windv can it work in safe mode dropped frames issue

[jezzer]

its impossible to edit its choppy and sometimes it freezes the audio splutters,i know i should get another hard drive but i know plenty of people who do it on one hard drive,and they have lower specs

there is not much else i can do as ive done a format with no other prgrams,i thought by doing it that way it would work

[FulciLives]

its impossible to edit its choppy and sometimes it freezes the audio splutters,i know i should get another hard drive but i know plent of people who do it on one hard drive,and they have lower specs

there is not much else i can do as ive done a format with no other prgrams,i thought by doing it that way it would work

It's looking more and more like your computer has some "oddball" glitch in it. It's troubleshoot time!

Try updating everything that can be updated like the BIOS and stuff like that ... could also be you have bad memory. Even for a fast computer the playback (smooth like) of DV-AVI is very processor heavy so if you have bad memory ... that could be the problem. In other words start looking at just general computer issue problems.

Although even if it is something simple like bad RAM memory you still should really have a 2nd physical HDD for video work.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[jezzer]

i forgot to mention i have ran programs to see if ive got a ram issue and its all fine

i bought a dv camera for editing with my pc,ill see what else i can do

[Nelson37]

You have only just now mentioned the K-Lite codec pack. What other COMPLETE CRAP software have you loaded, other than this PIECE OF JUNK, which might be causing your problem?

Formatting only gives a clean PC if you do NOT load BAD, POORLY PERFORMING, DESTRUCTIVE software after the format.

PC problems do not exist in isolation. They are often the result of a combination of factors. Loading codec packs is a very common cause of many issues and quite probably is your problem. Doing even a minimum of reading on this site would have told you that loading a codec pack is quite simply a bad idea.

Also note a couple of issues. You thought you had dropped frames, your analysis method for determining this was flawed, answering the question earlier would have saved everyone a lot of time. You have several times insisted you had a clean PC because you formatted, but did not mention what you installed after the format. In both cases you made invalid, flawed assumptions which were then compounded by not providing the information.

Try a format, followed by loading ONLY the codec (singular, as in one and only one) required by the camera and/or something like WinDV, disconnect from the Internet, NO antivirus, NO antispy, and test. Most of this is detailed in that sticky I keep mentioning.

[jezzer]

thats what i have done what ive said is ive tried lots of programs codecs,also what ive said is ive done a format with no other programs so there was no BAD, POORLY PERFORMING, DESTRUCTIVE software,its a clean pc with no crap,there is no codec that came with the camera the only thing that came with the camera was the software for the picture editing,not video editing

when i do transfer it to my pc it does make everyting slow afterwards and now it takes longer to boot even when there is no programs no antvirus programs to load

[FulciLives]

I think some people should just not have a computer. End of story. Period.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[jezzer]

somehow i dont think thats right i work for a well known isp i built my own pc,if i did not know what i was doing i would of not bought a dv camera to edit.

ive done everything accept buying a second hard drive which it looks like im going to have to do

[gadgetguy]

Buying a second hard drive is a good idea, but it's not going to fix the problems you seem to be having. There appears to be something fundamentally wrong with your PC. You did give us a list of your computer specs, but now that we're on the second page it would be helpful if you would fill those into the Computer Details of your Profile so we can reference it from wherever we are in the thread.
Very early in this thread I suggested checking if the drive is in DMA mode. You never indicated whether you checked this or not so I will ask again more directly.
Is your drive running in DMA mode or PIO mode?

[jezzer]

yea its in dma mode and i better fill out my pc specs

[FulciLives]

There appears to be something fundamentally wrong with your PC.

This is what I was trying to say and it seems to me that jezzer is incapable of figuring it out by himself (or herself or whatever).

Although sometimes a computer is just fucked up in a hard to assertain way. For instance my uncle once bought a computer from a small company that built their computer from parts (i.e., not a brand name like Compaq) and that thing never did work correctly. One of the "oddball" things it would do ... when you would be using the cursor keys to move around an Excel spreadsheet ... every now and then ... a number "8" would get input into a cell you were "passing by" even though nothing was being pressed but a cursor key. Go figure that one out! ... and yes I tried another known-to-work keyboard LOL

Sometimes it's just like that.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[gadgetguy]

Let's go back to basics. When was the last time you opened the case and gave it a good cleaning? Including pulling off the CPU fan, cleaning the fins, and reapplying fresh heat sink compound?

