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  1. I have a TDK 440N DVD-+R DVD Recorder for my computer. I'm running Windows XP and I have added the only firmware for my writer that I could find. This burner is decent I mean I really can't burn over 1X which I haven't but every time I try and burn a movie or DVD copy of my movies (by the way I use the newest Nero porgram) the burner won't even complete the seeking, this happens a lot of the times it will also say power calibeartion error sometimes. Very rarily it will get half or more than half complete then freeze. The only really good thing about all this is that as long as it burns the first five to ten mins. of the dvd it will usually work now it refuses to even complete the seeking costing me hundreds of coasters which is really pissing me off considering that I have a lot of projects to burn, can somebody please tell me what in the hell is wrong with my stupid burner thanks. you guyes always find the problem so I know I can trust you.It might be my DMA mode or something but I dunno how to check that and also if you need my log of nero I will be happy to give you one.

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  2. By the way evrything is set to DMA if available I checked
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    Yes, please, a burn log would be very helpful.
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  4. Windows XP 5.1
    IA32
    WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=4.60 (1021), size=45056 bytes, created 9/10/1999 12:06:00 PM
    ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Ahead\nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.56, size=163910 bytes, created 4/2/2003 8:13:44 AM
    Nero version: 6.0.0.0
    Recorder: <TDK DVDRW0404N> Version: 1.08 - HA 3 TA 0 - 6.0.0.0
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 3
    Drive buffer : 2048kB
    Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
    CD-ROM: <TDK DVDRW0404N >Version: 1.08 - HA 3 TA 0 - 6.0.0.0
    Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 3

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : ST380011A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : TDK DVDRW0404N atapi Port 3 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON DVD+RW SOHW-802S atapi Port 3 ID 1 DMA: Off
    CdRomPeripheral : AXV CD/DVD-ROM 2.2a a347scsi Port 4 ID 0 DMA: ?
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    CmdQueuing : 1
    CmdNotification: 2
    WriteBufferSize: 38797312 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    EraseSpeed : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 238MB (244464kB)
    Free physical memory: 78MB (80604kB)
    Memory in use : 67 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    27.10.2006
    DVD-Video
    10:56:43 AM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    10:56:43 AM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    10:56:43 AM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 5451
    Iso document burn settings
    ------------------------------------------
    Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    Simulate : FALSE
    Write : TRUE
    Finalize CD : TRUE
    Multisession : FALSE
    Burning mode : DAO
    Mode : 1
    ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    Character set : ISO 9660
    Joliet : TRUE
    Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
    Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
    Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

    10:56:43 AM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    DVD-Video files sorted

    10:56:43 AM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
    Reader running

    10:56:43 AM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 127
    Writer TDK DVDRW0404N running

    10:56:43 AM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3814
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    10:56:43 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3814
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    10:56:43 AM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3081
    Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

    10:56:44 AM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 224
    Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45)
    Last address to be written: 1895855 (421:18.05)

    10:56:44 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 229
    Write in overburning mode: FALSE

    10:56:44 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 1688
    Recorder: TDK DVDRW0404N, Media type: DVD-R
    Disc Manufacturer: RITEKG - 05
    Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

    10:56:44 AM #13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 757
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original CD pos #0 + 1895856 (1895856) = #1895856/421:18.6
    relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 1895856 blocks [TDK DVDRW0404N ]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    10:56:44 AM #14 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3318
    Recorder and media-info ======================= Burning to TDK DVDRW0404N on a DVD-R media

    10:56:44 AM #15 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 910
    Prepare recorder TDK DVDRW0404N for write in cue-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN:
    TOCTYPE: 0x0 Session Closed, CD fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 0 307200 -411947008

    10:56:45 AM #16 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    Caching of files started

    10:56:45 AM #17 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    Caching of files completed

    10:56:45 AM #18 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    Burn process started at 2x (2,760 KB/s)

