How to add permanent subtitles with AutoGK and convert to AVI DivX or XviD

[manono]

Hi-

isn't there any other way to add subs cause when i press ctrl f8 nothing happens

Did you load the AVI first? Are you using a reasonably recent version of AutoGK?

[Drowbert]

maybe i am a newbie but i dont get what's wrong but i have no sound. i get a file that is 0 kb big
[2008-02-21 14:29:43] Format: AVI
[2008-02-21 14:29:43] Target size: 1400Mb
[2008-02-21 14:29:43] Audio 1 settings: Auto
[2008-02-21 14:29:43] Started encoding.
[2008-02-21 14:29:43] Source resolution: 640x352
[2008-02-21 14:29:43] Source fps: 23,976
[2008-02-21 14:29:43] Output will contain 167697 frames
[2008-02-21 14:29:43] Demuxing audio.
[2008-02-21 14:30:22] Preparing subtitles.
[2008-02-21 14:30:22] Audio1 size: 111,701,760 bytes (106.53 Mb)
[2008-02-21 14:30:22] Overhead: 1,991,424 bytes (1.90 Mb)
[2008-02-21 14:30:22] Video size: 1,354,313,216 bytes (1291.57 Mb)
[2008-02-21 14:30:22] Running compressibility test.
[2008-02-21 14:32:30] Duration was: 2 minutes 8 seconds
[2008-02-21 14:32:30] Speed was: 65,24 fps.
[2008-02-21 14:32:30] Compressibility percentage is: 163,65
[2008-02-21 14:32:30] Switching b-frames off
[2008-02-21 14:32:30] Chosen resolution is: 640x352 ( AR: 1,82 )
[2008-02-21 14:32:30] Predicted comptest value is: 122,41%
[2008-02-21 14:32:30] Running first pass.
[2008-02-21 14:58:40] Duration was: 26 minutes 9 seconds
[2008-02-21 14:58:40] Speed was: 106,85 fps.
[2008-02-21 14:58:41] Expected quality of first pass size: 121,31%
[2008-02-21 14:58:41] Trying to adjust settings.
[2008-02-21 14:58:41] No adjustment is possible
[2008-02-21 14:58:41] Warning: final AVI will likely be undersized.
[2008-02-21 14:58:42] Running second pass.
[2008-02-21 14:59:34] Duration was: 49 seconds
[2008-02-21 14:59:34] Speed was: 3380,31 fps.
[2008-02-21 14:59:34] Error splitting file
[2008-02-21 14:59:34] Job finished. Total time: 29 minutes 50 seconds
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[gala8x]

If i have files .smi and files .wmv. How to add them?

[manono]

How to add them?

You don't.

[kevin182h]

AutoGK doesn't recognize the vbr audio of the tv shows i download...

is there any way to set it not to use VirtualDubMod?

WinAVI works with them ('.avi' files with vbr audio) perfectly

[mardoka]

I have problem that the voices and the subs don't match at the same time.

I have subtitles in SUB format and XVID video file.

Before encoding everything is OK, voice and subtitles are synchronized.

When I finish encoding :
Subs are ok on the start of the movie.
In the middle subs are 25s before voice.
At the end subs are 50s before voice.

Could you help me? Thanks.

[manono]

is there any way to set it not to use VirtualDubMod?

No.

What's wrong with the output? No audio at all? Out of synch audio? And if out of synch, is it off by the same amount all the way through, or does it get worse as the movie goes along? And are you having the audio be reencoded? Or keeping the original audio? You might check the original AVI and the AutoGK output AVI to see if there's anything different, like sample rates or bitrates, between the audios of the 2 AVIs.

[kevin182h]

is there any way to set it not to use VirtualDubMod?

No.

What's wrong with the output? No audio at all? Out of synch audio? And if out of synch, is it off by the same amount all the way through, or does it get worse as the movie goes along? And are you having the audio be reencoded? Or keeping the original audio? You might check the original AVI and the AutoGK output AVI to see if there's anything different, like sample rates or bitrates, between the audios of the 2 AVIs.

it gets outta sync as the movie goes along... which i think it's cos of the VBR thing

between the input and output files, i set AutoGK not to change anything at all! same simple rates, bitrates, size...

