(S)(X)VCD is dead! Long live the new king DVD+RW!

[Cosmo Kramer]

I'll just have to wait.. till the disc's cost much, much less and are dual-layer or even dual-layer and double sided.
Still that's very interesting piece of device i must admit.

Cosmo

[Bones FTP]

Yeah, but what about all the new movies released on the net?
They are all in VCD format. Example - Rush Hour 2, Planet of The Apes, etc...

Surely the release groups will keep them in VCD format. I would hate to pull 2 gig downloads for a new format...

DVD-R will definitely replace a lot of things, but I am not sure about zero-day releases.

0'


-Bone's FTP

[ksandbergfl]

DVD-RW isn't everything you think it is -- the big entertainment companies have built in "copyright protection" to prevent you from doing the same kinds of things you can now do with VCD, like mixing-and-matching video clips from different movies. DVD-RW WON'T allow you to copy-protect your OWN disks. The DVD-RW drives you will be able to buy as a consumer are "DVD-General", not "DVD-Authoring"... you will need a special exemption as a member of MPAA to buy/own a DVD-Authoring drive.

That's why VCD will live on.

Here's an excerpt from a white paper by the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation), the legal organization that helped make it legal for you to copy TV broadcasts with your VCR:

*---- begin excerpt ----*
What is wrong is when companies who make copy-protecting products don't disclose the restrictions to the consumers. Like Apple's recent happy-happy web pages on their new DVD-writing drive, announced this month (http://www.apple.com/idvd/). It's full of glowing info about how you can write DVDs based on your own DV movie recordings, etc. What it quietly neglects to say is that you can't use it to copy or time-shift or record any audio or video copyrighted by major companies. Even if you have the legal right to do so, the technology will prevent you. They don't say that you can't use it to mix and match video tracks from various artists, the way your CD burner will. It doesn't say that you can't copy-protect your own disks that it burns; that's a right the big manufacturers have reserved to themselves. They're not selling you a DVD-Authoring drive, which is for "professional use only". They're selling you a DVD-General drive, which cannot record the key-blocks needed to copy-protect your own recordings, nor can a DVD-General disc be used as a master to press your own DVDs in quantity. These distinctions are not even glossed over; they are simply ignored, not mentioned, invisible until after you buy the product.
*--- end excerpt ----*

You can read the entire article here:
http://www.toad.com/gnu/whatswrong.html

[Greg12]

1. 16/9 is icky. black ickie bars mess up my video. i want nice pan and scan. i mean, i record my dv in full screen.

2. cd writters will contine to be the standard for a while. dvd writters are expensive, dvd media is expensive and their are many conflicting standards. also, cd's can be written at 3megs a second. dvd is like, 300kbs.

i would wait till one format is chosen above all others.

[-=^SilentAssassin^=-]

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1. 16/9 is icky. black ickie bars mess up my video. i want nice pan and scan. i mean, i record my dv in full screen.

2. cd writters will contine to be the standard for a while. dvd writters are expensive, dvd media is expensive and their are many conflicting standards. also, cd's can be written at 3megs a second. dvd is like, 300kbs.

i would wait till one format is chosen above all others.
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HAHA if DVD writes at 300 kb/sec ..... it will take 9.25 HOURS to burn the full 10GB .... so HA ... VCD will live on!

[Xitanium]

well, some of that dvd-general bullshit will be cracked, and somewill find find a way to make it a dvd-authoring drive (maybe itll need another chip, like a mod-chip) but media prices will go down, HOWEVER i believe that vcd/svcd and cd-r will be the piracy standard until something that is not dvd comes along, if i win the lotto, ill put half the money into developing a new format LoveMPAA discs, holding 10gigs, and u know how philips has those little cd logos on all cds, well, there will be a little Love The MPAA logo on mine!!!! ok, enough ranting

really though, something new WILL come along, probly a little better than dvd that is more suited for data-writing.

