If I remember my high school theatre arts correctly, this whole endeavor is questionable. As I recall, the scripts that were used for the productions were labeled quite clearly that they were to be used for stage production only. Recording the production for distribution was specifically forbidden.
It's been many years since then, so things may have changed, but I would check into that before you get strapped for huge fines and possibly lose the schools privaledge to obtain scripts for future productions.
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Theft of copyrighted material is part of the cost of doing business, like shoplifting is to retail stores. Like most things these days, it's not what's right or wrong, it's whether it's worth it to protect your material.
You don't need Macrovision, you need attorneys. You can sue anyone you can prove has stolen your material. In most cases, it's just not worth it. A cease and desist letter is about $800 in the United States, to go to court and sue for copyright infringement is $4000-6000, minimum. If you are losing that much money, than take the people who are stealing your goods to court. Otherwise, get your money up front. Charge a day rate.
I think this guy SERIOUSLY misunderstands the mentality of 15 year old kids today.
Trust me: they're not wasting their time making bootlegs of the high school musical. Cripes, they'd probably get beaten up if they even admitted that they WENT TO SEE the high school musical!
The best suggestion, as already stated: insist on some kind of pre-order system where parents are asked to fill out an order form within a certain period of time. After all the orders are in, ship the CD's. Not a day sooner.
If people are going to make copies after that, so be it. Nothing you can do about it.
And to answer the guys question about the technology to get to Mars. What he needs to understand is that technology works on both sides of the equation. Sure, there's technology to protect DVD's. But there's an equal arsenal of technology that can beat that protection.
After getting a full night's sleep and a FRESH look at this thread:
1) THANKS to all of you for your answers....it looks like protecting my DVDs that I handout is not possible.
2) I APOLOGIZE for having an "attitude"....when you literally work 4hrs every night (after your fulltime day job) on a video-project for a month to meet a DEADLINE, it wears on you.
3) I apologize to Lordsmurf...although I dont like being made fun of but I guess thats what you get coming on this board asking questions, cop'ing an attitude.
4) THANKS to those who have gave me ideas on ways to manage and guide my video-biz....
Well, Jim, there is a way to protect your work and it is absolutely fool-proof! You didn't get this answer in any of the previous posts, because it is a very closely held secret of this board. We usually protect this knowledge from "noobs", because they can be very irritating (as you have a propensity to be, at times). However, since you now have a year under your belt (membership in the forum), we can now share this technology with you.
You might want to print this out, since this knowledge is so valuable, and is NOT searchable.
To protect your discs from being copied, take each disc and scribe a groove 0.005" to 0.010" deep radially from the center of the disc to the edge of the disc. Any width of this groove greater than 0.010" will do. Once done, nobody will be able to copy the disc.
(And your costs are $20 per disc?)ICBM target coordinates:
26° 14' 10.16"N -- 80° 16' 0.91"W
...and customers will hand back the disc and demand a non-scratched one. And when you try to explain to them that you did it so that they can't copy it, they'll ask for their money back.
The scratching idea is not something you should do when selling your products. It's unprofessional.
Just live with the fact that you can't protect them.
That's alright, Next he'll be looking to protect the Wedding videos from being copied.
Hollywood and Sony haven't come up with a foolproof way and we are expected to come up with a foolproof way.
Think about it, if I could come up with a way to completely defeat copying and still have every player play the DVD. Would I give it away here or would I hop the next jet to Hollywood? You got it, show me that big money!
Charge enough up front for the wedding video and give enough copies and a license to copy up to 50 copies and you'll have happy customers and make the money you wanted up front.
YOU go put in 4+ hrs every weeknight and 6+ every weekend for an entire MONTH...and see if you arent worried about some little $%^&ing 15yr old ripping off your work
Hell, I used to do photoshop workshops for free and 6 months after I stopped doing it someone two towns over was doing them at $35 a person. I got mad, then flattered then I showed up at one of this guys workshops, he recognized me and I him, I told him that I did it better and he needed to get original. Life goes on.
Frankly I think Cornucopia gave you the best advice:
Change your business model!
Add great graphics on the labelling and packaging and "booklets", or extra picture files (in a separate folder) that a standard ripper won't automatically copy, or a website that your "individualized registration" allows extra features to be temporarily (for one/limited time only) downloaded). Get them hooked on the bonus that your version could have that a "generic" copy may not have.