[manono]

Did you check the before AVI against the after AVI to confirm that the audio is the same? Because it makes no sense that if it's the same audio at the same length as the source, that it would get out of synch. Me, I'd be much more likely to suspect your source AVI as the culprit. Maybe it's some low sample rate or low bitrate audio that AutoGK doesn't support, and it gets reencoded. Does the same thing happen with all the AVIs that you reencode?

I'll just say that plenty of people reencode their AVIs with VBR MP3 audio in them, maybe to make them smaller, or maybe to add in subtitles, and they have no problems at all.

[kevin182h]

well, i've tried with some tv shows (around 5 files) and it looks like they're all the same (vbr audio)

i'll get some screen shots

[poisondeathray]

kevin182h - you could change VBR=>CBR if you still want to use autogk for subs (if you are sure VBR is the culprit, not some other reason). There are many guides & topics on how to do this

Good luck

[Matsuemon]

I used this procedure today with AGK, and it worked perfectly, except it will only play on my computer, not on the two stand-alone players I've tried it on. I've heard this is pretty much an issue with external subs being put in seperately. Is there any way around this problem? Seems like it wouldn't be that difficult to fix.

[manono]

Hi-

I've heard this is pretty much an issue with external subs being put in seperately.

You heard wrong. Since this guide is about burning or embedding subs into the video, that would have nothing to do with why your standalone players won't play your AVI. A much more likely reason why the AVI won't play in your standalones would be you not installing AutoGK using the ESS chipset option.

[Matsuemon]

Hi-
You heard wrong. Since this guide is about burning or embedding subs into the video, that would have nothing to do with why your standalone players won't play your AVI. A much more likely reason why the AVI won't play in your standalones would be you not installing AutoGK using the ESS chipset option.

In Auto GK, when you click on the "use external subtitles" tab, a popup window comes up which says, "external subtitles will not work on standalone players. Are you sure you want to enable them?" Why would it say that if it wasn't true? But, let me be clear on what I'm trying to do. I want to add subtitles which I've created. I didn't rip them from a DVD. I want them embedded right into the video. I reinstalled and selected the ESS chipset option and I will try again. Thanks for the info

[manono]

In Auto GK, when you click on the "use external subtitles" tab, a popup window comes up which says, "external subtitles will not work on standalone players. Are you sure you want to enable them?

Yes, but that's a different issue and, again, nothing to do with this guide. One of the reasons people might want to permanently burn the subs into the video is because their player won't show external subtitles. The AVI should play anyway, though (unless created using some settings the player doesn't like, as can be true for the default non-ESS chipset compatible AutoGK settings). I expect that message is left over from the early days of DVD/MPEG-4 players when they didn't have much support for external subtitles. Nowadays, as far as I know, they all support at least the most common subtitle formats (SRT, anyway). Good luck with your reencode.

[Matsuemon]

"Yes, but that's a different issue and, again, nothing to do with this guide."

I'm sorry but it has everything to do with this guide. Why do you keep saying it doesn't? Even when you click the Cntrl F8 to bring up the subtitle field, it still says "EXTERNAL subtitles". So my questions are relevant. I do appreciate your help, but I'm not sure why you're being difficult when there is no need.

[manono]

Weren't you getting that message when choosing to keep the subs external in the Advanced Options? You did say that you had checked the "use external subtitles" box, and that box is found only in the Advanced Options. And has nothing to do with this guide.

The box in the Advanced Options refers to extracting subtitles from a DVD in IDX/SUB format and keeping them separate and external (not burning them into the video) to the AVI for playing along with the AVI on the computer or in a standalone that can display separate and external subs. The reason you got that message about them not playing in a standalone is because when AutoGK was created it was in the early days of standalone DVD/MPEG-4 players, and most had no subtitle support. That has changed now, and maybe the message should be removed. But maybe not. There are still plenty of standalones that won't play the IDX/SUB format subs, and maybe none that will play them in the compressed RAR form that AutoGK will give you.

