all-in-one vs vso

[Delta2]

Preface :

VSO convertXdvd is that known SuperJumbo in the world
All-in-one : a small plane trying to beet VSO in the runway

VSO just thrust is engine and rotates in the runway and takeover …. converts each movie file and then authors a single DVD…it just flies smoothly ….without low terrain warnings

All-in-one tries to mimic VSO engine and before rotation it must make taxiways clearing the runway for other processes and then return…over and over, processes can crash because there is fog between them, or just because misunderstandings between tower-control

Makes no sense, it’s a nose-dived plane all the way

Let’s say I have a 3 CD movie file, and I want the best quality possible in 2 PASS encoding

VSO just thrust is engine and converts 3 VOB files and authors

All-in-one makes taxiways for each movie :

3 movies x 2 pass = 6 pass

But let’s say that CCE takes a extra pass for making Video Information file ( VAF )…it will be ( +1 )

3 movies x 2 ( + 1) = 9 pass

Meanwhile VSO has already landing hours, or days ago

OK…let’s say 2 CDs…for CCE ( 2 PASS )

2 x 2 ( + 1 ) = 6 PASS

Makes no sense at all

[guns1inger]

I have no idea what you are talking about, and neither do you.

VSO is an all-in-wonder. It just happens to be tweaked better than most of the others. It uses the same basic back end as SUPER, WinAVI and NeroVision.

If you put a 3CD movie file into ConvertXtoDVD you get three titles that play one after the other. You get a slight pause at the breaks, similar to a layer break pause. ConvertXtoDVD is a single pass encoder. It is fast because it is optimised for speed, not quality. It assumes the source is of low to average quality to begin with, and is configured based on this assumption. But it only does on pass.

CCE is a professional level encoder, and assumes that the source will be of high to broadcast quality. It can do multiple passes, in CBR and VBR mode. If you are using CCE you should first use AVIDemux to join the three parts together into a single file. Then encode using an avisynth script that resizes and filters the file to remove all the damage done by the original encoding to Xvid/Divx/pick your poison. If you can be bothered putting a script together to do this then using CCE is a waste of time. and yes, it takes longer. Quality takes time.

Makes no sense at all

Is the only part of your post that makes sense.

[vico1]

Makes no sense at all

Is the only part of your post that makes sense.

The airplane analogy was kinda' surreal...I didn't understand it all...but it was cute...

[Delta2]

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I have no idea what you are talking about, and neither do you.

VSO is an all-in-wonder. It just happens to be tweaked better than most of the others. It uses the same basic back end as SUPER, WinAVI and NeroVision.
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Yeah…they have it’s own engine, unlike all-in-one soft


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If oyu put a 3CD movie file into ConvertXtoDVD you get three titles that play one after the other. You get a slight pause at the breaks, similar to a layer break pause.
Of course it does…because they doesn’t join files, it just thrust their engines and then authors all together

ConvertXtoDVD is a single pass encoder. It is fast because it is optimised for speed, not quality. It assumes the source is of low to average quality to begin with, and is configured based on this assumption. But it only does on pass.
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Nothing to say


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CCE is a professional level encoder, and assumes that the source will be of high to broadcast quality. It can do multiple passes, in CBR and VBR mode. If you are using CCE you should first use AVIDemux to join the three parts together into a single file. Then encode using an avisynth script that resizes and filters the file to remove all the damage done by the original encoding to Xvid/Divx/pick your poison. If you can be bothered putting a script together to do this then using CCE is a waste of time.
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OK

Tell me, what all-in-one tool joins AVI files ?

That’s the question

All of them tries to mimic VSO joining files afterwards – during authoring phase

[Delta2]

all-in-one software...

To join or not to join...that's the question

mimic VSO or not to mimic VSO, that's the question

it's that so hard to understand ?!

Anyone...tell me :

how many passes that all-in-one takes to convert a 3 CD movie files ? or 4 files ?

a taxiway for each one....

lol

[guns1inger]

None of them do it, or if they try, they do it badly and produce audio sync issues, which is why most avoid it. That is why I suggested you join first with AVIDemux. No re-encoding, just a single file to process.

I'm not having a go at ConvertXtoDVD. It is only one of it's kind that actually does what it says it will, most of the time. It is fast, generally reliable, and produces reasonable quality output given the source it usually works on. It is not in any way competition for a real mpeg-2 encoder.

[guns1inger]

all-in-one software...

To join or not to join...that's the question

mimic VSO or not to mimic VSO, that's the question

it's that so hard to understand ?!

What does this mean ? When I read your posts all I hear is Yoda's voice, but even then most of it doesn't make sense.

What, specifically, is your issue ? Is it just joining multi-part files, or looking for an alternative to ConvertXtoDVD ?

[Delta2]

None of them do it, or if they try, they do it badly and produce audio sync issues, which is why most avoid it. That is why I suggested you join first with AVIDemux. No re-encoding, just a single file to process.

Guns1inger...I know that, I'm not asking you for advice

I'm just saying that TFM, D2MP, DIKO, AVI2DVD...all-in-one...softs

they all are trying to mimic VSO

and that, sorry me, but that's makes no sense...it's crap...crap...crap..crap..crap

[Delta2]

all-in-one software...

To join or not to join...that's the question

mimic VSO or not to mimic VSO, that's the question

it's that so hard to understand ?!