[jezzer]

specs updated in profile,i gave it a good clean 2months ago when i moved into my new home,as it had been in storage

[gadgetguy]

Did you pull and reseat all cards and cables after taking it out of storage?

[jezzer]

yea i took everything out and made sure there were sitting in right

[gadgetguy]

Is this the computer that you are communicating with us on?

[jezzer]

yes it is i do have a laptop but its not that good,shame i cant link to this one to see whats going on

strange just looked in device manager and my primary ide channel is saying pio mode this has only just happend as this was the first thing i checked,not to worry i changed it back to dma

i know windows reverts hard drives back to PIO mode when it gets read errors

[gadgetguy]

Which is why I kept asking about it. Do you have anything on the Secondary channel?

[jezzer]

ive got a dvd writer and dvd rom

[gadgetguy]

Do you have anything else on the Primary besides the Hard drive?

[jezzer]

no nothing else on primary

[gadgetguy]

Have you retested after changing back to DMA mode?

[jezzer]

im just doing it now i did a quick test only 5minutes i did have dropped frames but the picture came out fine,ill cross my fingers ill do the rest in wmm

[gadgetguy]

If you have dropped frames then it is not fine. You should have zero dropped frames when capsferring from a camcorder via firewire. Keeping in mind that there are system operations that could interrupt, which would make a second hard drive necessary. I would forget WMM and continue using WinDV until the problem is resolved. (Actually, I would forget WMM altogether and never go back to it.)

[jezzer]

15minutes long and i got the problem again, but also its back into pio mode?

[gadgetguy]

Try moving it to the Secondary and see if it happens again.
IF it still happens try replacing the IDE cable (make sure it's an 80 conductor).

[jezzer]

right then im getting there when it finished transfering to my pc i played it and it was not watchable,i checked device manager and it said it was in pio mode,so ive just uninstalled it did a reboot checked it was in dma,then i played it and it works perfect

so what is the cause

this was in windows movie maker in windv it still comes up with drop frames

[gadgetguy]

right then im getting there when it finished transfering to my pc i played it and it was not watchable,i checked device manager and it said it was in pio mode,so ive just uninstalled it did a reboot checked it was in dma,then i played it and it works perfect

so what is the cause

this was in windows movie maker in windv it still comes up with drop frames

If you are getting dropped frames in WinDV then I can guarantee that you are getting them in WMM too. WMM just masks it. WinDV is not the problem, it is the means of revealing the problem. You are clearly having hard drive problems if Windows keeps reverting back to PIO mode. In order to determine the cause you need to make changes and observe the results. That's why I suggested changing to the Secondary channel to see if the problem follows. If it does, try changing the cable. Signal interference could be causing read errors.

Maybe Nelson37 or FulciLives has some other/better suggestions on what to check in the way of logs and such. (Edit: I don't use WinXP so I'm not up on all the ins and outs of it.)

[jezzer]

ok cheers ill try that in the morning,in win dv it takes out the frames am i right? but in wmm it does not? where can i read up about dropped frames im not rally sure what it is

[gadgetguy]

Dropping frames is, put simply, data loss. The MiniDV tape holds a stream of data, not a file. When you capsfer, the data is transferred from the tape across the firewire and your capsferring app (like WinDV) takes the data stream and puts it into a file. It is in the same format as on the tape, but now contained in an .avi file. If the capsfer app cannot write the data fast enough to keep up with the data stream it will ignore the stream until it finishes the write operation and then resume. The data that is lost while it's ignoring the stream results in dropped frames. Often times frames can be dropped and it's not noticable when viewing the video and some apps will pad the video to keep it in synch with the audio, but either way, that data is gone. Editing often reveals that frames were dropped resulting in synch loss or other problems.
WinDV utilyzes a buffer to minimize the occurance of dropped frames and has proven to be one of the most reliable capsfer programs available. It will tell you if you are dropping frames allowing you to take corrective action. Apps that don't report dropped frames are IMO worthless.

[jezzer]

thnaks ive just taken my pc case off and took out the ram and took the cables off the hard drive/motherboard,thinking it could be a dogy connection,but im still getting dropped frames

when using windv i get no sound when its set to type2 avi (vids+auds) but if i have it on type1 avi (iavs) i have sound