MultiSystem VCR's Pal Playback Is Colorless? Anyway To Fix?

[INeedMoney]

Buy a multisystem vcr for $20 on craigslist and expect this but is there anyway to see my pal tapes in color? The tapes play clearly and I'm running the res, yellow, and white cord from the multisys vcr to my dvd recorder which is connected to my tv but the pictures are all colorless. It's a mitsubishi HS-MS7 and when I talked to the customer support person from Mitsubishi they told me I needed an rf adapter and the color was being thrown off by the RYW cord but I think she doesn't know what she was talking about. She was supposed to send me to someone else but I was on-hold so long I left my number to be called back and guess what? 24+ not a friggin peep. anyone got any suggestions?

[guns1inger]

PAL played back through an NTSC system will be B&W and may also exhibit scrolling. Is your DVDR mutli-system or able to accept the input from the VCR correctly. The VCR could be outputting either true PAL, NTSC 2.58 (NTSC with a PAL carrier ?) or NTSC 4.43. Your DVDR might only be able to receive on of these correctly.

[INeedMoney]

Thanks for the help here. I know all these multisystem vcr's /I see going on ebay to played on an American NTSC tv can't be playing in black and white. My dvd recorder is a vcr/ dvd-recorder combo. It accepts the red, yellow, white cord connection but the vcr is from Japan and it doesn't have U.S. regular coaxial cables but rf input/ output (what a U.S. vcr has but inverted to where our cords can't connect at all). I'm going to buy an rf adapter/ connector Friday if I find that's what I need. The output is definately Pal but i don't know if the JVC vcr-dvd recorder can only accept ntsc type signals. It's an ave I'll inquire about.

[hech54]

99% of DVD Recorders cannot record the incorrect/quasi signal thrown out by these multisystem machines.
Have you tried hooking the multisystem directly to your TV?

[INeedMoney]

Damn that sucks. I haven't connected it to my tv yet because I need to buy an rf adpater. If this holds true for dvd-recorders I take it it's far less for actual tv's?

[hech54]

Not necessarily.....but it playing on your TV almost perfectly will not help in your cause to record....

My guess it that it will indeed play on your TV almost perfectly. Multisystem players "fool or trick" your TV into thinking it is a true NTSC signal by creating a quasi signal. DVD Recorders however cannot be fooled.

Multisystem players are pretty cheap nowadays....a true converting VCR will set you back upwards of $500....with that machine(I have one), you can convert between PAL and NTSC and record away.

To do a conversion for myself(since my converting VCR is in America and I am in Europe now)....I just record to DVD in the VHS tape's native format....place that DVD in my Thomson DVD Player....it converts on the fly like my Aiwa MV-100 VCR....and switch the output that way. In other words...my DVD player is also a true converting machine like my Aiwa MV-100 VCR back home.

[INeedMoney]

Thanks guns1inger and hech54. Looks like i'm going to sell this on ebay then. Hech54 can you give a guy some listing description advice? I want to make it clear to anyone who wants to buy it that while they'll be able to view pal tapes on their tv they likely wont be able to record them using a dvd-recorder vcr and tell them what the name of this type of multisystem vcr and your type is that they'd need for that is.

[hech54]

I would just telll them the truth.....that it is a multisystem VCR that allows you to view PAL tapes. Go to the manufacturers website, copy and paste the specs and be done with it.
You can explain till you are blue-in-the-face what the machine cannot do....but in all honesty....would that have completely deterred you from buying it? You would have thought he was a nutball who did not use it correctly....
I mean no offence by that by the way....I was once in the same boat that you are in right now only I never bought a multisystem....I bought the "Big Boy".
Even I cannot record an NTSC tape through my VCRs to a true NTSC signal here in Europe. European VCRs automatically output a quasi signal with NTSC tapes....but at least we can "view" a tape from anywhere in the world. So if someone sends me an NTSC tape....I'm just as screwed as you are with your PAL tape in America as far as recording it to DVD goes...I cannot do it either with the equipment I have here.

[fltk]

If the VCR is a true multisystem one, then the signal it delievers will be genuine PAL, not pseudo PAL. Your TV however should be able to handle PAL or else the picture will be black and white.

[hech54]

. Your TV however should be able to handle PAL

WRONG.

