The only adverts on the BBC in the UK is for their own services and programmes and they do not advertise for anything else. However, there was a bit of bother a couple of years back when it was asked if the adverts shown within programmes as back drops etc. were paid for by companies. It has also been suggested that such incidental advertising could earn income for the Beeb.I do have one more question, the commercials on the BBC that you pay for, are they offering non-related services and goods from other companies or are they for BBC related programming only?
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Originally Posted by ntscuser
You fail to notice very significant difference:
I HAVE A CHOICE of paying it or not (your 130 pounds for BBC vs my 'cable' if i opt to pay instead of watchung OTA channels)
YOU DON'T
(if your UK location is correct you simply must pay for BBC regardless of watching it or not )
And as for the extra costs of tv advertising hidden "in the price of groceries" :
the last time Ive been to UK the price of groceries (and basically of everything, including local onion and stuff like that) was way way way higher than same in USA...
Originally Posted by Duchess
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Originally Posted by DereX888
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Thanks for all the answers from you guys. This whole TV licence fee is very interesting to me.
I do have another question, if you subscribe to satellite or cable service, is the TV licence fee included with your subscription?
What if you use FTA satellite, are you required to pay a TV licence fee?
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What if you put people inside a large box across the street, have them act out a play and use mirrors to reflect the image on to a screen in your home.. Would you be required to pay the licence fee?
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Originally Posted by DuchessHis name was MackemX
What kind of a man are you? The guy is unconscious in a coma and you don't have the guts to kiss his girlfriend? -
Originally Posted by Conquest10
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Originally Posted by ntscuser
I grew up with VCR for short time (then my PC was my new VCR) and I hardly remember viewing any commercials
Originally Posted by ntscuser
If in UK you people save so much money (1/7th as you say) on tv advertising, why is it that in USA everything is much cheaper than in UK? -
Originally Posted by DereX888
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Originally Posted by DereX888
Add to this technology to remove advertising from broadcasts removes the point of advertisers using the television medium. What is the point if everyone is going to skip their commercials?
The commerical stations (the biggest being ITV) don't want the licence fee scrapped apparently. BBC1 now gets the over-all biggest audience share and if they went commercial ITV would loose a lot of money as, obviously, the advetisers would flock to where it was more likely that their wares will be on show. Now that ITV is a PLC, its main aim is profit and making money for the share holders; the viewer comes in third behind them and the advetisers. Because of this situation ITV has been, in the last few years, very reliant on its big hitting Soap operas (Emmadale and Coronation Street) which are on five or six times a week now and have aimed a lot of output towards women not to mention the meteoric rise of the reality show; but it didn't have much else. This is because these programmes have an established viewer base. The casualty has been creativity; to risk new programming was to risk low ratings; although this now appears to be changing as ITV have made a few series that would be unheard of only two years ago: Eleventh Hour (with Patrick Stewart), Afterlife and the newer (Doctor Who influenced but rather fun) Primeval.
My own view on the licence fee is a lesser of two evils situation; no-one really likes paying it and I don't really like the way that the BBC sometimes operates: huge administration costs and staffing, too many local radio stations, sometimes frustrating PC programme making and the pointless BBC3, but it does make the best of the UK programmes: e.g. Doctor Who (ahem), Spooks (or MI5) and the brilliant Life On Mars (you US folk are getting your own version of this soon apparently).
Many don't like the BBC in its current form and indeed there is a lot very wrong with it, but if the licence fee was scrapped, and maybe in the 21st Century it is an out of date concept, then the BBC would end in its current form. I suspect that, in the UK, we won't appreciate what we have until it has gone.Cole -
Yes, shows are constantly canceled mid-season here if the ratings are OK and not number 1 (especially if it costs a lot to produce). Some of the times its the fault of the network by constantly switching time slots or not showing the show every week. Family Guy immediately comes to mind. They kept switching days and time slots then even had a huge hiatus in between seasons before it was cancelled. It started regularly airing on Adult Swim and all of a sudden ratings for it went up and it was brought back. Futurama is another. There were episodes of it that didn't even air until it was in syndication. And the ultimate has to be Arrested Development where they would just randomly show episodes throughout the year until it was cancelled.
What some advertisers have started doing due to people just fast forwarding through the commercials is put ads for the products in the actual show.His name was MackemX
What kind of a man are you? The guy is unconscious in a coma and you don't have the guts to kiss his girlfriend? -
Originally Posted by ntscuser
The discussion with you seems pointless, you keep repeating and repeating same mantra about "me" (US) paying more for products due to advertising costs, yet it is "you" (UK) who pay much more for the same products (with very very few exceptions).
