iPhone

[JohnnyMalaria]

I just caught the last part where he says iPhone runs OS10

not that I'm a Mac fan of any sort but that's gotta be impressive 8)

I fail to see why.

Windows CE has been running on handheld devices for *years*

There's a big difference: W CE has absolutely nothing in common with other Windows (like XP) versions more than the name and looks - but the iPhone OS really is a close relative to the OS10 used to run Macs.

/Mats

Not true. The programming APIs for Windows CE are almost identical to other Windows flavours. In fact, whenever I look up documentation about DirectShow programming, I end up reading Microsoft's CE documentation.

[DereX888]

I just caught the last part where he says iPhone runs OS10

not that I'm a Mac fan of any sort but that's gotta be impressive 8)

I fail to see why.

Windows CE has been running on handheld devices for *years*

There's a big difference: W CE has absolutely nothing in common with other Windows (like XP) versions more than the name and looks - but the iPhone OS really is a close relative to the OS10 used to run Macs.

/Mats

Not true. The programming APIs for Windows CE are almost identical to other Windows flavours. In fact, whenever I look up documentation about DirectShow programming, I end up reading Microsoft's CE documentation.

You can't discuss with Mac person such sensitive issues... its already shame on Jobs he didn't enter phone world before Gates did, and now you want them to admit this iphone is nothing special? Oh come on You may get lynched here

Apple is great advertising company with excellent brainwashing tactics (aka marketing). Just lok at their ipods - one of most limited mp3 players on the market, yet still selling well (although in USA only, but so are all other Apple consumer products).
This phone, even if it had full OSX with separate unix and linux of your choice partitions, is far from what Apple already brainwashed their fanbois and dumb masses ("revolutionizing the way people use phones" hahahahaha)... but yeah, I can imagine one of the reasons why it should be popular among 15-20yo boys: rubbing the screen with your finger reminds of similar sexual activity so much, that I bet it will get apropiate naming soon
I rather talk to any of my 'dumb windows phones' than masturbate some iphone, but again - maybe its just me

[oldandinthe way]

Let's see a phone without a keypad. A PDA without a keyboard. A touch screen with common technology with the Ipod whose screen scratches without needing to be touched all the time.

A low-fi music player with limited storage. A low resolution small screen video device with limited storage.

No phone service in rural areas.

A $500 price tag. And if history is any guide failures soon after the warranty expires.

Sounds like a hit to me.

[DereX888]

Let's see a phone without a keypad. A PDA without a keyboard. A touch screen with common technology with the Ipod whose screen scratches without needing to be touched all the time.

A low-fi music player with limited storage. A low resolution small screen video device with limited storage.

No phone service in rural areas.

A $500 price tag. And if history is any guide failures soon after the warranty expires.

Sounds like a hit to me.

yet I bet it'll sell like hot cakes (in USA of course, nowhere else)

Also read my words again when it comes out in retail:
They will lower down the retail price as much as $50 or maybe even $100, just to deepen the brainwashing tactics ("oh, its not THAT expensive as we thought..." and the fanbois will eat it with the spoon)

[mats.hogberg]

The programming APIs for Windows CE are almost identical to other Windows flavours. In fact, whenever I look up documentation about DirectShow programming, I end up reading Microsoft's CE documentation.

Could you please show me how to compile Windows XP to run on an ARM processor?
That some APIs are identical doesn't make the code identical.
For the record, I'm not a Mac fanatic - in fact, I own not a single piece of neither harware nor software (well, OK, an old version of iTunes, then!) made by Apple.

/Mats

[JohnnyMalaria]

http://msdn.microsoft.com/virtuallabs/winxpembed/

"Windows CE is a small footprint, componentized, hard real-time, embedded operating system that runs on multiple processor architectures (ARM, MIPS, SH4, x86). Being componentized means that developers have the freedom to create a customized operating system that fits the needs for their embedded device. Windows CE offers the familiar Win32, MFC, and .NET managed application frameworks that are also used to develop applications for desktop, server, and mobile devices."

[mats.hogberg]

Than you, but I know what W CE is.

/Mats

[MJA]

switching to a crappy carrier for just an expansive Phone is stupid

[RLT69]

They also infringe on the 1981 agreement between Apple records and themselves not to sell music,I guess if they make enough money it doesn't matter:
http://www.legalzoom.com/articles/article_content/article11325.html
Here's what irks me:Steve Jobs infringes on trademark/copyrights and gets away with it while Bill Gates adds his free media player/browser with every OS and the EU cries monopoly.

