Unable to copy DVDs recorded on Liteon 5005

[kimco52]

I have the Liteon 5005 Recorder and have copied/dubbed Hi8 and Digital8 tapes to DVD's on the Liteon 5005. It puts a page at the head of the DVD with an "index" of what is on the DVD based on when you start a new "segment" on the DVD.
I finalized the DVD's when I finish recording to them. The DVD's created on it play on other desktop players with no problem. Inserting the DVD's in players brings this "menu" to the screen and you choose which one you want to start at for playback. That works.

I want to make a DVD copy of that DVD. I use Nero6 DVD copy mode and put the DVD in my Pioneer A05 in my computer and start the copying process. (I also have a Pioneer A09 in the computer) After a few minutes grinding away, I get an error message that it cannot copy the DVD and it quits the process. I get the same problem whether I go from the A05 to the A09 or vice/versa. I can play the DVD on those units with PowerDVD and I can also explore the DVD on those units.

What am I missing? Why can I not copy those DVD's recorded on the Liteon recorder on my computer? Does it have something to do with the way the Liteon records? or is it the same with other recorders? I use the same disks in all recorders.

I am trying to backup umpteen-jillion tapes to DVD but it kind of defeats the purpose if I cannot copy the DVD's except for dubbing them in real time. These are my videos, not copyrighted commercial disks.

[TBoneit]

I just ran into a similar problem with a Pioneer 531h. Trying to copy to the computer with DVD Decrypter would sometimes crash the computer, It never happens with any discs. When it does work..

Copying with DVD Decrypter, ISO read, ISO Write, which should in theory and in fact usually does on the discs that didn't crash the computer resulted in discs that wouln't play in the same Panasonic that plays the original.

What I did as a workaround was use the Pioneer disc copy function where it copies the disc to its internal hard drive and then writes it to another disc. If you have such a function on your Liteon try it. If not Try ripping a disc to the computer and reauthoring using TMPGEnc DVD author program, available as a trial, as a test.

[LCSHG]

In reading your posts It sounds as though you are not copying comercial [copyright ] tapes or disks
These tapes/disks should not have any problem with CP protection. If playing such a disk on the PC using power DVD I have no problems. Likewise copying such a disk is not a problem
I have been using Nero 5.5 and 6 either will not allow a Comercial disk with CP to be copied
Play Yes

I can't speek to the Pioneer drives but it seems that for some reason Nero, and/or the Pioneer thinks the disks are CP protected

Example I have the Liteon drives in my PC units and standalone recorders [LiteOn 5045, two iloRHD04, two iloR04] I do not have any problem with any
Way back a firmware upgrade to the ilo units relieved a problem such as mentioned above. I have not heard of any such problem since [ some 2 yr] with any LiteOn/ilo unit
I can not see any copy problem with a LiteOn drive. Its one of the best.

Please don't feel that a firmware upgrade to the 5005 will solve your problem It woun't and could cause other problems

If using a Disk or tape with CP, That would be a whole issue itself

Is your 5005 hacked ? If So Play a commercial CP disk in a player and record to the 5005 in real time. Take this copied disk to your PC, it should play with Power DVD and copy with Nero

[kimco52]

LCSHG,
I have not done a firmware upgrade for over a year. Off the top of my head, I don't know what firmware level it is. I can check when I get home.

These tapes are tapes I recorded on my Hi8 and Dig8 cameras over the last 8 years. Also from my mini-DV tapes. I recorded them onto DVD's in the 5005Liteon. I finalized the disks at completion of all recording onto that disk. They play fine everywhere I checked.

But it does not copy. The message is simply "Failed to copy". No other info.

I'll try one again when I get home and see exactly what it says.

[oldandinthe way]

Early Lite-On 5005 did indeed have a problem which prevented many PC based programs from copying them - DVDShrink would crash and Nero failed. There was indeed a firmware fix which corrected this.

Many folks who are using hacked firmware are using the version with this problem.

The latest firmware available from Lite-On has the fix, but it cannot be hacked to kill Macrovision.

