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    Sorry, my bad, LG has an output while Polaroid has both in- and out-.
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    Originally Posted by mach3man
    Interesting... this little machine won't even display the image from an NON HD channel from my Dish HD receiver.

    The pass-through is great, picture image is perfect but once I turn the recorder on the image scrolls to the left at a remarkable rate.

    Oh, well. I guess I'll pay the big bucks for the Dish ViP 622.

    Thanks!
    You have to learn how to set the output resolution on your Dish HD, When recording to the Polaroid (or any other) it has to be set to 480i if you are using component inputs of the recorder.

    It's not the Polaroid it's you.

    You have some more reading to do!
    Yeah... I know how to set the output resolution but the idea of HD is HD...

    I'll struggle along with my 1080i and buy the Dish 622.

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    Originally Posted by mach3man
    Interesting... this little machine won't even display the image from an NON HD channel from my Dish HD receiver.

    The pass-through is great, picture image is perfect but once I turn the recorder on the image scrolls to the left at a remarkable rate.

    Oh, well. I guess I'll pay the big bucks for the Dish ViP 622.

    Thanks!
    You have to learn how to set the output resolution on your Dish HD, When recording to the Polaroid (or any other) it has to be set to 480i if you are using component inputs of the recorder.

    It's not the Polaroid it's you.

    You have some more reading to do!
    Yeah... I know how to set the output resolution but the idea of HD is HD...

    I'll struggle along with my 1080i and buy the Dish 622.

    Thanks.
    More reading required!

    Being able to record full widescreen 16x9 via component at 480i from a HD source to a DVD recorder with a HDD is probably only availabe with the Polaroid 2001G.

    Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

    Remember even if the resolution is only 480i the bit rate of the feed from your DISH is between 13mps and 19mps (although HD from Dish is questionable). This is as good as it gets.

    You need to educate yourself.

    The resulting recordings are exceptional. The best I have ever seen for a DVD recorder distributed in North America.
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    As I mentioned in another thread, I use my Polaroid mainly for HDTV
    recordings. Thanks to its component INPUT recording capability.

    I think that quality will vary from the HDTV receiver you hook up
    to the Polaroid, though. You may have to "tweak" the color levels
    some. I had to do that in mine. The color levels that my HDTV
    receiver is outputing seems to be really rich and deep. I mean,
    dark, like worse than 0-255 RGB range. I can't explain it clearly
    enough.

    And, what I -really- like about the Polaroid is that when you hook
    up an HDTV receiver to it, and you set your receive to 16x9 Anamorphic,
    as in mine, the Polaroid will record it that way. The finished
    mpeg is recorded "squeezed" anamorphically, and when re-encoded again,
    can be done without resizing the video for an anamorphic presentation.
    But, you have to set your HDTV receiver to the proper aspect ratio
    for this work, and it has be able to pass through, across the 480i
    connections. I'm lucky, in that on one of my hdtv receiver's (I have
    TWO) this works, while on another one, it doesn't. So, you have to
    test this out, and see for yourself.

    I could post a sample clip that I processed, using my setup, case
    anyone is curious about what the Polaroid can do.

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  5. taking the update to the extreme. is it possible you think to replace the dvd drive with a HD dvd player/writer (example Toshiba SD-H903A )?

    http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/05/toshiba-unveils-sd-h903a-hd-dvd-burner-for-pcs/
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  6. Not possible. For example the DVD burner I use now is both DL and DVD-Ram capable. But the Polaroid does not see a DL or Ram disc - doesn't work with DL or Ram.
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    Originally Posted by vhelp
    As I mentioned in another thread, I use my Polaroid mainly for HDTV
    recordings. Thanks to its component INPUT recording capability.

    I think that quality will vary from the HDTV receiver you hook up
    to the Polaroid, though. You may have to "tweak" the color levels
    some. I had to do that in mine. The color levels that my HDTV
    receiver is outputing seems to be really rich and deep. I mean,
    dark, like worse than 0-255 RGB range. I can't explain it clearly
    enough.

    And, what I -really- like about the Polaroid is that when you hook
    up an HDTV receiver to it, and you set your receive to 16x9 Anamorphic,
    as in mine, the Polaroid will record it that way. The finished
    mpeg is recorded "squeezed" anamorphically, and when re-encoded again,
    can be done without resizing the video for an anamorphic presentation.
    But, you have to set your HDTV receiver to the proper aspect ratio
    for this work, and it has be able to pass through, across the 480i
    connections. I'm lucky, in that on one of my hdtv receiver's (I have
    TWO) this works, while on another one, it doesn't. So, you have to
    test this out, and see for yourself.

    I could post a sample clip that I processed, using my setup, case
    anyone is curious about what the Polaroid can do.