The external subs referenced when you hit CTRL-F8 are separate subtitle files in a variety of formats (IDX/SUB, SSA, SRT, etc.) that you intend to burn or embed into the video. They may have been downloaded from somewhere, or created yourself, but they usually aren't from the DVD (because AutoGK can extract those). Two different things.

[Matsuemon]

Weren't you getting that message when choosing to keep the subs external in the Advanced Options? You did say that you had checked the "use external subtitles" box, and that box is found only in the Advanced Options. And has nothing to do with this guide..

Manono, since I was adding subtitles that I had created, using the F8 command was the ONLY way to add subtitles to my dvd, in which case it was completely relevant to this guide. And my follow up comment was a very logical follow up question to make sure I was doing the procedure correctly, and that that wasn't the reason it wasn't playing correctly on a standalone player.
You are not a moderator of this site, is that correct? Also this isn't your thread. If you don't like the way the threads are going you certainly don't have to read or respond to them. You seem to need to control them, which is becoming annoying fast. Just chill out. We are all in this to help each other, but we don't need someone to keep jumping on us every time we seemingly fall slightly off topic.

[Matsuemon]

[quote="manono"]I successfully added subtitles but they are too small to read. Is it possible to add bigger subtitles?

Yes, convert the subs to SSA format (I use SubResynch that comes with VobSub). Then in the header, raise the boldfaced number to whatever you like:

Format: Name, Fontname, Fontsize, PrimaryColour, SecondaryColour, TertiaryColour, BackColour, Bold, Italic, BorderStyle, Outline, Shadow, Alignment, MarginL, MarginR, MarginV, AlphaLevel, Encoding
Style: Default,Tahoma,70,11468799,65535,65535,-2147483640,0,0,1,2,0,2,30,30,25,0,0

What header are you talking about? I'm trying to change my font size but I'm not sure how to do what you're explaining. I tried going into "options" in SubResynch and changing the font size from there, but that didn't work.

[manono]

...in which case it was completely relevant to this guide.

Just go back and reread your second post in this thread and then tell me how the "use external subtitles" tab and the message it gives when checking the box is at all relevant. It seemed to me at the time (and it still does) that you were confused by the use of the term "external subtitles" as used in the Advanced Options and in the CTRL-F8 trick, since one keeps the subs external and the other uses external subs as a source to embed into the video.

You are not a moderator of this site, is that correct?

That's correct. However, I am a moderator at the (Auto) Gordian Knot Forum at Doom9, wrote about 90% of the included tutorial, also found online here:

http://www.autogk.me.uk/modules.php?name=TutorialEN

advised the developer (len0x) during the early days of AutoGK, and do know a little something about the program. Since you've had enough time to run a couple of dozen reencodes of the video that was giving you a problem, would you like to tell me if your new AVI plays OK in your standalones now, or would you rather go back and forth on this one issue for another few days?

As for your SSA subtitle, just open the SSA in Notepad , find that stuff at the top that I showed, and change the number immediately after the font name. I apologize, as that post of mine you quoted wasn't at all clear as to exactly how to make that change.

[Matsuemon]

It was relevant to me, at the time, that's ALL that matters. Seriously, take a chill pill and just tell people what they ask for and don't tell us how relevant or irrelevant the post is. The only person it seems to be bothering is you. I do appreciate your knowledge, but that doesn't give you the right to moderate the forums, so keep your opinions of relevancy to yourself.

Now my subtitled DVD's do seem to be running correctly on my standalone, with the exception of the subtitles being too small. SORRY, that was irrelavant to this post, so I should probably start a whole new one just to tell you that.

