DVD-R video issue with Toshiba SD6200

[pcnoob101]

I have always burned movies on CD-Rs using image files. My Toshiba sd6200 can't read this format so I play these movies using a cheap Apex player. Recently, I have been trying to burn multiple movie image files onto one DVD-R using alcohol 120%, mpeg-vcr, and DVDLab.

When I put one of these DVD-Rs into the Apex player it works fine. When I try to play it on my toshiba, the image shows up, twice. I get the full picture and then half of a second picture to the right of it. Does anyone know how I can correct this problem? If you need more info please ask and I can clarify. Thanks.

[pcnoob101]

Is there a technical term for the problem I am having?

[pcnoob101]

If the dvd plays fine on a cheap player but the video is messed up on a nice player (toshiba sd62000) is there a way I can try to troubleshoot it, or is it likely a compatibility issue and the dvds will never play properly?

[oldandinthe way]

Excellent chance that an older, more expensive DVD player will have greater compatibility probems than a newer cheap commodity player. There is also a greater chance that it will not accept disks burned on cheap media.

You can try using TY or other high priced media to burn, and it might work. Or you might have an insoluble compatibility problem.

[lordsmurf]

I doubt it is the fault of the player, oldandintheway.

Usually Toshiba is more strict to the spec. More likely than not, the DVDs being made are not 100% compliant DVD-Video spec discs.

It could also be a problem of using inferior quality DVD blanks. See www.nomorecoasters.com

[pcnoob101]

What do you mean by "compliant DVD-Video spec discs"? Are there settings on my dvd player I can change to make it play? Are there settings I can change in the software I'm using to author and burn the DVDs? I am new to this stuff and not sure where to begin.

[lordsmurf]

The player plays DVD-Video specification discs.

How are you making your DVDs? You may be encoding with wrong settings, or using the wrong burning method (need to use UDF or UDF/ISO, not ISO).

[pcnoob101]

First I download a movie that is split into two bin/cue images. I use alcohol 120% to load the two images onto virtual drives which I can then open with womble mpeg-vcr. I merge the .mpg files that I got from the images and save them as a single mpeg-2 program stream.

Then I open the saved file with DVDLab and allow it to demultiplex the file into an .mpv and .mpa file. I do this with a second movie and compile the DVD, after creating a simple menu, which gives me a Video_TS and Audio_TS folder. Then I burn the Video_TS folder to a DVD-R with ImgBurn.

Is there something I should doing differently to get these movie image files onto a DVD? Would I get better results with other steps or other software?

[oldandinthe way]

The strict to spec issue seems to be one which is typical of earlyJapanese built DVD equipment.

I have many years of experience with electronics specifications and there are often opportunities for differing interpretations of the specification and what is complient and what isn't. This is why certain brands of Wifi gear do not perform well together, and why many Japanese DVD players will not play DVD burned DVDs which are playable on PCs and other brands of DVD player.

These problems come from checking aspects of the spec which were poorly defined or not defined, or not intended for enforcement. Specs for optical storage have historically had large areas which were loose due to allow for the wide variations which have existed in media manufacturing.

Lord Smurf, you may choose to place the blame wherever you feel comfortable. Given the minority status of the Toshiba player in the marketplace, I blame the player. I have had similar problems with old SONYs as well. In an earlier time they might have been acceptable but today they are just idiosyncratic obsolete equipment.

[robertazimmerman]

"In an earlier time they might have been acceptable but today they are just idiosyncratic obsolete equipment."

Nonsense! The picture quality of the 6200 will blow away most current DVD players.

Roberta

[lordsmurf]

Given the minority status of the Toshiba player in the marketplace, I blame the player.

Forgive my frankness, but what the hell does market share have to do with anything in this discussion?

Toshiba may not whore out 15 new models per month like some companies do, but they have a long standing in releasing quality players and recorders. Some have quirks (mostly just the early recorders), but the overwhelming majority are solid machines. It's hard to beat a Toshiba DVD player, in any capacity (build, specs, image, audio, etc).