    -vhelp 4205
    What kind of HDTV receiver? Are you using cable or satellite? How could I go about getting over-the-air HDTV fed into the Polaroid? Set-top box?
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    LS,

    I know I've mentined my setup before, but..
    The following are my equipment and setup:

    ** Antenna -> Hisense, USDigital USDTV DB-2010 -> Polaroid DRM-2001G
    ** [(G)(B)(R)] - [STEREO]

    A word of caution..
    Be sure you watch out for the Polaroid's component line up, with the
    hdtv equipment component's. They are not lined up as tipicle R/G/B.
    I made the mistake of connecting them wrong the first time I had
    set them up. See how they are utually lined up, below.

    So, as long as the color leads line up to their respective connectors,
    you should be fine. Here's how my equipment look.. note the color digits:

    ** Y:G Pb:B Pr:R <-- HDTV Receiver [component output]
    ** Y:G Cb:B Cr:R <-- Polaroid [component input]

    Unfortunately, my ABC station is shared by 4 or 5 other subchannels,
    and although picture break-up is minimal, it is determined at certain
    times of the day. Night time viewing works out best, with the least
    trouble if weather is favorable.

    I also have the: Pro Brand, Digital Stream HD3150Plus DTV
    receiver, but I don't really use it, except for tuning it stations,
    thanks to its "signal strength" numerical digital readout. It helps me
    fine-tune in stations prior to preparing my Hisense receiver.

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    were is the usb input as on the eltax 555 or denver 161 or PB ehr2080, its the same machine afaics, but they dont have TV guardian.....
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    "Hisense, USDigital USDTV DB-2010"

    Ouch.... $75-200 price? I can live with analog signals for now. If I drop more than $50, it'll be for something else.

    Thanks for the info, however.
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    Now I'm confused... I have seen several Polaroid DRM-2001G recorders listed on eBay lately - none of them listed a compnent input in their specifications. I even wrote one of the sellers who told me there is no component input... Is there a "dumbed down" version now being sold that does not include the coveted component input??

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    Originally Posted by lordsmurf
    "Hisense, USDigital USDTV DB-2010"

    Ouch.... $75-200 price? I can live with analog signals for now. If I drop more than $50, it'll be for something else.

    Thanks for the info, however.
    I'd say very good price, regular CATV box used to be in the same range just few years ago.
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    Why would I buy a cable box? It's included in the price of cable. I've never bought a cable box, not in 25 years of using cable. Even my DirecTV receivers only ran about $25-50 each, when I bought those off eBay years ago.
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    If you have more then one TV you had to get extra boxes to get all channels and properly aligned. Cable boxes were never free (rental) and more TV's means more boxes.
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    At the rate they charge, I'd have to use the same provider for at least 4-5 years for that investment to pay off. And then I'd have to expect the same provider to not change the system for those 5 years. But that's never happened for me. I change, they change, it all changes. I'd lose money on it.
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  16. next wrote

    The Polaroid also does not see "copy once" or "copy never" flags from cable systems. If you notice in the picture above the Polaroid sits on top of a Toshiba. Toshiba is notorious for picking up flags. With the Polaroid staged between the cable box and the Toshiba the Toshiba does not pick up any flags. Nor copy protection if I use the Polaroid as a filter to the Toshiba based on my link posted i'e. same results with the Toshiba when the Polaroid is used as a filter.

    Is this Saying that the Polariod Is Compleatly CP Free and Therefore can be used as a Filter For CP [All Forms]

    Right Out Of the Box
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    Do not confuse broadcast copy restrictions with those found on analog or optical media.
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  18. Correct. It looks like the Polaroid does not see the broadcast flags. I believe this is a big plus because we will be seeing a greater use of broadcast flags in the future.

    The Polaroid can copy most DVD's played into it. Most notable exception is Disney DVD's. Any DVD including Disney will play into the Polaroid for recording if you are using a Philips 642 (02/04 build date).

    The Polaroid does show CP alerts when using a VCR as a source with copy protected tapes.

    So it has what I would call "weak" copy protection. I'm only concerned about not seeing the broadcast flags which I think is a nice plus.
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    Greetings all,

    I just found one of the last 2001G's at my local WalMart in Connecticut and already replaced the remote's LED (great trick!).

    Has anyone come up with a way to replace the background image this unit uses when it creates navigation menus on DVDs? The POLAROID logo with text and image boxes in front of it looks TERRIBLE. I'm guessing this is burned into the firmware, but I'm hoping there's a hack or workaround.

    Any thoughts out there?

    Thanks in advance!

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    I'm on the euro model and bust the remote, just bought a kamelion 6 from one4all, despite the claims of this remote will never be obsolete, it wont my machine, which uses the same remote as the poloroid..........

    So, unless I edit this post and post a code, dont expect one4all to be much help if you fubar your remotes..........
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  21. When I referred to CP in my post I referred to all CP both analog and digital. [All at Present]

    I tried the Polaroid and found it to be most responsive to CP including a flag that is truly present and it did react to CP. At present many cable company’s do not pass a copy flag on. But they will. I feel the term “most” or “most notable” to be words that qualify these issues.