But I don't see why changing the font size, as you said in notepad, will do anything different than editing it in VobSub, which didn't work. In fact, when I opened the document in notepad it had the same sized font I had increased it to before, but it didn't show up correctly on the finished video. At any rate, I'm trying it now.

Update: It didn't work. Not only are the subtitles not resized, they are not even showing up at all.

[crossmr]

How can I choose the subtitle language? It seems no matter which options I check the subtitle channel box always comes up blank and if it just randomly grabs another language it doesn't much help me..

Also what can I do about autogk throwing audio out of sync? I do a 2 part movie and the second part is fine, and the first part is a second or so off. Its happened twice now.

[kool437]

Hi manono

i just started using Agk, the program works fine for me, but its taking few hours to just add a srt subtitle to a 700mb avi file. i dont want to change anything in the avi file, i purely just want to add the subtitle, is there anyway i can speed up the process using Agk, or is there any other program that i can use? i read all the previous post, you mention about twopass, can you explain bit more about that, that change the processing time? can you tell me what is the difference b/w "single pass", "twopass - 1st pass", "twopass - 2nd pass" and "twopass - 2nd pass alt".

Thanks

[manono]

Hi,

Adding in a subtitle isn't quite as easy as it might sound as the entire AVI has to be reencoded. In addition, no offense intended, your computer is getting a little long in the tooth. The best way to speed it up is to go from the default 2-pass method where you specify a final file size (1 CD/700 MB, for example), to a 1-pass encode choosing the Target Quality by percentage. The default 75% is a decent choice, but you won't get a specific size. If you need a certain size (like 1 CD), then you'll have to stick with the default settings. This is all thoroughly explained in the included tutorial, also found online here:

http://www.autogk.me.uk/modules.php?name=TutorialEN

Are there other programs you can use? Sure, several, although I'm not familiar with most of them, how easy they are to use, how easy it is to use them to add in the subs, if it's possible to add in external subtitles to an AVI source, or if they'll be any faster than AutoGK (although I kind of doubt it). FairUse Wizard, avi.NET, StaxRip, VirtualDub(Mod), among others.

[crossmr]

Manono, can I get some help on autogk throwing the audio out of sync and choosing subtitle languages? Its really hampering the use of this software (2 posts up)

[manono]

I'll try, but no guarantees. Although many people have the out-of-synch audio problem (usually, but not always, their own fault), very few have trouble choosing the correct subs.

First and most importantly, you have to decrypt correctly. Above all this means not putting the entire DVD onto the hard drive and then loading VOBs or the IFO into AutoGK. Sure, doing that will work some of the time - maybe even most of the time - but when it doesn't it causes no end of aggravation and frustration. You want to decrypt only the movie. So, use DVD Decrypter in IFO Mode (not the default), or, better, an up-to-date DVDFab HD Decrypter in Main-Movie mode. It even allows you to choose the audio and subs at decrypt time. Then load the IFO into AutoGK, and with any luck you'll see both the audio and the subs you want, and only those. It's often a good idea to run the Preview before doing the encode to make sure the subs (the right ones if there are more than one from which to choose) are showing up properly. Ignore the fact that you'll probably see "double subs". If after all that the audio still is out-of-synch when done, then it's a good idea to learn how to resynch it. It's not hard at all.

Open the AVI in Media Player Classic. Right-click the screen and go Options->Internal Filters->Audio Switcher and make sure the "Enable built-in audio switcher filter" box is checked. You'll only have to do this once. If doing it for the first time, then hit "OK", close MPC and reopen it. Play the AVI in it and use the + or - buttons on the right side of your keyboard to add in a positive or negative delay. A negative delay causes the audio to play earlier. 1000ms=1 second. If you have trouble synching to lips moving, try and find a sharp noise like a door slamming or a gunshot and synch to that. It shows the amount of delay applied in the bottom left of the player. Once you get it the way you like, remember that figure and close MPC.

Now open the AVI in VDubMod, clicking "No" to any messages about VBR audio. Set Video->Direct Stream Copy. Go Streams->Stream List->Right-click the audio stream->Interleaving->Audio Skew Correction->Delay Audio Track By, and fill in the correct amount. "OK" back to the main screen and File->Save As, give it a different name, wait a minute or so and test it out.