Do some research would you. Apple Computers was sued over infringement by Apple Corps LTD and Apple Computers won the case:

"In the latest dispute, the English High Court handed down a judgment on May 8, 2006 in favour of Apple Computer."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v._Apple_Computer

How the frell did they get away with anything when it went to court and the judge ruled in Apple Computer's favor?

Get your facts straight. Steve Jobs/Apple Computers aren't getting away with anything. Cisco is suing Apple over the iPhone name. Steve Jobs is being investigated over stock options.

Where exactly is the free pass Steve Jobs and Apple have been given? Fantasy Land?

"Bill Gates adds his free media player/browser with every OS and the EU cries monopoly."

Nice line Microsoft fanboy. Yeah it's really a simple case of Microsoft trying to give away free programs to the masses. How very Robin Hood of them. I mean it's not like Microsoft didn't try to stifle competition or prevent competition or prevent people from having a choice, see ODF [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument]. Microsoft is all about people's best interests.

:P

[DereX888]

For the record, I'm not a Mac fanatic - in fact, I own not a single piece of neither harware nor software (well, OK, an old version of iTunes, then! <<<-gotcha!>> ) made by Apple.

/Mats

its allright, you can come out of the closet now...
We all like apples (and oranges, and bananas, and whatever )

[JohnnyMalaria]

Than you, but I know what W CE is.

/Mats

Then please accept my apologies - I'm obviously being rather thick.

How is an iPhone running embedded OS X exempt from the same expectations you place on embedded Windows (Windows CE - for ARM - or Windows XP Embedded - for x86 embedded solutions?)

Or should I just bend over and let Steve Jobs, well, job me?

I suppose every Mac nut will go ga-ga over the expectation that "Apple now has an embedded OS based on Mac OS X that allows them to do just about anything in small devices" ( http://www.codepoetry.net/2007/01/14/the_new_embedded_mac_os_x ) and casually overlook the fact that Microsoft has been providing a variety of embedded forms of Windows for more than a decade (usually without the end-user being aware of it - which is how it should be). A striking parallel, methinks, with the fact that Microsoft provided a true protected, pre-emptive multitasking OS a decade prior, too.

I'll get the gloves and Vaseline....

[DereX888]

"Bill Gates adds his free media player/browser with every OS and the EU cries monopoly."

Nice line Microsoft fanboy. Yeah it's really a simple case of Microsoft trying to give away free programs to the masses. How very Robin Hood of them. I mean it's not like Microsoft didn't try to stifle competition or prevent competition or prevent people from having a choice, see ODF [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument]. Microsoft is all about people's best interests.

:P

Hey, Robin had to steal from rich before he could give to the poor
I dont actually mind Microsoft robbing blind all the corporations...

I'll get the gloves and Vaseline....

and what exactly you want to do with mats.hogberg and vaseline?

[MOVIEGEEK]

[quote="DereX888"]


Hey, Robin had to steal from rich before he could give to the poor
I dont actually mind Microsoft robbing blind all the corporations...

[/qoute]

Maybe MSFT stock will be as high as AAPL then.

As for Apple winning that case in Britain...it's being appealed in February:
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0612sec10q.html
What part of "not to enter the music business" does Steve Jobs not understand?

[DereX888]

[quote="MOVIEGEEK"]

Hey, Robin had to steal from rich before he could give to the poor
I dont actually mind Microsoft robbing blind all the corporations...

[/qoute]

Maybe MSFT stock will be as high as AAPL then.

with multiple splits, man, 100 at least

As for Apple winning that case in Britain...it's being appealed in February:
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0612sec10q.html
What part of "not to enter the music business" does Steve Jobs not understand?

Well...
"Your Honor, would you really consider short, 4-minute-long *ringtone* a MUSIC?" :O
"The old agreement with Apple Music doesn't specify computer-distributed cellullar phone *ringtones* in AAC, MP3 or any other format..."
...
"Exactly, I didn't think so either... thank you, case dismissed"

[ssj2_goha]

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2401

I think apple Inc. (Apple computers) and apple Corps have worked it out and the whole "not to enter the music industy" deal is a thing of the past.