    Sure you can put a Phillip’s 642 in front of it and now the Polaroid doesn’t see CP because the 642 filtered it [But Not All] I can do the same with my old Apex 3201, but it only gets the analog MV on VHS tape.

    Now if I put one of my hacked LiteOn or ilo units that are Non Compliant in front of the Polaroid, It doesn’t see any CP including a flag
    If placed in front of any machine they will not see any CP

    The Polaroid is a very good unit but is not a CP filter.
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  22. Well let me put it this way. I'll use the first installment of Lord of the Rings as an example. From any DVD player:

    LOTR -> Toshiba KX50 = CP alert
    LOTR -> Toshiba KR2 = CP alert
    LOTR -> Magnavox MRV700 = CP alert
    LOTR -> Magnavoz MRV660 = CP alert
    LOTR -> LRM-519 = CP alert
    LOTR -> Panasonic es40v = CP alert
    LOTR -> Samsung R100 = CP alert

    Now with the Polaroid. Again from any DVD player:

    LOTR -> Polaroid -> Toshiba KX50 = No CP alert
    LOTR -> Polaroid -> Toshiba KR2 = No CP alert
    LOTR -> Polaroid -> Magnavox MRV700 = No CP alert
    LOTR -> Polaroid -> Magnavoz MRV660 = No CP alert
    LOTR -> Polaroid -> LRM-519 = No CP alert
    LOTR -> Polaroid -> Panasonic es40v = No CP alert
    LOTR -> Polaroid -> Samsung R100 = No CP alert

    Does this work with all DVD's. No but with many if not most. It has what I call "weak" copy protection. Not perfect. But "weak" CP.

    If not a filter then call it what you like. I really don't care. I call it a filter.

    Additional results here:

    http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8580836&&#post8580836

    Also using the Toshiba as an example with copy protected cable:

    Cable Box On Demand -> Toshiba = CP alert
    Cable Box On Demand -> Polaroid -> Toshiba -> No CP alert

    Does this work with all cable channels , On Demand, and Pay per View. Yes.

    If not a filter then call it what you like. I really don't care. I call it a filter.
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    I just wanted to say thanks for all this.
    I've been working every hour I was awake, and I might
    have missed out. But you did such a nich job, thanks should be said.
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  24. Fry's has this Seagate 300 GB PATA drive for $89.95. Five year warranty. I saw it in their store for the same as the online price.

    http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4596277
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    Well as some of you might have read, I started a thread afew months back and I was trying to choose between a Liteon and this Polaroid, well I had 266 saved towards a new rec after my Phillips died (keeping with it over 100 hrs of shows GRR). Well I still hadn tbought anything until yesterday. Was at a Pawn shop and they had this model for 60 bucks. So far only bad thing is teh remote which I read about changing the sensor so I plan to try and do that. Havent rec a disc yet but gonna try that out tonight as well.

    So for those looking, check Pawn Shops. They also had some for 200 which I didn tlook at the model number but htey looked the same. I;m abit worried as to why this one was 60. But my sister says I am over thinking.
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    up until last week all my PVR recording was done via a tuner capture card 'PCIMA' on my 2gighz laptop

    last week i picked up the wal-mart special RCA model 8030N

    yeah different thread

    what i would like to see for the pol or other unit is a HACK to allow access to the HD from the PC, like is done with TiVo's, where a program is place on the drive and a USB port added for access

    anybody know what the NATIVE format of the HD is and how about an a program for winXP to allow access to the drive to read files,

    even if we have to pop the drive out, or install ca cable jumper so there is a IDE port on the exterior, a program to read the files to the PC and convert there would be neat, even better transfer downloaded & re-encoded format to the HD with out having to burn a DVD on the PC

    what happens to the filtering if you put the retail DVD in the polaroid and copy to the HD, I suspect , it is not filtered and you cannot copy the disc .. I only have one recorder this one, but i do have a cyberhome DVD player , i could try using it as a player and feeding the polaroid to record

    i'll have to go check my to wallmarts and see if either one has the 2001G, for the $20 difference I'll take the RCA back and get the Polaroid recorder

    what is depth of the polaroid, i do have cabinet space problems, and since these are permanent fixtures in my RV, they are NOT easily moded to make more space, if it is too deep I will not be able to clsoe the cabinet & latch it to keep the recorder inside when moving the RV
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    The big question is what OS or filesystem does the Polaroid use. It may use one of those more obscure Linux OS.
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    I asked this on another thread, so please excuse if this is an annoying duplicate question...

    I have video slections on the HD that I want to transfer to DVD. I selected the video from the HD list, pushed Add/Select and received an error: "There is not a recordable disc!"

    I am using DVD-R which is supported by the 2001G according to the manual. Is this not correct? Do I have to use DVD+R or DVD+RW???

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    I may have missed this, but has anyone found a replacement HDD that is a (physical) exact replacement for the 80gb? (Trying to avoid the outboard HDD appearance.)

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    That I know of the only discs you can use on the 2100G is +R and +RW discs.
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