Suggested upconversion DVD players?

[flyboynm]

I am looking for an upconversion DVD player that will do 1080i via component. I would prefer it to not do HDCP. I want to watch my regularly purchased DVDs at 1080i. Any suggestions?

[flyboynm]

I forgot to mention that the reason why I am looking for one of these is my TV will do 480p and 1080i, and only has S-video, component and composet inputs.

[edDV]

I forgot to mention that the reason why I am looking for one of these is my TV will do 480p and 1080i, and only has S-video, component and composet inputs.

Curious. Are you unhappy with the 480i or 480p performance?

What model TV? If your TV won't support 720p, odds are that native display resolution is below that.

[flyboynm]

Samsung TX-R2765 is the model of the TV. I just want the best picture I can get beings it is a HDTV.

[Marco33]

Don't see too many upconversion dvd players via component.

[manono]

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=755704

[edDV]

Samsung TX-R2765 is the model of the TV. I just want the best picture I can get beings it is a HDTV.

First, that is a very good CRT HDTV and I would trade my similar Philips model any day.

Actual screen resolution for such a CRT is between 800x600 to 1024x768 in computer terms. This is limited by the picture tube technology, not the electronics.

Normally, 720x480 DVD playback has two playback modes.

480i component feeds into the digital video processor same way as NTSC video. The processor upconverts the analog component input for double or more vertical resolution ~960-1080V. Horizontal resolution is determined by the A/D ~800 to 1024 . Using this path, the same controls available for NTSC can be applied to 480i DVD such as aspect ratio, and picture level tweaks .

480p (progressive component) is often displayed directly to the CRT, that is as 16:9 720x480p with all 480 lines inside the 16:9 letterbox image. Hence displayed this way, the DVD player controls image modes.

1080i is scanned as 1080 lines behind the shadow mask but the CRT displays somewhat less limited by the dot pitch of the display in both H and V. The result is 1080i shows as only slightly higher resolution than than 720x480p (~960x540p) and since 16:9 480p concentrates DVD vertical resolution inside the letterbox, they are effectively the same vertical resolution.

In other words, for a typical 27-32" HD CRT, an upscaling DVD player ( or even a true 1080i or 1080p source) won't result in much higher resolution at 16:9. The resolution is limited by the CRT itself.

Sony once made a consumer wide 34" CRT with approx 1440x1080 resolution a few years back. It has since been discontinued.


PS: Even if you can find a DVD player that upscales over analog component, it won't do this from a copy protected commercial DVD disc. It has to be from one you made yourself (e.g. from an over the air HD tuner capture).

[flyboynm]

Let's just say that HDCP is able to be disabled with the DVD player. Wouldn't that take care of the issue with 1080i not being able to be sent over Component? By the way, I got this TV on clearance from Sears in Santa Fe, NM for $199.97.

Steve

[mpiper]

Some DVD players upscale, but it is the off brand ones that actually do it for all formats. I have a Cyberhome, which is supposed to only up-convert for the HDMI output, but there is a hack that allows the component output to be HD 1080i.

It does it on every disc I try, both retail and personal. Brand name players seem to be sticklers for the "rules" while the no-name brands play loose and fast. Since they are cheap, they may also wear out faster, but the price and added features are still worth it.

Do a search in the DVD player section of this site with the "upscale" option checked and any one listed that is NOT name brand will probably do it without a problem, maybe even some quality brands as well.

[louthewiz]

http://www.neodigits.com/new/body/products/h4000/h4000.asp
http://www.shopcartusa.com/Product/DVDHD841/Electronics~TV_Video~DVD_Players/Samsung_D.../?ic_campID=98


These dvd players do 1080i over component video

[handyguy]

You want to change a dvd from 480i max to 1080i? Isn't that like using a digital zoom?

[edDV]

You want to change a dvd from 480i max to 1080i? Isn't that like using a digital zoom?

Essentially yes, like "full screen" on a computer monitor where the image is resampled with more pixels H&V. Three general cases for progressive displays*:

480i to 1080i should be done in such a way that inverse telecine still works in the HDTV. Otherwise progressive conversion of film source at the HDTV is going to be rough.

480p (commercial movie DVD) to 720p or 1080p is a simple rescale (upsample)

480i to 720p or 1080p requires inverse telecine or deinterlace be done in the DVD player.


* an HD CRT can display interlace or progressive. Plasma and LCD display progressive only.