    10:56:45 AM #19 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2104
    Verifying CD position of item 0 (relocatable, CD pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    10:56:45 AM #20 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1678
    Set remaining time: 23:33,774 (1413774ms) -> OK

    10:56:45 AM #21 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1407
    Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

    10:56:45 AM #22 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 18119
    Set BUFE: supported -> ON

    10:56:45 AM #23 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1522
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    10:56:45 AM #24 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 7827
    ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
    Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
    Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
    Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
    Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
    Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
    Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
    End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26127F h
    End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
    Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
    Media Specific:
    30 01 02 04 06 00 00 00 - 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0...............
    02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

    10:57:48 AM #25 SCSI -1106 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1361
    SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 0, LUN 0, buffer 0x04300000
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x73
    Sense Qual: 0x03
    CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x73 0x03

    10:57:48 AM #26 CDR -1106 File Writer.cpp, Line 335
    Power calibration error

    10:57:49 AM #27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 227
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    10:57:49 AM #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 221
    conversion idle, stopping reader

    10:57:53 AM #29 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1678
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    10:57:57 AM #30 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1678
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    10:57:59 AM #31 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    Burn process failed at 2x (2,760 KB/s)


    Existing drivers:
    File 'Drivers\ADPU160M.SYS': Ver=v3.60a (Lab01_N(johnstra).010529-2218), size=101888 bytes, created 8/17/2001 9:07:32 PM
    File 'Drivers\ASPI32.SYS': Ver=4.60 (1021), size=25244 bytes, created 9/10/1999 12:06:00 PM
    File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.03.32a, size=20640 bytes, created 7/26/2006 7:05:53 PM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
    File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=?.?.?.?, size=95360 bytes, created 8/3/2004 10:59:44 PM (Adapter driver for rec)

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

    ====== *** Nero-Burning Rom, History File *** ======

    === Scsi-Device-Map ===
    DiskPeripheral : ST380011A atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : TDK DVDRW0404N atapi Port 3 ID 0 DMA: On
    CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON DVD+RW SOHW-802S atapi Port 3 ID 1 DMA: Off
    CdRomPeripheral : AXV CD/DVD-ROM 2.2a a347scsi Port 4 ID 0 DMA: ?
    =======================

    AutoRun : 1
    Excluded drive IDs:
    CmdQueuing : 1
    CmdNotification: 2
    WriteBufferSize: 38797312 (0) Byte
    ShowDrvBufStat : 0
    EraseSpeed : 0
    BUFE : 0
    Physical memory : 238MB (244464kB)
    Free physical memory: 26MB (27352kB)
    Memory in use : 88 %
    Uncached PFiles: 0x0
    Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
    Use Inquiry : 1
    Global Bus Type: default (0)
    Check supported media : Disabled (0)

    27.10.2006
    DVD-Video
    1:04:42 AM #1 Phase 112 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    DVD-Video files reallocation started

    1:04:42 AM #2 Phase 114 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)

    1:04:42 AM #3 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 5451
    Iso document burn settings
    ------------------------------------------
    Determine maximum speed : FALSE
    Simulate : FALSE
    Write : TRUE
    Finalize CD : TRUE
    Multisession : FALSE
    Burning mode : DAO
    Mode : 1
    ISO Level : 1 (Max. of 11 = 8 + 3 char)
    Character set : ISO 9660
    Joliet : TRUE
    Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : FALSE
    Allow more than 255 characters in path : FALSE
    Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

    1:04:42 AM #4 Phase 111 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    DVD-Video files sorted

    1:04:42 AM #5 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
    Reader running

    1:04:42 AM #6 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 127
    Writer TDK DVDRW0404N running

    1:04:42 AM #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3814
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    1:04:42 AM #8 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3814
    First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

    1:04:42 AM #9 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3081
    Turn on Disc-at-once, using DVD media

    1:05:09 AM #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 224
    Last possible write address on media: 2298495 (510:46.45)
    Last address to be written: 2174318 (483:10.68)

    1:05:09 AM #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 229
    Write in overburning mode: FALSE