[Seeker47]

I just ran into a similar problem with a Pioneer 531h. Trying to copy to the computer with DVD Decrypter would sometimes crash the computer, It never happens with any discs. When it does work..

Copying with DVD Decrypter, ISO read, ISO Write, which should in theory and in fact usually does on the discs that didn't crash the computer resulted in discs that wouln't play in the same Panasonic that plays the original.

What I did as a workaround was use the Pioneer disc copy function where it copies the disc to its internal hard drive and then writes it to another disc. If you have such a function on your Liteon try it. If not Try ripping a disc to the computer and reauthoring using TMPGEnc DVD author program, available as a trial, as a test.

There seem to be a few variables here, maybe even down to the specific Pioneer DVDR model ? (If they've changed certain things along the way *, between models.) I copy discs made in the 520 with some regularity, using Nero 6 Ultra. Even VR mode discs on -RWs. In the case of regular Video Mode -Rs, the reason would usually be that the program in question was no longer on the HDD -- because it is only 80G, and I needed to free up space -- so there was no longer the option to just burn another disc copy from the HDD. Can't recall much in the way of problems.

{ * One such change that occurs to me might be treatment of "Copy Once" programs -- a Broadcast Flag type of issue ? Anyway, either that's not a factor with the 520 model, or I just haven't run into it yet from my cable provider.}

I have been using Nero 5.5 and 6 either will not allow a Comercial disk with CP to be copied

It will if you rip it first with FabDecrypter or RipIt4Me . . . . FixVTS (part of the latter) may be required to clean up residual compliancy errors.

[kimco52]

The firmware in my Liteon, I believe, is LNFA1101.E30. At least, that is the latest file in my sources directory and that was dated Jan 2006. There is a newer one on their website dated within the last couple months that is LNFA1101.S30. Don't know what the differences are.
The model is LVW-5005.
I don't know how to read directly from the machine other than seeing the serial number which has (100-010D) at the end of it.

I put the recorded DVD with two indexes on it (from two tapes) on one of my DVD drives in the computer (it doesn't matter, the results are the same). When I try to copy from one to the other, I immediately get the following error message when I tell it to burn:
"Sorry, this kind of compilation cannot be written on the selected recorder. Please select a different recorder or modify the settings of your compilation".

If I Explore the disk, the title of the disk is "DVD-VR". There are two directories on it: Video_RM and Video_TS. Inside the folders are the following files:
Video_RM folder:
Video_RM.BUP 32KB
Video_RM.IFO 32KB
Video_RM.DAT 1MB

Video_TS folder:
Video_TS.BUP 70KB
Video_TS.IFO 12KB
Video_TS.VOB 160KB
Video_TS_01_0.BUP 70K
Video_TS_01_0.IFO 70K
Video_TS_01_1.VOB 1GB
Video_TS_01_2.VOB 1GB
Video_TS_01_3.VOB 1GB
Video_TS_01_4.VOB 597MB

That is all it shows. PowerDVD plays the disk properly in both drives but Nero 6 will not copy it. Would that latest firmware file fix it? I am not concerned with killing Macrovision. I don't put it on my disks and I am not copying commercial disks.

[kimco52]

Further, I can copy copy the folders and files directly to the PC but writing to a new DVD from the hard drive creates a copy of those folders but it does not play on a separate dvd player.

I used DVDdecrytor to copy the DVD to the hard drive and then used Nero to burn a new video DVD with those files retrieved by DVD Decrypter. That DVD played correctly in external DVD players.

A roundabout process to accomplish what should be just a simple DVD copy.

Am I missing something?

[Seeker47]

Early Lite-On 5005 did indeed have a problem which prevented many PC based programs from copying them - DVDShrink would crash and Nero failed. There was indeed a firmware fix which corrected this.

Many folks who are using hacked firmware are using the version with this problem.

The latest firmware available from Lite-On has the fix, but it cannot be hacked to kill Macrovision.