[Xitanium]

"there will be a little Love the MPAA logo... LoveMPAA" thats F-ck the MPAA

[jaw2957]

The guy who said dvd burns at 300 kbs needs slapped! You can burn a full dvd in 30 minutes(at 2x). That is just in the begining of dvd burners, and thats already over 2600 kbs. Thats as fast as some of the fastest cd burners. Also if you clicked on the link Visoblast provided, you would see that the site offers dvd-r discs for $7 in dvd cases(not jewel cases). That would be the same as paying a buck a cd, which is still to much, but is reasonable considering how new dvd burning is. These prices will go down, and the people who clutched there vhs tapes when dvd came out have now bought dvd players. It will be the same way. Its unavoidable, because times change. The same thing with cassettes and cd's(for audio). But you could record radio broadcasts with cassettes! Who gives a shit, cd was clearly better, as dvd is now. Once things are a little more standardized it will inevitably take over!

[Fredrik]

He probably thought that 1x DVD is 150kb/sec as cd. DVD buners burn at 2x DVD speed.

/ Fredrik

[ksandbergfl]

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...HOWEVER i believe that vcd/svcd and cd-r will be the piracy standard until something that is not dvd comes along, ...
really though, something new WILL come along, probly a little better than dvd that is more suited for data-writing.
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I agree. VCD's on CD-R's/CD-RW's will be around a long time. The MPAA has messed up the DVD format too much to make it friendly for mass adoption by the average home user.

[ejai]

I consider myself the average Joe trying to create a decent digital video without much problems during the creation process. Well I must admit that I too feel that its about time to start planning your transition towards DVD. I tried mostly everthing from hours of software encoding to purchasing Hardware to create video.
Example:
1-Broadway card over $700 dollars - quality marginal at best, mpeg2 video sucks, lines aren't smooth for additional $100 dollars for the software upgrade.

Dazzle DVC $300 dollars - and found that the Athlon motherboard chipset doesn't work well with.

ATI Radeon $300 dollars - audio sync issues and some screen resolutions drop frames like mad.

Teraping VCD recorder - another $500 purchase and the VCD quality looks great on somethings and sucks on others.

I am tired of spending money on useless, at best marginal equipment to find incompatibility issues and other stupid varibles to aggrivate a person to no end.

I have collected just enough money to start my purchase of the new Panasonic DVD recorder when it becomes available and I feel that most of my problems will be solved. I know the media for each disc is $10 and up but watching what I've already spent I feel its worth the money.

It may not be for everyone now, but it will eventually. I do believe that the prices will continue to drop at a slow and steady rate.

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[Greg12]

ops -embarrized face-, i thought that 1x was the same on both dvd and cd.

what is 1x and 2x in dvd.

sorry.

but i still hold out that 16/9 is crap. i don't have a widescreen tv, don't have the space or the money. n i hate those black bars

to the guy who talked about mpaa liscene

i read that it costs nothing to get a key, just it's a complex and secert process.

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[Peter]

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And add in a new DVD player that supprorts the DVD+RW format. The DVD compatibility list on this site lists only one that is compatable with DVD+RW.

So plan on spending about $800 to $1,000 by the time you factor in the DVD+RW drive, the DVD player, and a decent amount of blank disks.

It will arrive but I wouldn't be planning on September for it to become a mass market product. Without mass market appeal the price will remain high. I think mass market is probably 2+ years away. I think the average Joe will continue to enjoy those 10 VHS for $6.00 bundles at their local K-Mart.
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DVD+RW is compatible with todays DVD drives, that a big advantage over the DVD-RW format:

Compatibility with the installed base of DVD-ROM and DVD players is a compelling reason for embracing the DVD+RW format," he said.

http://www.idg.net/idgns/2001/03/22/CEBITAllianceShowsDVDRWTechnology.shtml

[species8514]

$15-$17 for blank media?

I can buy the damn film on dvd for that??!!

[Down1oader]

errr.... i think plextor or someone is releasin a three layer cd writer so a normal cdr can hold up to 2gb i think i found this out from gamecopyworld.com ...... just a thought.