[InXess]

...
Well...
"Your Honor, would you really consider short, 4-minute-long *ringtone* a MUSIC?" :O
"The old agreement with Apple Music doesn't specify computer-distributed cellullar phone *ringtones* in AAC, MP3 or any other format..."
...
"Exactly, I didn't think so either... thank you, case dismissed"

You better believe it, as this all hangs on definitions they used in settlement agreement between 2 Apple's. Not the way average Joe understands it...

[pchan]

Wouldn't Cisco is sueing Apple for using the iPhone name without paying royalty. aPhone sounds nice ?

[oldandinthe way]

Given the fact that the stock market is broken and has been for years, AAPL stock has little to do with the performance of Apple Inc.

It only indicates the attitude of wall street traders to the company. It can go down without any cause just as it has gone up without cause.

Wall Street when comparing iTunes downloads to CD sales counts one song download=1 CD sold, and then tells us Apple ranks #3 in music sales. Fanboys live on Wall Street - its how they make their living.

[JohnnyMalaria]

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0612sec10q.html

My, oh my.

For a company that has developed a reputation for quality design of consumer electronics, there are some quite spectacular design failures listed - and not just frivolous ones. Safety ones.

[RabidDog]

I'm surprised they have pre-announced it so early.. this gives their rivals 6 months (not a massive amount of time) to bring out their own response, either cheaper or better. I ilike the iphone, its the kick up the ass the other companies need. However I would be happy with a good phone/v good camera combo, no portable music.. . the price will lower dramatically once real competition sets in and the early biters have been fleeced.
the fact it runs OS10 is impresssive and bodes well for a Linux port..

[oldandinthe way]

The cynic thinks they announced it early to deflect attention from Steve Job's backdating scandal. Even their Wall Street syncopants were getting uneasy and the stock was beginning to be pressured.

As for OS-X they need to use it for something after the last MACs are discontinued.

[RLT69]

The cynic thinks they announced it early to deflect attention from Steve Job's backdating scandal. Even their Wall Street syncopants were getting uneasy and the stock was beginning to be pressured.

How exactly is that suppose to work?

It won't stop the investigation. It won't stop the Wall Street Journal and other news outlets from reporting on it. If evidence of wrong doing comes to light and/or criminal proceedings, that would be front page headlines.

The point is a new product line is not going to hush up bad news about backdating stock options.

I think a more rational explanation is Apple is trying to pressure cisco. Bringing the iPhone name to market forces cisco's hand. It also, dilutes the name iPhone, because honestly noone knew cisco had a product called iPhone.

Then again it could've been planned all along between cisco and Apple. Cisco gets MAJOR PR over their iPhone product because, again, noone knew about it. Apple gets it's PR and then gratiously changes the name of their product.

Everybody wins.


:P

[oldandinthe way]

The Wall Street Journal would like to give Jobs a "get out of jail free card" and makes no bones about it.

Their technology columnist Mossberg wrote the least critical review of iPhone I have seen. But his reviews of Apple products are always supportive - the biggest "fanboy".

The "investigation" is not a real issue to anyone the stock price is. So far there is no evidence that Jobs is a target of an investigation - just press conjecture. Other CEOs who did not personally benefit from backdating have been indicted on less evidence than that disclosed by the Apple director's report.

As for your paranoid conspiracy between Cisco and Apple - the negotiations broke down because Cisco wanted a license to build products which inter-operate with Apple in return for the trademark license. That might mean money for Cisco and runs counter to Job's "end-to-end" strategy.

This is all about PR and Apple needed it now.

[DereX888]

Yes, I thought the same.
Such early announcement of a product is not Apple's normal way of doing things. They are always tight lipped to the last day before the Premiere Day of a New Product, heck, they even sued bloggers and whomever they could in the past just for writing too many details about upcoming products...
Its not their style.
Hence I sensed unusual disturbance in The Force
Wall Street pressure might be just it.


Just interesting OT note:

So let's recap... Apple is working on the mother of all convergence. /.../ The lines that separate consumer electronics and computers are starting to fade. The lines between cyberspace and computer space are fading. The lines between platforms are also starting to fade. /.../ Slowly, Apple is preparing for world-wide domination. Really, I'm not joking. In five years or less, Windows will not be the top operating system. MacOS will be. Take my word for it. Buy AAPL while you can...

This excerpt was written in 1999 (full text here)
Most of it happend - but with freaking WINDOWS PCs, not MACs, and its the Microsoft that indeed dominates world, while Apple runs Intel now...
I wonder how much have one lost by buying AAPL instead of MSFT back then? LOL