when the clip transitions. I tried using the trim button (ctrl+T) in the monitor window but this does not work. What do I need to do?

[kimco52]

I am not sure what you are trying to do. It sounds like you have a clip on the timeline that you want to take a section out of. When you say you extracted, that means to me that youtook the section between some markers and tried to export it to a different clip name.

Normally, you would put a clip in the preview window and mark the in and out points that you want and then move it to the timeline. It still stays in the preview window, also. If you want to then put a different section of that video on the timeline after the part you just put there, then put new in and out points on the clip in the preview window and then drag that to the timeline. It won't change the marks on the first one you put on the timeline. Then put the transition over where they meet.

If you have a large clip on the timeline that you want to remove a part of, go on the timeline where you want the start of the part you want removed and use the razor to cut it, go to the out point (start of what you want to keep on the second part) and cut it there. Then select that part you don't want and delete it. Then do a right click on the blank space and choose to fill the gap (everything to the right of the first cut moves left and fills the gap. Then put your transition there.

When you cut or delete or set in and out points, the place where you put a transition needs additional frames on each clip to allow for the transition. You need to make sure there is not a scene change during the transition on both clips.

[vid83]

Let me try to explain it better. I typed my question in a hurry this morning because I had to leave.

I will be explaing using as much "Premiere Pro Language", such as "extract", as possible.

I have a video in the project window. I drag the video from the project window to a sequence in the timeline. I place in and out points on the one clip. I then click extract from the monitor window (on the right). The one large clip in the timeline is now two clips. Next, I place a cross dissolve transition between the two clips (center at cut). I play the transition. However, when the the clip is transitioning from one clip to the other, the clip that was cut out by extract is visible. Why would it become visible if it was cut out? How do I prevent this?

[kimco52]

I think I know what you are trying to do. It is not the way I would have done it but that is OK. Part of working with Premiere is knowing that there are multiple ways of achieving things...some better than others. You almost have to use it full time to get good at using it to the full advantage.

You need to go back to what I said previously in the final paragraph. What I believe you are doing is not cutting (setting in and out points) at the correct spot to accomplish what you are doing.
If your transition is set to 1 second duration, you need to adjust your in and out points by that amount. When you set the in and out points, Premiere assumes that is where you want the cuts made. It then deletes the space in between and puts the two clips next to each other. If you then scrub across (or play) the timeline there, it will look as you intended it to look by the placement of the cuts. However, if you add a transition, it makes the center of the transition at the cutline. If you have a 1 second transition (default), the second clip will adjust by adding 15 frames to the head of the clip prior to the cut point. It will also add 15 frames beyond the cut point of the first clip. If there is video there you don't want in the transition, you need to adjust your in and out points by that amount....... put your in point 15 frames before you want out and put your out point 15 frames after you want in.

Premiere Pro uses one line editing. I liked the older Premiere 6.5 and earlier versions that used A-B editing. You put one clip on A and the next one on B..... cut the way you wanted them. You overlapped the two cuts by the amount of the transition you wanted and then you put the transition on the transition track between them. The transition time was automatically set to the amount of the overlap.

When you set in and out points on the timeline or a clip in the preview windows and then extract it, it does not physically cut anything. The actual clip remains intact. It only sets markers to the original file. Nothing physically happens to the clip. The marker locations are stored in the Premiere project file. That is why you appear to still have the extracted/deleted footage when doing a transition.

[vid83]

Thanks kimco52. I'll try that.

[vid83]

kimco52,
I have a question for when I use Premiere Pro in the future.
Does the following have the same effect?:
1.) Open clip in monitor window and add in and out points in the monitor and insert it into the timeline. Then go to another part of the clip, add in and out points, and add it to the timeline. <-- as mentioned in your reply to my original post.
2.) Drag clip to timeline, add in and out points, extract.

Will options #1 eliminate the transition problem?

[kimco52]

If you do #1, you don't need to do #2. You can repeat #1 on the same clip repeatedly and it won't affect anything you have on the timeline. Normally, the monitor on the right is what you have on the timeline. You put the preview monitor on the left and that is where you preview and set in and out points.

This will not eliminate the transition problem that you have because you still need to allow extra frames as I described. It also has nothing to do with Cross Dissolve transition, per se. The same effect will occur with any transition except the simple take. You don't really need to use the take transition as that is what happens when two clips are adjacent without a transition. That will happen at the cut line. You need to know what you want and eventually you don't think about it.... you just do it.

Save your project often.

[12Quidkidinnit]

I just tried the same thing with PP 1.5 and it does show parts of the clip which are not wanted. But I got it to look how I wanted by changing the transition so it starts at the cut, and it works fine like that.

In the first clip, you can just see a red car going past (transition centred), but in the second, where the transition starts at the cut, it doesn't show.

http://www.jiggyjigg.com/upload/files/9/te%201a%20centred%20wmv.wmv

http://www.jiggyjigg.com/upload/files/9/te%201a%20start%20at%20cut%20wmv.wmv

[kimco52]

I can see what you are saying.
OK. It looks like you still have not grasped the concept of in/out points, shifting them to allow for transitions, and the concept of the different types of edits. These concepts are explained in the manual (I know, who reads them?). The manual descriptions of the rolling, ripple, slip, and slide edits explains the concept in detail in allowing for transitions and how the different clips are used at the in/out/cut points. This has been consistent through Premiere from 4.2 - 6.5 and the Premiere Pros.....

There is also a good book out that you might find helpful...."Adobe Premiere Pro for Dummies". It is in the series of the Dummies books....the yellow/black cover books on almost everything. It also explains the different types of edits.

It appears to me that the passing car is on the second clip in the two segments you linked to. You cut the beginning of the clip to just after the car goes by. When you center the transition on the cut line, with a 1 second transition, it needs to add 15 frames (1 second = 30 frames) to the "left" of the cut line. It gets it from the original clip. Remember, the clip has not changed. The in point sets a marker on the file. Therefore, when you transition, you are going to get the last 15 frames of the discarded part of the clip. If you want the transition to start AFTER the car goes by, you need to move the in point on that clip to 15 frames later.
The reason it works when you start the transition at the cut line is because it starts the transition at the cut line (what a novel concept). However, in order to maintain the 1 second transition, it adds, and keeps, one second of video beyond the cut line of the first clip. Therefore, you are getting one second of video past where you didn't want to keep it. The reason it looks ok on your final is because the end of that clip does not change. If it did, you would have the same problem.
Instead of just starting the transition at the cut line (which is ok, as long as you understand what you are doing) you should get in the habit of trimming your clips correctly. Suppose you have moving video on both adjacent clips...... you would need to trim them correctly so you get the desired transition you want, instead of moving the transition around and pulling your hair out.

I realize you are taking one long clip and extracting pieces of it to make your final product. Sometimes we need to do that. When shooting clips to be edited later, I always tell people to start the recording and wait a few seconds for the "action" and to keep rolling at the end after the action is supposed to stop.... to enable you to do clean edits and transitions when finalizing your video.

Of course, after dragging your transition to the timeline, you can double click on the transition and choose the transition placement and adjust the duration.