    1:05:09 AM #12 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 1688
    Recorder: TDK DVDRW0404N, Media type: DVD-R
    Disc Manufacturer: RITEKG - 05
    Disc Application Code: 64, Disc Physical Code: 193

    1:05:09 AM #13 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 757
    Setup items (after recorder preparation)
    0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
    2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
    original CD pos #0 + 2174319 (2174319) = #2174319/483:10.69
    relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
    -> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2174319 blocks [TDK DVDRW0404N ]
    --------------------------------------------------------------

    1:05:09 AM #14 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3318
    Recorder and media-info ======================= Burning to TDK DVDRW0404N on a DVD-R media

    1:05:09 AM #15 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3694
    Can only write at 2x instead of 2x to current disc

    1:05:09 AM #16 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 910
    Prepare recorder TDK DVDRW0404N for write in cue-sheet-DAO
    DAO infos:
    ==========
    MCN:
    TOCTYPE: 0x0 Session Closed, CD fixated
    Tracks 1 to 1:
    TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 0 307200 158345216

    1:05:09 AM #17 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    Caching of files started

    1:05:09 AM #18 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    Caching of files completed

    1:05:09 AM #19 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    Burn process started at 2x (2,760 KB/s)

    1:05:09 AM #20 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2104
    Verifying CD position of item 0 (relocatable, CD pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

    1:05:09 AM #21 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1678
    Set remaining time: 26:54,830 (1614830ms) -> OK

    1:05:09 AM #22 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1407
    Recording mode: Sequential Recording Mode

    1:05:09 AM #23 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 18119
    Set BUFE: supported -> ON

    1:05:09 AM #24 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 1522
    Start write address at LBA 0
    DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

    1:05:09 AM #25 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 7827
    ---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
    Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
    Book Type: DVD-R (2), Part Version: 5
    Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
    Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
    Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
    Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
    End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26127F h
    End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
    Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
    Media Specific:
    30 01 02 04 06 00 00 00 - 08 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0...............
    02 FE 10 00 02 FF A0 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
    00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

    1:05:25 AM #26 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 318
    01:05:25.140 - TDK DVDRW0404N : Queue again later (Intervall : 23msec)

    1:32:13 AM #27 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 112
    <TDK DVDRW0404N > start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2174319 (212D6Fh), lenght 0 blocks

    1:32:13 AM #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 227
    all writers idle, stopping conversion

    1:33:02 AM #29 SCSI -1093 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1151
    SCSI Exec, HA 3, TA 0, LUN 0
    Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
    HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
    TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
    Sense Key: 0x03 (KEY_MEDIUM_ERROR)
    Sense Code: 0x02
    Sense Qual: 0x00
    CDB Data: 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
    Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x03 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0A
    0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x02 0x00

    1:33:02 AM #30 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1678
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    1:33:02 AM #31 CDR -1093 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1594
    No seek complete

    1:33:02 AM #32 TRANSFER -24 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 1594
    Could not perform end of Disc-at-once

    1:33:02 AM #33 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1678
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    1:33:02 AM #34 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1678
    Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

    1:33:02 AM #35 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1818
    Burn process failed at 2x (2,760 KB/s)


    Existing drivers:
    File 'Drivers\ADPU160M.SYS': Ver=v3.60a (Lab01_N(johnstra).010529-2218), size=101888 bytes, created 8/17/2001 9:07:32 PM
    File 'Drivers\ASPI32.SYS': Ver=4.60 (1021), size=25244 bytes, created 9/10/1999 12:06:00 PM
    File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.03.32a, size=20640 bytes, created 7/26/2006 7:05:53 PM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
    File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=?.?.?.?, size=95360 bytes, created 8/3/2004 10:59:44 PM (Adapter driver for rec)

    Registry Keys:
    HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
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    This drive is rather dated, you may want to consider a new burner.
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    try putting only the tdk drive on the second ide channel and the drive with the os on the main ide channel. set the jumper on the rear of the drive to master and see if it works.
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    Ghettorapboy7,

    First things first...the logs say you have a "TDK DVDRW0404N" drive with firmware version 1.08. I can't seem to get a link to work right, but if you go to rpc1.org, click "Download Search" on the left, and enter "DVDRW0404N" (without the quotes), you'll come to a page that has firmware up to 1.0C for your drive. Upgrading your firmware may be all that's needed for the RITEKG - 05 media you're using.

