DVD-R Longevity

[dafoe]

Yesterday I transfered two DVDs That I burned on my set-top back in January of 2001. Both discs transferred and burned to Tayio Yudens flawlessly. Both the originals were generics.


I know this doesn't mean much, beacause we are only talking about two discs. But I thought it might make some of you feel a little bit better. I was pretty happy/relieved.

[lordsmurf]

They did not have set-tops back in January 2001. Maybe you mean January 2002? But even then, you'd have a Japanese import of a Panasonic, they were not being sold in the USA yet.

I also have burns dating back to 2001, some of the first DVD-R media on the first Pioneer DVD-R(G) drive. They all work fine.

[samijubal]

My E-10 is dated September 2000. I bought it August 31 2001, it was old then, marked down from $3000 to $1000. It's not a Japanese import, it's a region 1 recorder. I bought my E-20 in November of the same year.

[jsmithepa]

Yesterday, I read some circa 1989 720kb floppies. Still works! just to make yall feel better.

[lordsmurf]

My E-10 is dated September 2000. I bought it August 31 2001, it was old then, marked down from $3000 to $1000. It's not a Japanese import, it's a region 1 recorder. I bought my E-20 in November of the same year.

No. I'm sorry, you are wrong. DVD-R is not that old.

The DVD-R (General) format was not available in the USA until early 2001*. Set top DVD recorders followed much later, in 2002. In 2000, it was primarily still in development as a format.

Japan had about a 6-month lead time over the USA versions. Sadly, however, the USA recorders had Japanese IRE, so the discs it made were pretty much worthless quality.

The DMR-E10 only did DVD-RAM, not DVD-R.
The DMR-E20 was mostly an early 2002 model.**
The DMR-E30 came afterwards.


* I don't know the exact time that the DVD-RAM/DVD-R(G) combo drives were made available. That was mostly made for the professional market. It had very little lead time over the Pioneer 103, if it was an earlier release.
** The units were fairly hard to come by when officially released in late 2001. Full stock was not available until after the Christmas season, in early 2002.

[samijubal]

The E-10 only did RAM, that much is true. You said they did not have standalones in 2001, not true. The E-20 hit the market in November 2001, when I bought mine. Worthless, not hardly, my recordings that I made from my 4DTV satellite look fine. Your last post admits your first post was wrong. You say they weren't being sold in January 2002, your last post says late 2001.

[dafoe]

I recorded the 2001 NFL playoffs right up till the Pats v Rams Superbowl. I was thinking 2001 because it was the 2001 playoffs. But most of the 2001 playoffs actually took place in 2002. My Panasonic recorded to DVD-R and DVD Ram and I still have it somewhere.

I got mine no later than December2001/January2002 I don't remember when they first came out, but I had been eyeing one for a while- waiting for blank media prices to drop. By the time that happened (under $5 a disc) I was able to get mine for under $1,000.

With all due respect to you Lordsmurf, I am not crazy or senile. I distinctly remember recording the three Patriots' playoff victories from the 2001 season. The dates range from Jan 19, 2002 to Feb3, 2002 I still have the original 1x discs.

I bought my unit from an online retailer in New York and as far I can tell it is not an import. There are no Japanese menus and the owner's manual was in English.

[lordsmurf]

Context of the post has been DVD-R all along. Anything else is secondary conversation.

Dafoe, your last post sounds more like it, January 2002. That's the right ballpark for a USA Panasonic (first standalones) using DVD-R media. So your longevity info is for a 4-year period. That's all I was getting at. It's good information. But to prevent the "discs don't last long" naysayers from picking apart your data, it needed to be corrected.

I also have DVD-R and DVD-RW from 2001-2002, they work fine.

Now, are you sure those are Taiyo Yudens? I'm not aware of any TY media prior to 4x TYG01 DVD-R (2003). More likely, you'd have TDK media or PVC or MXL or something else. What's the code on those discs?

[pluche]

In november 2001 I bought a Panasonic E20 from a regular shop in Belgium and immediately started recording all my videocamera (sVHS) films on DVD-R - needless to say that both the recorder and the DVD-R discs were bloody expensive -
the DMR E20 died early this year but the originally recorded DVD-R's still work properly (Maxell)

[dafoe]

Context of the post has been DVD-R all along. Anything else is secondary conversation.

Dafoe, your last post sounds more like it, January 2002. That's the right ballpark for a USA Panasonic (first standalones) using DVD-R media. So your longevity info is for a 4-year period. That's all I was getting at. It's good information. But to prevent the "discs don't last long" naysayers from picking apart your data, it needed to be corrected.

I also have DVD-R and DVD-RW from 2001-2002, they work fine.

Now, are you sure those are Taiyo Yudens? I'm not aware of any TY media prior to 4x TYG01 DVD-R (2003). More likely, you'd have TDK media or PVC or MXL or something else. What's the code on those discs?

I think you misread my post. I transferred the originals to TYs a few days ago. I downloaded DVD Info and another program just now and both programs came up as TDKG010000. At the time TDK branded discs were around $10. Theses discs were only $3 or $4. So I'm not sure if it's correct. The top is purple and it says DVD-R For data & Video 120min/4.7GB

On the back of the jewel case are black and white graphics showing you what not to do with the disc (dump soda on it, etc) followed by written instructions titled- PRECAUTIONS ON USE

At the bottom it says Made in Taiwan.

[lordsmurf]

Those were probably PRINCO 1x DVD-R using a fake code. And the $3-4 range sounds perfect for Princo pricing in early 2002.