D2V-avisynth-fvapi-pinnacle problem?

[SerbianBoss]

Firstly, with DGIndex i get d2v files, than i make avisynth script and little filtering. For now everyhing is ok,file is ok in virtualdub. Than i start vfapi(and load that avisynth script) and make fake avi. Everything is ok when load in virtual dub, but my goal is to load in pinnacle to edit and convert to dvd. Pinnacle dont crush but work very unstable but i dont have video in pinnacle.

So what can be problem.Maybe pinnacle cant read that fake avi?

[Baldrick]

I have no experience with pinnacle and frameserving. But you could always export to a dv-avi or lagarith avi file in Virtualdub.

[SerbianBoss]

Just to be sure.
In all cases source is original,pal,interlaced dvd
I have few question just to be sure that i understand dgindex,vfapi

1. With DGindex we make D2V files. Than we can load that files in vfapi to make "fake" avi. And we can load that fake avi in NLE programs like premiere

2. We can load D2V files in avisynth(make script) and than load in CCE to make dvd. In that way does doing recompression or not? Becaue in script we have mpeg2source() and that we that load in cce and make dvd.

3. We can load D2V files in avisynth(make script) and than load in vfapi to make "fake" avi. And again we can load this in NLE. What you think about that metod?

Is these 3 metod corrects?

[guns1inger]

1. If the NLE accepts the vfapi avi file. Not all may do this.

2. Avisynth passes uncompressed video to the host application. Mpeg2Source() only indicates what the source is and how it should be loaded. CCE will re-encode to mpeg2 because a) that is what it does, and b) CCE is getting uncompressed feed as it's feed from avisynth

3. Not much different to method 1, and if you can't load the "fake" avi then it doesn't matter much. I'm with Baldrick on this - you are better off saving to a lossless intermediate format. It is also often more efficient to do it this was if you are applying avisynth filters, as they can bog down the timeline while editing, and have to be processed multiple times when doing multi-pass encoding. This can triple the length of a render.

[SerbianBoss]

CCE is getting uncompressed feed as it's feed from avisynth

But if d2v load in avisynth and than load in cce how that can be uncompressed ?

you are better off saving to a lossless intermediate format

How to do that? Did you mean that D2V files export to dv avi ?

[guns1inger]

Avisynth only passes uncompressed video to the host program. Any program that reads video from an avisynth file, regardless of the source, gets uncompressed video.

It doesn't matter if you open an xvid with AviSource(), a .mov with DirectShowSource() or a .d2v with Mpeg2Source(), you still output an uncompressed video stream in the colourspace of your choice.

Simplest way to save in a lossless format is to open the avs in virtualdub in Fast Recompress Mode (which doesn't alter the colourspace), and save it using a lossless codec. I like Lagarith, others like Huffyuv.

[SerbianBoss]

Simplest way to save in a lossless format is to open the avs in virtualdub in Fast Recompress Mode (which doesn't alter the colourspace), and save it using a lossless codec. I like Lagarith, others like Huffyuv.

1. So you think that make avisynth script(applaying noise,sharpen,other filders) then load that script in virtual dub and than compress with lagarith or other dv codec ?

2. But why isnt better to make "fake" avi(load that avisynth script in vfapi) and than compress in some NLE program. I mean does this method is faster than compress that avisynth script with lagarit or other dv codec ?

Which picture quality will be better,method 1 or 2 ?

thanks