[crossmr]

Manono,
Sorry I should have given you a little more info
The issue I am having is this:
I have a 2 part movie, avi with idx and srt subtitles.

I add both of them to autogk and tell it to do them. The first part goes out of sync audio wise, and the second part is fine. they're encoded identically. Same audio codec, same everything. It seems strange that it would go out of sync on the first part and not on the second part. This has happened on two movies. I've tried encoding the first part alone and no difference. I could resync it (I've done it a couple times last year for something I had that was out of sync) but it just adds an extra step when I'm trying to do several videos. I was actually trying to prepare several foreign films to watch on a plane ride on my PSP and the first step was putting the subs permanently.

The subtitle issue is when I enable the external subtitles nothing comes up in the subtitle box. For languages even though the subtitles come in 2 languages.
I did manage to solve this (I think) but opening vobsub and selecting the language I want, I think it makes it the default.

[manono]

Nah, you didn't need to add more info. I just forgot this was for adding subs to AVIs, and not making AVIs from DVDs. My fault entirely.

First, I'll assume you didn't create these AVIs yourself, but downloaded them from somewhere else. You get what you pay for, as the saying goes. My guess is that the source AVI had a delay set already. Perhaps the guy that made it did something as described in my previous post, had to adjust the audio skew correction. If so, there's no way for AutoGK to know that, no way for it to know and set the audio delay itself, and you're stuck doing the drudge work yourself. That's just a guess, though, and doesn't really explain why the part 1 is out-of-synch while the part 2 is OK.

As for the subs, are you loading the IDX and not the SUB? The reason I ask is that the first line of subs it offers is only text based subs, and not the IDX/SUB variety. You have to use the drop-down box to be able to see the IDX.

I did manage to solve this (I think) but opening vobsub and selecting the language I want, I think it makes it the default.

I think you are loading them correctly, and you've discovered there is something screwy when the subs are the IDX/SUB variety, instead of the text based ones. You can't see any languages to choose, and by default it's going to give you the first language. I see a couple of ways around that. One is the way you discovered (sort of), opening the IDX file and choosing the right one:

# Language index in use
langidx: 2

That tells it to choose the 3rd one (it starts counting with 0). The other way is to remove all except the one you want, using VobSubStrip.

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/VobSubStrip.htm

When it asks you to "Check subtitle streams you want to strip", it means "to keep". Just check the one language you want, process it, and then load that one into AutoGK. It only takes a few seconds.

I had to run some tests to confirm your problem. I think most people, when adding external subs, are using text-based subs like SRTs or SSAs, and there's only one language in each and they don't have that particular problem. It's only when you start with a multiple language IDX/SUB file and you want some language other than the first one that you get that particular problem. I apologize for, first, answering questions you didn't even ask, and second, not being able to give you a better answer for your audio problem.

[kool437]

Hi Manono

Thanks for the reply, im still trying to find out what is the difference b/w "single pass", "twopass - 1st pass", "twopass - 2nd pass" and "twopass - 2nd pass alt". can you tell me what they mean and what is the difference?

Thanks!

[manono]

That doesn't have anything to do with AutoGK (or this guide), does it, since you can't really directly choose those things? In AutoGK's default 2-pass mode the first pass is used to gather the information and statistics needed and the 2nd pass writes the video portion of the AVI. You use the default 2-pass mode when you want to create your AVI for a specific file size (1 CD/700Mb, 1/4 DVDR/1120Mb, etc.). Target Quality uses a single VBR pass, where it does the entire thing in one pass for a defined quality (determined by the chosen percentage), and you lose all control over the final file size. I don't know what 2nd pass alt is. But all this is hidden by AutoGK for simplicity's sake. If you wish to have more control over the settings, then you can either use AutoGK's more fully featured big brother Gordian Knot or start encoding manually.