DVDShrink: "Remove Layer Break"

[tac7]

Could anyone offer some insight on whether one should leave the "Remove Layer Break" box checked, or unchecked in DVDShrink?
I have just started using Verbatim DL+R discs (complete backups only so far), and was wondering if I were to re-author a disc, with the layer break shifted from the original area of the source disc, what impact it will have with either setting? The default setting is checked - to remove layer breaks, so would un-checking it create a greater chance of ending up with a coaster, or playback problems/freezing, or not?
Thanks for sharing any experience anyone has had with this.

[MOVIEGEEK]

The answer to your question is yes you should untick the box but I would use Imgburn to write because it will calculate the best layer break.
If you want a 1:1 copy then use DVDDecrypter ISO Read->ISO Write...or on recent DVD's use DVDFab Decrypter to rip and Imgburn to write.

[tac7]

Thanks! I downloaded the latest version of Imgburn and have started using it now on instead of Nero.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

I am backing up to DL as well, but using the re-author option because I am backing up my TV series discs.
If I reauthor and lose all menus and extra features, I can fit more episodes on a DL than were on the original pressed discs.
When you're talking about 10 seasons with 6-7 discs per season, getting an extra 2 eps per disc saves me on the number of DL's I have to use.
But when I use the 'Remove Layer Break" feature, IMG Burn freaks and gives me error messages.
How do I set up where the layer break goes?

[guns1inger]

You can try using PGCEdit to set the layer break position, but when creating discs for DL, you have to have chapter stops in appropriate positions to allow a layer break to be created. Re-Authoring in DVD Shrink may not allow this to happen every time.

[MOVIEGEEK]

But when I use the 'Remove Layer Break" feature, IMG Burn freaks and gives me error messages.

Did you try unticking the box?

Gunslinger is probably correct,you will have to use PGCEDIT to create a cell:
http://www.digital-digest.com/~blutach/dl_burn_guide2/dl_burning_with_pgcedit_v2.htm

[Xylob the Destroyer]

I don't think that's gonna work.
As I work my way through a series/season, I'm getting eps from more than one disc -- unticking the box, I could wind up creating an ISO with 2 layer breaks. Let's say that the first ep I rip for a given ISO that I'm creating is the one with the layer break, and then the last ep I rip for the same ISO is from the next disc in the season set and it also happens to be the one with the layer break.
What happens then?

Maybe I don't understand what this "Remove Layer Break" option does, but I assumed that by ticking the box, I was telling Shrink to ignore the layer break from the original.
Are you telling me that this is not the case, and that if I leave the check in the box Shrink will create a new layer break for that ISO that I create with Shrink based on the size and compression of the new ISO?

[VegasBud]

Xylob the Destroyer,

The short answer to letting DvdShrink "remove the layer break" is to follow MOVIEGEEK's advice to disallow it.

The (slightly) longer answer is:
There is no layer break until the disk is burned. The original layer break location, along with any other possible layer break location(s), are simply cells that comply with a set of criteria. There can be several of these, as you'll frequently see in ImgBurn. When DvdShrink "removes" a layer break, it's also removing the chance of using that particular cell for a layer break. Giving up a possible layer break choice is never a good thing with dual layer.

Two other DL considerations are:

If you're using DvdShrink to create an DL ISO to feed to ImgBurn, it's unnecessary, and can lead to problems. You would be better off outputting a VIDEO_TS structure, and using ImgBurn in "Build" mode.

If ImgBurn can't find a suitable place for the layer break, open the project in PgcEdit, and proceed as though you're going to set the layer break. When PgcEdit puts up the messagebox telling you there is no place to put the layer break, look at the bottom of the messagebox. PgcEdit recommends which cell should be split to get a layer break. Close PgcEdit, and use VobBlanker to split the recommended cell. If you then re-open the project in ImgBurn, the newly split cell will show up as a layer break choice.

[Xylob the Destroyer]

holy crap.....
I guess I didn't know what I was getting myself into when I 'upgraded' to DL!
perhaps I'm going at this the wrong way...

Should I be ripping the episodes individually and then using some other authoring program, then burning?

[MOVIEGEEK]

holy crap.....
I guess I didn't know what I was getting myself into when I 'upgraded' to DL!
perhaps I'm going at this the wrong way...

Should I be ripping the episodes individually and then using some other authoring program, then burning?

It might be easier using DVDShrink to save 4 episodes on a SL disc if the episodes are on different titles.
If the episodes are on different chapters then use DVDDecrypter ->IFO Mode->Stream Processing to rip chapters then import the VOB's to TDA.