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Some days it seems as if all I'm doing is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic
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Originally Posted by Cornucopia
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Hope is important, but we need a plan.
The individuals and institutions that have seized control of our government and economic lives have a plan. They've been executing their plan for decades.
Part of their plan was to destroy the institutions through which the citizens could effect change. Been pretty successful, as far as I can tell.
We can change things, but we need to agree on a plan and execute it collectively. -
I'm encouraged that Toshiba, Sony and the MPAA chickened out on HDCP for HD/BD DVD intro at the last minute. They probably discovered too many tech glitches and wanted to first get us hooked.
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I think what they "discovered" is that a large portion of the cutting edge buyers, the main target for HD players, had already bought HDTVs without HDMI/HDCP.
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I think they forgot to take into account all that piracy puts IN to the economy... Look at all of those jobs created by people buying burning hardware, media, etc. dws
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Originally Posted by jagabo
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Originally Posted by CornucopiaSome days it seems as if all I'm doing is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic
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Call me strange, however I do think some revenue is being lost to piracy. More revenue is being lost to poor product and not enough money to buy eberything just because it might be good.
Why I don't go to movie theatres? The Experience, the cost, and most importantly the commercials leave me wondering what the movie is actually about. They play things out of sequence in the Adverts (Coming attractions too) and I could care less about the raves for Special effects, If the plots no good SFX can't help.
I do believe MS is losing revenue to pirates. As many Pirate XP Pros as I see. Or the contiuning demand for Ofice 2000 and Windows 2000... No activation needed. -
Originally Posted by TBoneit
The illegal DVDs sold in countries like China probably affect the amount more than the online pirates. The China market is still of people with relatively low incomes compared to ours, and DVDs are soooo overpriced, that they simply cannot afford them. But if you read the initial report, it seems as though all the money is being lost in the U.S., and it would be 100% recouped by eliminating online piracy (with a good copyprotection). This is just hype to instill the fear in polititions who don't look at the details of the #'s, just the #s of dollars contributed.Some days it seems as if all I'm doing is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic -
Another annoying thing about going to the theater is that you have no control over the sound volume level. There are times that it is just too loud. It can be almost painful to the ear.
It is really great to read a thread like this without some nut case turning it into his own recreational tirade. The recent banning of a particularly notorious social mutant has improved the atmosphere on this forum tremendously. -
Originally Posted by SCDVDSome days it seems as if all I'm doing is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic
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Originally Posted by normcar
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Originally Posted by SCDVDSome days it seems as if all I'm doing is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic
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Originally Posted by jagabo
It isn't clear to me whether the DVI/HDMI outputs go black or to 960x540 if the HDCP key isn't valid. -
Originally Posted by Conquest10
I think its also worth noting that the $20.5 billion is in lost revenue, not lost profits. That makes all the difference in the world.
If you look at the numbers less than 1/6th of the losses come from the US. The vast majority of the losses are coming from pirating in China. To me, this survey is more of an estimate as to how much money the motion picture industry could make if they found a way to successfully market their industry in China. -
maybe true but not every pirate copy is a lost sale, there are plenty of movies out there that i wouldn't mind watching but certainly not bother to go to the movies to see it, so in theory its not a lost sale because i would never have gone in the 1st place.
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Originally Posted by edDV
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Originally Posted by kicko
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Originally Posted by adam
"Would you illegally download a movie rather than buy it?"
""would you buy a movie if you could get it for free?"
are two vastly different ways to put the same question. I've taken surveys where the taker had to explain nearly every question due to the ambiguous wording.
Another flaw is the person's honesty. It's like asking "How many people have you had sex with?" in front of that person's significant other. Or how many people bought Britney Spear's Crossroads and will admit it (or download it)?
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Originally Posted by adam
This "survey" seems very flawed. Asking what they would rather pay than buying a bootleg DVD shouldn't count as lost revenue. I would love a Ferrari but would only want to spend $5000 for it so I guess I'm stuck with a Dart. Is that $5000 in lost revenue for Ferrari? No, because they would never sell me one of their cars for that little.His name was MackemX
What kind of a man are you? The guy is unconscious in a coma and you don't have the guts to kiss his girlfriend? -
That's not what they asked people Conquest10. They asked how much money they physically would have spent on movies if they had not obtained illegal copies instead. Maybe that means a prolific bootleg purchaser would have only bought one or two movies if they didn't have the capability to illegally obtain hundreds. That's still just one or two lost sales.
Its more like buying a Ferrari stolen off the production line for $5,000 when you would have bought a Dart instead. Dart is the one that lost $5,000 but we're talking about the collective industry here. The "automobile industry" just lost $5,000 because that money went to some crook on the street instead. -
Originally Posted by SingSing
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Originally Posted by adam
Your car comparison doesn't work the same way here. It would be not the big studios that are losing money but the small ones that put public domain cartoons on DVD and sell them for $2-3. Pirates are hurting them because instead of these DVDs people can now purchase Hollywood movies for the same price. So they are the ones losing potential sales, not the big Hollywood studios.His name was MackemX
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Originally Posted by Conquest10
Its a simple question. If you could not pirate DVDs would you buy more instead? If so how much more do you estimate that you'd spend? -
Who spends $100 on bootlegs? How can it be counted as lost revenue if they cannot possibly get that money? Does Leica blame Walgreens for its financial problems because Walgreens sells film cameras for $5 with unlimited film refills? No because the people that buy the $5 cameras would never even think of spending $4000 on a film camera.
His name was MackemX
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For those people who are only willing to spend that small amount of money on films their answer to the question of the survey would be no, and it would not amount to an estimated lost sale. I really don't understand where you are going with this. People are perfectly capable of judging how much they would spend on a product from one source, if a cheaper source for it were no longer available. People do it every day.
$100, $1, use any numbers you like. The point is that people DO spend money on bootlegs and if they did not have this capability then that money would have gone somewhere else. Maybe a stick of gum, maybe into their bank accounts, or maybe towards the purchase of some smaller amount of legitimate DVDs. -
Since I actually purchased a legit DVD of "Battlefield Earth" I feel I have done more than my fair share to support Hollywood. Hey, I really liked the book. If you don't know, the movie was only remotely similar and not very good.
On those rare occassions I do go to the theater, I take a jacket and put a cold Coke in one pocket and a Wendy's cheeseburger in the other. No $5.00 candy bars for me.
I AM excited about a trip to see an IMAX movie, 2-hour drive from home. The standard movie theater no longer offers something "special" over what I can get at home, and I haven't had the need to visit a drive-in since I got married. (I guess the two are kind of similar). There aren't any around here, anyway.
As has been said, there is little hard data here, only guesses. My favorite "survey" was when they put a guy outside a public restroom and asked people if they had washed their hands. Something like a 95% positive. Then they put the guy inside, asked no questions but simply stood by the sink with a clipboard, taking notes. Hand-washing around 75%. Then they took the guy out and put in a hidden camera. Actual numbers with no interference was around 60%.
No, they did not mention how many worked in the food service industry, but...
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