    The error you're getting is caused by an incompatibility between the drive and the media, which is why upgrading the firmware is the most likely fix for the problem.
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  8. Thats you guyes I appreciate the help I'm going to try the firmware for now because that might be the problem. Do you think if I just use TDK Media DVD's will that help cure the problem?
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    Ghettorapboy7,

    Yes, if you use (good) media that was available when your current firmware was written, you should be able to burn again. Use whatever normally works with your burner. If TDK has been working, then use that.

    If you do try other media, it would be a good idea to post the burn log from it. Any other problems would be easier to see. For example, the logs you've already posted show large amounts of memory are in use while you're trying to burn. It's a good idea to not do other things on the computer while a burn is in progress.
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    @Ghettorapboy7, Hi....Just wanted 2 say I agree VegasBud...Using good media and always keeping ur firmware up to date is very good practice....Here is the website I use for firmware updates....I found your's if u havent found it already....Have a great day....

    http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_firmware.php?download_id=1596
    ~~~U WON'T KNOW IF U DON'T ASK~~~
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  11. Thanks a lot! You guyes are a great help I'll post the new log with the TDK it usually does work when I use better media because right now I'm using pretty crappy media But I think the firmware is up to date but I'll look for that also and I never do anything while it burning but thanks for the heads up
    Thanks again
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  12. Thanks for the firmware hopefully this helps too I'll let you guyes know when I get some TDK blanks
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  13. Originally Posted by Ghettorapboy7
    Power calibration error
    When I saw that...............!!!

    I had the same problem with one of my PCs.

    I think I found the problem for my power calibration errors.

    Dust!!!

    That means heat build-up and faulty connections.

    I blew out the PC and the burner (carefully) and the
    problem seems to have ceased.

    Don't know if that's what's wrong with your PC but
    maybe this will help somebody!

    Dust has always been a problem on all of my PCs and has
    even brought them to a standstill.
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    I can't see that anyone's suggested using re-writeable media: DVD+/-RW - it won't solve why the write is failing, but at least you won't be wasting discs!
    There is some corner of a foreign field that is forever England: Telstra Stadium, Sydney, 22/11/2003.

    Carpe diem.

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  15. Now when I put in a blank DVD it won't even say its in there but all other types of media work I dunno. I upgraded the firmware to the latest and now all this is happening I'm going to try the get rid of the dust.
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  16. Originally Posted by Ghettorapboy7
    Now when I put in a blank DVD it won't even say its in there but all other types of media work I dunno. I upgraded the firmware to the latest and now all this is happening I'm going to try the get rid of the dust.
    When my drives wouldn't recognize a disk I learned that I could delete the CD filters
    in the registry. I think I learned it on this website but I can't find the original post.
    It was a few years ago.

    I found 2 similar posts, and a Google search for 'delete upper lower filters' will bring
    up more info.

    I'm NOT recommending it, but it did always work for me.


    https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=312889&highlight=upper+filters

    https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=304574&highlight=upper+filters

    As for the dust..... People probably laughed at my post about dust, but it will
    harm the PC (heat build-up, etc).
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    Originally Posted by GKar
    This drive is rather dated, you may want to consider a new burner.
    This is the second post that you answered that way. Do you sell burners?
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    Originally Posted by lawnman
    Originally Posted by GKar
    This drive is rather dated, you may want to consider a new burner.
    This is the second post that you answered that way. Do you sell burners?

    No, but I may give up on this reply, I'm running out of breath!
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