What does this mean ? When I read your posts all I hear is Yoda's voice, but even then most of it doesn't make sense.

What, specifically, is your issue ? Is it just joining multi-part files, or looking for an alternative to ConvertXtoDVD ?

just what you heard about, nothing less

I'm not asking you for advice or something else

D2MP or others saying that joins 2 or more files ? what ?! joining afterwards !?

That's is so simple to do...but does it worth it when VSO is 100% fast ?!

no.....no.....all-in-one...must join files in the right way...fast and quickly

best as possible

[t0nee1]

delta2 wrote, " just what you heard about, nothing less

I'm not asking you for advice or something else

Did you happen to see the forum title? Videohelp......

[Delta2]

delta2 wrote, " just what you heard about, nothing less

I'm not asking you for advice or something else

Did you happen to see the forum title? Videohelp......

then I ask you to help me to understand this phenomena

Why the hell all-in-one software joins AVI files afterwards ? taking taxiways for each of them ?

that's my question

[vico1]

Guns1inger...You just Had to bring up Yoda's voice didn't yuh!
(it's in my head now!...get it out I cannot...old song it is like!)

Delta2...Software is configured to work, as it's developer designed it to work.
You'll have to ask them, Why they wanted it that way.

[Delta2]

Delta2...Software is configured to work, as it's developer designed it to work.
You'll have to ask them, Why they wanted it that way.

Right, I have my own : Pionner DV-470

I was only surprised to figure out is that no one does a real join, but earlier versions of DIKO did..using the frameserver, but it dismissed that method and follow the VSO way...what in ALL-IN-ONE term of use means to convert each file separately....why ? because they lack a self engine, just imagine converting a 2 CD Movie file with 2 PASS....how many passes would it take to accomplish this ?

2 * 2 = 4

But if you are aware that CCE spends a extra pass for VAF ( File Information ) ...

3 * 2 = 6

non sense...it's far better to use VSO, When I saw the new version of D2MP saying that it joins....that p*..me off, because that is not true...it just joins aftwards : reauthors 2 huge MPEGs in a single titleset...which plays sequentially...or not

I'm wrong ?!

[mats.hogberg]

To avoid sync issues, it's actually better to join at the authoring stage (after encoding), rather than joining the source files.
And actually: Most other allinones came into existence long before VSO DivX2dvd/Convertx2dvd.
Since your typical AVI source file is crap anyway, running umpteen passes thru CCE makes no sense - You can't polish a turd. VSO gives the source the attention it needs, is all. Noone in his/her right mind would take a 2 hour 700 MB DivX and do a multi pass CCE encode. It'd just be a waste of time.

/Mats

[Delta2]

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To avoid sync issues, it's actually better to join at the authoring stage (after encoding), rather than joining the source files.
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True, but not using a software that lacks a self engine to encode, and that means to use VSO or WinAVI (older versions, prior 7 )

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Since your typical AVI source file is crap anyway, running umpteen passes thru CCE makes no sense - You can't polish a turd.
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Don't say mine, there is good sources out there...and this is enough said

There is some join methods that makes reliable outputs, don't you think that AVIMux is good enough ?! and it accepts scripting language, what success rate do you give to this soft ?

And let's say AVISynth once used by DIKO and abandoned in earlier versions, how much does it succeeded to join ?

This is only some methods, there is more, because, as you may know you can use mencoder or ffmpeg, cli versions in order to accomplish this very hard and impossible task to join crap files

don't you think that a 90% success rate in a good joining method worth it ?

and if you don't want to join, there must be a jobs method in order to convert them separately, just like DVD2AVI has

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VSO gives the source the attention it needs, is all. Noone in his/her right mind would take a 2 hour 700 MB DivX and do a multi pass CCE encode. It'd just be a waste of time.
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No, it wouldn't be a waste of time if they just join and make a OPV encoding

Saying that it joins 2 files, just like the latest version of D2MP, is a fake

And be wise that I'm not cast as "crap" to any all-in-one software, I'm just saying that the whole idea is crap when dealing with more than 1 AVI file

Sorry me, but this is just my humble opinion, that you may disagree..of course...but...maybe Baldrick knows and may answer

[rajalev]

D2mp JOINS movies !!!
Not only 2, but 3, 4 or more !
It does not join in 1 single mpeg. Yes, it's true. But, what's the problem ?
What really interests is that when playing the full authored DVD the movie seems like one.
And, it does.
I've just put 2 movies in 1 dvd (1 movie with 3 segments and another one with 1 segment).
Perfect !!!

I believe that the author choosed this aproach to make sure it mantains the correct AV delays of the source AVI's (this is just my opinion by inspecting the log file).


About 2 * 3 * 2 = 12 passes: I believe it is not correct !!!
for instance, if we have a 2 AVIs movie (each one with 1 hour) and using 2 pass QUENC,
There will be 2 passes for each avi (2 x 2 = 4 hours encoding).

But, by the other side, if we consider just 1 AVI with 2 hours, we will have 2 passes total, but each pass will be 2 hours, so: 2 x 2 = 4 hours encoding. (the same as above)

In fact, the sum of the totals equals the total of the sum.
The total encoding time is exactly the same if we have 1,2 3 or 10 segments.
The only things that seems to inflict encoding duration is the total duration of the segments.