So, is there a "best" firmware level for this model, which does not have the problem mentioned above, changes most of what users wanted to change, is reliable, and still has the MV kill ability ? If so, could you (or someone else) identify it ?

[kaapo]

https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=314820

read my text there

Use UltraIso ( command Tools -> Make CD/DVD Image... F8 ) to make image.
Load image and extract the videofiles.

/ Kaapo /

[LCSHG]

Kinco52

I believe that your unit indicates firmware 101 and at this time cannot be hacked
http://www.ncc2315.com/ilo/

I know about Decrypter and other products in Dealing with CP
BUT you are not dealing with a CP Disk. You do not seem to have any problem with the 5005 and you should not have a problem with making a copy with Nero.
It sounds as though something is misinterpreting the disk as CP protected, when using the PC and Nero.

Check these fourms and threads the moderator has a 5005 and uses Nero He and others I’m sure can help
http://www.techolio.com/forums/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=7

http://www.normediasolutions.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=12

Edit
I have No Problems with copy on my 5045 and than making a copy on a PC with Nero
That is for any disk. I see no reason that a working 5005, as yours seems to be but un hacked, should not to do the same [Using a Non CP disk]
If one was dealing with a CPRM problem with the recorder or disk it would seem that this would also show up on the unhacked 5005

[kimco52]

I have not found what I was looking for in the other links LCSHG gave, yet.
However, I have a question.
Maybe I am missing something somewhere, but does the Liteon LVW5005 write to the DVD's in a Macrovision manner or such that another program thinks it is copyright material and therefore won't copy that disk?
I see the talk about defeating Macrovision on the Liteon but it is not a recorder that you normally would copy directly a dvd onto another dvd. I have not seen a copy function on the recorder. So, does it record with Macrovision or some other type? Is that what you are trying to "fix"/delete?
Just curious as to what the "defeat Macrovision" purpose is.

Is there another program (other than Nero) that allows you to copy dvd's without regard to what is on the disk? Just a plain bit for bit transfer?

[LCSHG]

Kimco52


NO --- The 5005 does not burn a disk with any form of CP.
Just a thought Are you using a disk that has any form of CP encoded on it [ right at the hub] if so the PC with power DVD and Nero may be picking this up

Your first posts would indicate that you were NOT Using CP disks. Macrovision [MV is a form of CP
If one had a tape that had MV, and one wanted to copy it they would need a program a TBC, a black box or a hacked 5005 to do it, Or do it on a PC

Your 5005 with firmware 101 [IS NOT HACKED] The hack program may say its hacked but it s not.
I now, also have a 5005, It was bought used with firmware 086 the last firmware for the 5005 that can be hacked is 098 My unit now has 098 --------- Read this site carefully

http://www.ncc2315.com/ilo/

If you are trying to copy CP protected material your 5005 with firmware 101, will not do it as it stands.

Go here for 098 ---- [the US version.]

http://pumapeople.com/liteon/

If you are using NON- CP Material you should not have the problem you state.

[kimco52]

Thanks.
No, I am not copying copy protected stuff. I am copying from my own generated (shot) Hi8, Digital 8, and miniDV tapes directly into the LVW5005. I Finalize the disks when done. I can play them in a standalone desktop player (several brands) and on my DVD player/burner in my computer with PowerDVD. After playing it in my computer, I start Nero 6, choose on the left hand side Copy DVD -> DVD. I put a blank in the second deck in the computer and tell it to copy and after a few seconds, it comes up with the error message I stated way up above. The blank DVD's are the same. They are not protected dvd's. They are TDK, Fuji, CompUSA, all -R's and it doesn't matter what brand. I stay away from known bad ones (Frys GC, etc). I only use the Comp USA because someone gave me a 100 cake and I am using them up. Out of 30, only 2 were bad. I don't have probs with TDK or Fuji disks. I can copy disks burned on my computer with Nero but not ones I burned on the Liteon5005.

That is my dilemna. Almost all my hair is now gone.