Originally Posted by Conquest10
The day I saw first TiVo in my friend's home, I knew the advertising ways have to, and will change.
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Originally Posted by DereX888
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Originally Posted by ntscuser
So which part of the discussion you don't understand?
The analogy between US commercially-funded tv, where you suggest (in USA) it raise the cost of products advertised on tv by as much as 1/7th, or the part of "obligatory publicly-funded BBC" without advertising, where (in UK) same products are NOT 1/7th cheaper than in USa, but even much more expensive than in USA?
The "tv licence" is a scam in my opinion, and you haven't give me any logical explanation or reason to prove it is not... -
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The BBC does have a commerical arm, BBC Worldwide (who I believe also run BBC America), and any profits made by them are put back into the corportation's operations.Cole -
Originally Posted by ntscuser
Originally Posted by ntscuser
Originally Posted by ntscuser
Let me rephrase it:
Would YOU like to be forced to pay for something you don't need nor want?
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Originally Posted by DereX888Originally Posted by DereX888
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Originally Posted by ntscuser
I'd say the products would not be cheaper even by a penny, because the "savings" (from not spending money on advertising) would simply become higher profit margins.
IMHO its some kind of marxist or socialist utopia what youre saying, but of course none of us knows for sure how it would be without advertising in a modern society.
Originally Posted by ntscuser
Since you "value" BBC programming, you don't object to forced tax in the form of "tv licence".
But what about the people who don't like BBC programming - why they have to be forced to pay for your television?
There are large communities of immigrants from all over the world in UK.
Im sure none of the say West Indian immigrants who don't speak a word in English is so eager to pay for tv that YOU enjoy.
I dont think you are also forced to pay for commercial tv subscriptions there in UK, are you?
As for the costs of advertising in thge products yo use - see above -
Originally Posted by Conquest10
You DO have a CHOICE of ordering your premium channels, or getting free OTA channels infested with commercials.
In UK apparently you DON'T have this choice. -
I don't really want to get involved in this row but there are some bits that need clearing up - I am not taking sides I hasten to add.
Originally Posted by DereX888
The analagy (whether I agree or not is beside the point) applies to both the UK and US: Any advertiser will potentially pass on the cost of advertising to the consumer. I read somewhere that coca cola is one of the most expensive colas but becuase of its advertising it has become a premium brand and people are willing to pay that much extra than, say, Tesco's much cheaper own brand. This isn't about price differentials between the US and UK but, as I said, something that (potentially - he says siting on the fence ) applies both to the US and UK.
There is a worrying trend at the moment in the UK where digital stations are becoming gaming channels which make money purely from the gullible viewers who send text messages on premium rate numbers. Is this the future if left purely to the commercial market? I hope not.
Originally Posted by DereX888
I do agree, however, that there is an issue with people being forced into paying the fee but this is a hangover from the past; commericailising the BBC isn't the answer - there isn't enough advertising to go round.
As for cable or satellite stations like SKY; I would find it frustrating that I am paying a subscritption fee and still have to suffer advertising on top of that; which they have.
Originally Posted by DereX888
Of course, the alternative view is that people could moan that their licence money is being used on programmes aimed at a small minority.
You DO have a CHOICE of ordering your premium channels, or getting free OTA channels infested with commercials.
In UK apparently you DON'T have this choice.Cole -
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Originally Posted by ntscuser
I said earlier there is no point in discussing it with you, because I suspected - and now Im sure - youre just a BBC fanboi (an equivalent of MAC fanbois) with typical leftist Brit attitude.
God save The Queen and g'day to you, sire
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Originally Posted by Cole
There are no "tv licences" in USA or Canada, yet there are plenty of tv and radio channels in foreign languages.
I think my local provider's 'basic cable package' include quite few tv channels in various languages.
Free OTA local channels have foreign language programmes as well - although not 24/7 - and without any 'tv licence' fees.
Of course all of it is infested with commercials, but nevertheless: its free and people have a choice to watch it or not, and without being forced to pay any compulsory fees (versus your UK model where everyone has to pay regardless of watching it or not).
Thats all what I'm trying to point out.
And I do like plenty of BBC programmes too
Originally Posted by Cole
However to watch only your own 'content' (DVDs etc) you'd still buy a TV set, and I don't think you can 'disable tv tuner part' to avoid paying extra for something you'd never use (tv licence aka BBC Tax).
Have a good night -
Originally Posted by DereX888
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Originally Posted by ntscuser
but I tell you this: I pay for the DVDs released by BBC.
See?
I still have a choice. You don't -
harrum BTW its licence fee not license fee not even licencefree.
too much licentiousness is good/bad for your health.Corned beef is now made to a higher standard than at any time in history.
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Originally Posted by DereX888
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