[fltk]

. Your TV however should be able to handle PAL

WRONG.

Absolutely not wrong. You cannot view PAL on an NTSC TV.

[guns1inger]

Most NTSC TVs will not play PAL material, just as the majority of NTSC players do not play PAL discs. This is slowly changing, but unless it is a multi-system TV as well, it won't accept the PAL signal.

[hech54]

Hey fltk....if you do not know what you are talking about
please stop posting stupidity here and confusing new people.
They have a hard enough time as it is.
Do you even realize that you contradicted your own WRONG statement?

[fltk]

Hey fltk....if you do not know what you are talking about
please stop posting stupidity here and confusing new people.
They have a hard enough time as it is.
Do you even realize that you contradicted your own WRONG statement?

Seems to me that you don´t know what you´re talking about.
As I said in my first posting, when the VCR outputs PAL then the TV should be able to handle PAL. I underlined this in my second posting.

[hech54]

NOTHING in the U.S. accepts PAL....what part of that don't you understand?

[fltk]

Every multisystem VCRs and TV sets accept PAL - also in the U.S. We are not talking about converting, but playback.

[hech54]

Every multisystem VCRs and TV sets accept PAL - also in the U.S. We are not talking about converting, but playback.

Only one problem numbnut...NONE of the TV's or VCR's sold
in America are multisystem....they are NTSC only.
Again...what part of America is NTSC only don't you understand?

[fltk]

Two years ago I bought a multisystem VCR in the U.S. It playes everything, PAL, SECAM, NTSC, you name it - on any TV set all around the world, and records in any TV norm as well. Bought it to playback my PAL and NTSC tapes to record on my PC. Works flawless.
You understand that.
If you have ever been in the U.S. you would surely know how wrong you are.

[hech54]

hech54
Joined: 26 Jul 2001
Location: Yank in Europe

If you have ever been in the U.S. you would surely know how wrong you are.

I was born and raised there.....and now I've lived in Germany for almost 4 years.
NO VCR sold in America can play PAL tapes.
NO TV sold in America can view a PAL signal.
Multisystem VCR's output a quasi signal that DVD Recorders CANNOT record.
You have a multisystem VCR....and you are going to a PC...that is different and NOT
what this thread is about.

[fltk]

[quote="hech54
I was born and raised there [/quote]

Then you should know that I´m right. A multisystem VCR records and outputs a true signal. Almost any ORDINARY VCR sold in Europe is able to output a quasi signal - that doesn´t require a multisystem VCR.
And again you´re wrong - a PC requires a true signal and will never accept a quasi signal.

[turk690]

to hech54, that's not completely accurate. B&H photo/video, for example, does have a line of PAL items. As expected, the range is limited but I suppose it's intended for those who specifically need, say, a PAL VTR for some reason and do not want to have to trudge (or mail order) all the way to Europe to get it. Some VTRs being sold in the USA also play back, and output 625/50, even if they are not so marked (like some Sony DV VTRs & most Sony mini-DV camcorders). Lastly, ALL front projectors can and do display PAL signals correctly.

[hech54]

Then you should know that I´m right. A multisystem VCR records and outputs a true signal.

http://www.dvdoverseas.com/vcr.htm

Note: Most Multisystem VCR's do not play PAL/Secam format video from overseas on a standard US NTSC TV. To view Pal/Secam video tapes on an American TV(NTSC), either you need a multisystem VCR built-in converter or a standalone video system converter with any of our multi system video recorders.

http://www.220-electronics.com/VCR/vcrorig.htm

All our multi system VCR’s play Pal, NTSC, and Secam standards on a Multi System or PAL TV. However if you would like to playback PAL (overseas) cassettes on a NTSC (US) TV, you will need a multi system VCR and a standalone Video converter, or you can buy our multi system VCR with built in video converter.

http://www.world-import.com/vcr.htm

Better quality name brand VCRs like Sony, JVC, Hitachi, Panasonic, Toshiba and Sharp VCRs require a video converter or a TV that matches the video format of your VHS movie. i.e., You will need a PAL TV to play a PAL VHS movie or a NTSC TV to play a NTSC VHS movie.

....still wrong.

[fltk]

All our multi system VCR’s play Pal, NTSC, and Secam standards on a Multi System or PAL TV.

