AutoGK - forced subs encodes who's talking in commentaries

[Topher5000]

On a couple movies I've encoded, Titanic & Star Wars ROTJ, the text identifying who's speaking on the commentaries was encoded in the picture when I selected Forced Subs. With Titanic, I selected English / Normal Cations: Wide. I can't remember what I selected for ROTJ.
Since ROTJ needs the subs for alien language, is there a way around this? Is it just trial & error with subtitle selection?
Thanks.

[manono]

Well, when there's a bunch of subtitle choices, it's usually a good idea to choose one and run the Preview so you can see what you've chosen. Beats doing the encoding and then coming back to find out you have to start all over again.

And alien talk isn't always a forced sub. Often it has its own sub stream (meaning it's not forced).

[giannid]

You can use SubRip to rip the subtitles into a small .srt (text) file. Then you can open up the subtitles manually using notepad, or in a program called Subtitle Workshop where you can delete the subtitle lines you don't want. Then with the resulting subtitle file, just name it the same as the video file, e.g. ROTJ.avi and ROTJ.srt, and put them in the same folder.

These programs are simple to use once you get used to them.

[giannid]

Sorry, I think I misunderstood when I gave my response above.

You picked English/normal captions as a subtitle option. This is for english speaking people with hearing disablilities, so you will get the subtitles for all talking.

I've never used the forced subtitle option, but you might try to just tick that box Display only forced subtitles in the advanced settings, without selecting a subtitle file.

[manono]

OK, you really want to know how to find them? And without running the Preview for each and every sub stream on the DVD. It's extra work, but it's guaranteed:

Get the subs yourself, all of them. AutoGK just gets one stream at a time. Open VobSub Configure. It comes with the VobSub package, or if you have GKnot installed, you'll find it in the Subtitles Tab. Select the IFO for the VTS that contains your movie (Open->Dropdown box->IFO), give it a destination and click OK. When done, click OK twice and you'll have all the subs for that movie in one IDX/SUB set of files. Then open it in Sub Resynch (included in VobSub or found in the Subtitle Tab of GKnot). 4 lines down on the left is the dropdown box listing all the different sub streams. Click on them one at a time and check out the different sub streams. Don't be put off if some say a different language from what you want. Sometimes they're mislabeled. Check them all. If they're Forced Subs, they'll be marked as such when you open the correct stream (over on the right is a column where the Forced Sub lines are noted). You can click on each line to see what the dialog is. If there are a lot of sub streams, be careful which you pick, as the numbering is different between the 2 programs. The first one in AutoGK is marked as 00 in Resynch. If it's alien dialog you're after, and if they're Forced, they'll be marked as such in one or more of the large streams. If they're not Forced, they'll have their own stream, and that stream will be small.

Sometimes when there are a lot of sub streams, and especially when there are Forced Subs involved, or some dialog in a foreign or alien language, this is actually the fastest way to find them, since AutoGK has to go through the entire process for each sub stream. If you're keeping them external, you can use VobSubStrip to get rid of any and all of the streams you don't want, and just skip AutoGK for getting the subs. If you're burning them into the video, you go back into AutoGK and pick the stream you discovered, and tick Forced or not, depending on whether or not they're forced subs.

I think the Return Of The Jedi ones are forced, because in their stream there's some other junk. If you have the R1 DVD, try these streams:

0x22 - Subtitle - English / Normal Captions - [SubPicture 02: Wide] / LBA: 5 / PTS: 00:00:00.198 / Delay: 0ms, and
0x23 - Subtitle - English / Normal Captions - [SubPicture 02: Letterbox] / LBA: 6 / PTS: 00:00:00.198 / Delay: 0ms