--dES"You can observe a lot by watching." - Yogi Bera
He'll probably burn it to Memorex or whatever's on sale at OfficeMax that week, too. Just a guess, based on his posts. Can't wait till he burns it to DVD-R and finds out that someone's DVD player that was made in 1994 won't play it and they want a copy that works. We'd better anchor in when he comes back for that one.
"So you're telling me they can put a probe on Mars 3 million miles away... but Memorex can't make a decent DVD that will play on every DVD player on the face of the Earth?"
Originally Posted by DesICBM target coordinates:
26° 14' 10.16"N -- 80° 16' 0.91"W
I'm telling you, do what the pros do; charge a day rate. Figure out what to charge them; your labor and expenses, and add the cost of extra product, in your case, DVDs. Ask for at least half up front, or at least a good deposit that will cover everything but your labor.
You're not making enough money to get an ulcer over copyright infringement. When your stuff is in theaters or TV, then you worry about distribution problems.
Originally Posted by jimcornetet
It is unfortunate that you migrated to the dark side - and now think you are the mpaa or riaa. You should be ashamed of yourself for turning something good and generous into typical entertaiment industry personal greed.
Just burn the dvd's - do the best job you can - price them to recover your costs - and enjoy the appreciation you get from those kids, their parents, and their grandparents.
Originally Posted by Rich86
If on the other hand he worked for the school the school would own the copyright to any material that he has created.
"We can put a probe on MARS three zillion miles away and have a robot roam the planet for months if not years..."
The same people who are doing these things now, are the same people, who when they were younger, easily broke any of the dvd protection schemes.member since 1843
To the last few posters - the OP has come back, been very gracious in his acknowledgment of the advice given, apologised for having an attitude, and basically been pretty good about the way this thread has gone. So why are you guys still being such *******s ?
I tried to stick up for you, and you go and do this. All you had to say was that you have a contract with the producer, not go on a rant.
You can put a transparent watermark on your video.
Probably in the lower right corner, as people are used to
seeing it in that location.A man walked into his son's room and said..."Son, that will cause blindness."
The boy said, "Dad, I'm over here."
Originally Posted by Mr. Dweezel
It doesn't have to be text.
If you've ever watched the American Life channel you'll just see a
transparent star in the corner.
I definately didn't mean the kind of animated garbage that most channels are using!A man walked into his son's room and said..."Son, that will cause blindness."
The boy said, "Dad, I'm over here."
It's called a "bug". I don't put them on work I do for customers(unless they ask), or on feature productions, but I put one on just about everything else, especially stuff that goes on the internet.
If somebody really wanted to, they could get rid of the bug as well. Matter of fact, I think the software that will do that is available here in the Tools section............
Protecting your work is a problem, no doubt about it, but like I said earlier, don't let it eat you up, do the best you can, then move on to the next job.
If Hollywood can't copy-protect their DVDs, blah blah
Studios license CSS and Macrovision knowing full well that massive segments of their markets will easily bypass them. But the fact is that there will always be massive segments of their market that will not be able to bypass the protection, as easy as it might be. When spread out over hundreds of thousands of discs, the cost of the protection is relatively low. You don't have to fool that many PTA moms before it becomes cost effective. The fact that a security measure can be bypassed by some or even many, doesn't make it useless.
In the case of the original poster, his market is not large enough to justify spending money on CSS or Macrovision, and these are the only viable commercial solutions. I think the best solution is to just guilt your audience with a disclaimer saying that the kiddos put alot of hard work into this so everyone should be honest and buy their own copy.Been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding.
I think the best solution is just to put out the best you can, sell as many as you can up front for a reasonable amount, and then TRUST the customers will want to come back to YOU (the source) for additional copies, should they be pleased with the product.
I would think that the time saved by not investing in WORRY. GREED, JEALOUSY and ILL WILL could be best used to prepare you for your next successful venture. Does wonders for your complexion as well.
BTW, what's with the "all red" text?
Originally Posted by Mr. Dweezel
Messing up the video won't stop them, and will only degrade the experience for those who paid for it.
But again, who is going to go to the trouble to rip it off? It's a "market" whose members can be listed on a single page.