Thank you for finally giving me credit. That was just what I said in the first posting (the TV should be able to handle PAL)

I´ll stop here and now, but I´ll suggest you go back to school for a while and when you come back you can give credit for what you´ve learned from this thread.

[hech54]

All our multi system VCR’s play Pal, NTSC, and Secam standards on a Multi System or PAL TV.

You are a complete and total numbnut and a wackjob. We are talking about a PAL VHS tape in America and now you say "All of OUR multi system vcrs"....you are in Denmark you idiot. You've never lived in America and have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
So are you talking about a European VCR or this supposed Multisystem VCR you purchased in America? Because those are two completely different things as well.

I´ll stop here and now

Before you embarass yourself anymore or inject more confusion into this thread? Thank You.....that was my suggestion in the first place.



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THIS is the VCR I own....it is NOT a multisystem VCR....it is a Converting VCR.....you can tell by the $699 price:

http://www.freetradephoto.com/AiwaMX-100Pal-NTSCVCRConverter.htm


Aiwa MX-100 Pal-NTSC VCR/Converter
This machine will output a PAL tape as TRUE PAL or TRUE NTSC.
This machine will output an NTSC tape as TRUE NTSC or TRUE PAL.
This machine will record in either TRUE NTSC or TRUE PAL.
This machine is incapable of outputting a quasi signal. You must choose
an output format or the previous output format will be selected for you.

These machines exist because ordinary multisystem VCRs DO NOT
output a genuine signal when playing a tape from a different format.
Plain and simple fact.

[INeedMoney]

Hmm, I just thought of something. While i'm screwed in terms of converting the stuff to dvd, could I conceivably, get one of those red, yellow, and white cords that plug into a computer and capture the videos that way in color?

[guns1inger]

Most likely not. Again, most of the capture cards will not capture PAL 60 or hybrid signals (I believe there might be one or two uncommon ones that do). I suspect you will find you are still in the same situation.

[hech54]

Hmm, I just thought of something. While i'm screwed in terms of converting the stuff to dvd, could I conceivably, get one of those red, yellow, and white cords that plug into a computer and capture the videos that way in color?

Just a thought:
Have you tried a sample recording to DVD via the VCR you bought?
I would try a simple 5 or 10 minute recording to your DVD recorder, finalize
(if applicable) then play that DVD in your computer.
You may be lucky (like me) and own a DVD recorder that can record
either NTSC or PAL(as long as it is a genuine signal and not a quasi) via
the RCA connectors.
Make sure you use a brand new disc though.
You may end up with at least a PAL format DVD.

[INeedMoney]

I tried that. It still came out colorless and when I ripped mpg's it was that way as well. Thanks for all the help. I got it fo $20 and can likely sell it for way more. I though a multi-system vcr did what your converter did but now I kjnow to state for those like me who didn't know, this is only a multisystem vcr that'll allow you to view pal/ secam on your american tv not a converter that you could use to make dvd copies of the tapes. I have a friend I'll have to send the tapes to to be converted to dvd.

[fltk]

[quote="hech54"]

All our multi system VCR’s play Pal, NTSC, and Secam standards on a Multi System or PAL TV.

Don´t you read your own postings? The text above is from your own qoute from 220-electronics.com.

This thread is about playing back a PAL tape. Off course this requires a TV that can handle PAL to watch this in color. All multisystem VCRs can play back PAL on a TV that can handle PAL, play back NTSC on a TV that can handle NTSC and so on. No need for converting.

I have two PCI capture cards in my PC. A Dazzle DVCII and a Hauppauge WinTV PVR250. Both acceps true ( and only true) PAL and NTSC signals, which my JVC multisystem recorder outputs.

Besides that, I never wrote I´m in Denmark, only I´m from Denmark.

[hech54]

I tried that. It still came out colorless and when I ripped mpg's it was that way as well. Thanks for all the help.

No problem.
And sorry for all of the confusing information that appeared here
while you were gone. You can PM me if you wish if you need any clarification
on anything.

I am presently waiting for a PAL DV tape from another American
who is in the same boat as you. He asked me to transfer it to DVD
for him so he can at least view the footage on a computer.
He doesn't want it in mpeg format though....just as raw/uncompressed .avi format....BIG files indeed....

Good Luck to ya'
Don't take any wooden nickels....or PAL VHS tapes....