On the scale of likely problems, the model of player comes in near dead last. A problem with his or her exact player, on the other hand, may be an issue (dust, dirt, cigarette/cigar/drug smoke, power surges, etc). But those are further down the list too, from the ones I listed earlier (media and specs).

I can appreciate people trying to help each other, but blaming anything older than 1 month in age is getting to be a silly habit online.

[oldandinthe way]

Market share has everything to do with this discussion.

The purpose of standards is maximal compatibility between equipment and software.

Equipment which is not compatible through the efforts of its manufacturer, either deliberately or through inadequate management of development is contrary to the goal of standards. When a vendor who is insignificant in the market exhibits compatibility problems, they alone bear the blame for incompatibility.


The model of player is unfortuantely everything to do with the most common problems faced by user, exceeded only by the model of DVD-writer they burn their media on.

There is far less bad media, than you think, and far fewer peieces of software which fail to meet the appropriate standards. There are DVD players and writers which make assumptions which are not in the standard. Like requiring an "unused" field in a control structure to be Zero, rather than ignoring the value of an "unused field".

Age of equipment is an issue because even Toshiba and SONY have had to change the implementations in their players to avoid product returns. New SONY and Toshiba equipment ARE more compatible than older models.

It really doesn't matter if a DVD player lasts 100 years if it can't play the DVDs its owner wants to play. And the picture quality on the original poster's DVDs is non-existant.

A good player displays any DVD you wish to view. Better players may be higher picture quality (which could be another argument), or more reliable. If it don't play the movie, its NO GOOD.

In my opinion, similarly, DVD writers which only work with a small sample of the media available today are NO GOOD.

[pcnoob101]

My media is fujifilm which appears to be decent media. Is there anything wrong with the way Im making the DVDs? What can I do to find out what actually is causing my problem?

[lordsmurf]

I'm sorry, oldandintheway, but I just really don't think you know what you're talking about. Your generalities about age and market share are far to broad to be realistic.

The easy solutin here it to try a DVD somebody else has burned (somebody NOT using the same media and software), and see how that goes. Only then can you start to consider if the player is at fault.

But in the list of what could be wrong, the DVD player is lower down than media and software. And there is LOTS of sub-par media out there.

[pcnoob101]

The sd6200 has never played svcd movies burned to CD-R. I guess burning svcds to dvdr should be no different. When I put the dvdr with svcd movies into the sd6200 I saw video, formatted strangely on the screen. The sd6200 never recognized the CD-Rs, so I guess I was confused. But if the player can't recognize svcds, then it shouldn't recognize svcd formatted movies burned to dvdr and the problem is just that my player cant recognize the svcd format, right? Does this make sense? If I try to convert the svcds to dvd, and then compile them onto a dvdr should that work?

[robertazimmerman]

PostPosted: Dec 31, 2006 16:19
The sd6200 has never played svcd movies burned to CD-R. I guess burning svcds to dvdr should be no different. When I put the dvdr with svcd movies into the sd6200 I saw video, formatted strangely on the screen. The sd6200 never recognized the CD-Rs, so I guess I was confused. But if the player can't recognize svcds, then it shouldn't recognize svcd formatted movies burned to dvdr and the problem is just that my player cant recognize the svcd format, right? Does this make sense? If I try to convert the svcds to dvd, and then compile them onto a dvdr should that work?

Converting SVCDs to the DVD format will work and there's software out there that will do the job for you. You are correct in saying that the SD6200 does not play SVCDs. There is another format (XVCD) that the Toshiba can read. Back in the old days, I recorded a few disks using a 3600kbit rate and the result was decent. I don't think the 6200 can handle a higher bitrate.

With the cost of a blank DVD-R at $0.20 to $0.40, I can't imagine why anyone would entertain using these formats any more.

R