[LCSHG]

Kimco52

I went back over your last and previous posts and it would seem that you are not having any problems with any disks burned on the 5005 in playing them on other standalones or PowerDVD in a PC. They are all Non CP disks, But Nero will not Copy them and only them. Can I assume that Nero will copy Non CP disks burned on another standalone?

I have only used Nero [very limited] for copy and had no problems I am not a Nero expert and this issue throws me.
Hopefully someone that uses and works with Nero will chime in
I believe in Murphy’s Law [and there is always a first].

[Battisti]

Hi Kimco52

I also have Lieon 5005 with the 098 (hacked) version of the firmware,
and I have used Nero Express 6 many times to copy DVDs that I had
made with the Liteon (of home-produced videos from my DV camcorder).

In Nero Express 6 there is a "Copy Entire Disk" option in the main menu
and that's the one that I used to do it.

(I got Nero 6 Express for free, bundled with an LG DVD writer that
I bought about a year ago, and I assume this is a stripped-down version
of Nero 6).

I have used several types of blank DVDs +R,-R, +RW an -RW
and they all worked...

Do you have a "Copy Entire Disk" option in the main menu of Nero 6?
If so, is that the one that you used to dub your DVDs?

[kimco52]

Hi Battista,
I have Nero 6 Ultra Edition. From that, I select Nero Burning ROM. Once inside that, there is a panel on the left from which I select "Copy DVD". OR, Once inside, I can choose from the Toolbar the Recorder Option and then choose Copy. The result is the same. AFter a few seconds, it gives me the message: "Sorry, this kind of compilation cannot be written on the selected recorder. Please select a different recorder or modify the settings of your compilation".
The selected recorder is either a Pioneer A105 or A109. I have both and the result is the same. I just tried a different disk from the Liteon 5005 with the same result.

LCHSG,
"Can I assume that Nero will copy Non CP disks burned on another standalone? "
I don't know. I don't have another standalone burner to test the theory with.

[kimco52]

OK,
I don't know what is going on but here is what I have "learned".
If I take a DVD that I burned on the Liteon 5005, and there are many, I cannot copy it with Nero. Just trying to read it causes the error. In addition to what I described above on Nov 27 with DVD Decryptor, I downloaded DVD Fab Platinum and chose DVD clone. That worked. It plays fine. I then went to Nero and chose DVD Copy on that copy and it copied just fine. That copy plays also.

So, Nero cannot read directly from the original Liteon disk but it can read from a clone of it.

I don't know what is going on but I can see a method that will work to make copies of those disks.

[LCSHG]

kimco52


Do you know anyone with a standalone recorder that is not a liteon
If so can you burn a disk that is taken from your camcorder, than see if Nero well play or copy it
As said I can not see why Nero is doing this.

[kimco52]

LCSHG,
No, I don't know anyone. I don't see why Nero is doing this, also. I am wondering if it is something in the firmware in my Pioneer decks in the computer. I purchased a new internal deck Friday. The Pioneer 710, I believe the model number was. I have not put it in yet. Won't get to it till early next week. I'll see if that makes a difference.

[kimco52]

The Pioneer 719 (111) did not make any difference. However, it came with something called Nero 7 Essentials. I loaded that program and it worked with it. So, it must be something about Nero 6.
Unfortunately, I do not like Nero 7 Essentials and it's components. I don't like the way it comes up and what you have to do to use it.

I did not like the way it said it/you must delete all previous versions of Nero before it would install. Then when it is finished installing and you run it, It wants to access the internet, it wants to become a server, and a few other things. I just want it to burn disks, copy disks, and make music CD's. I don't think it needs to become a server on the internet to do that nor do I think it needs to access the internet to do that. Therefore, I am going to uninstall it and put Nero 6 back in or something else that works better and doesn't hibernate on my Start line nor need to access the internet.

Other programs don't necessarily make you delete other versions. Premiere is one, for example. I have three different versions of Premiere plus Premiere elements on one computer and can use them all as needed.

I found we have an older Panasonic standalone DVD recorder at work. I will try and burn a disk in it and see how it copies at home.