DVD won't play +DL DVD image

[asjt3]

I saved an image of a DL DVD on my computer using Nero, then burnt this image to a +DL DVD using ImgBurn. Attached is the log from my burn. The original and burnt DVD seem identical in content, so I can't unerstand why the new DVD won't play.

My only idea is that the DL DVD needs to be closed? But since it is an image burn, doesn't it close it automatically or no? Doesn ImgBurn close these types of files automatically?

Thanks for all your help,

Alex T

ofah%20disc%201%20series%204%20-%208-29-06.log

[VegasBud]

asjt3,

The burn log shows that it was a successful burn, it did verify correctly, and the book type was correctly set to "DVD-ROM" so the disk should be good.

When you say the burned disk doesn't play, do you mean in a dvd player or in the computer? If it won't play in a dvd player, it may be the RITEK-D01-01 media (I have a dvp-642 that will play Verbatim DL, but not RITEK-D01-01), or the player doesn't work with any burned DL (I have a pioneer that does that).

If the original is in PAL format, it also may not play on a dvd player distributed in the US.

There also may have been a problem with the rip, which might burn correctly, but is damaged internally.

If you'll cover your entire process (from rip to burn), either I or someone else could probably help you identify the problem. Also what dvd player you're using (if any).

I see this was your first post here, so welcome to Videohelp.

[TBoneit]

And I have had better luck with the same spindle of Memores +DL (Ritek) burning with a Lite-On, Using the Lite-On they all burn, Verify and play fine in the Player I did them for. They won't play in my Sony Jukebox, Will play in a Pioneer 531h.

Burning from the same spindle with a Pioneer 109 only about half ever finish and even fewer play ok.

The burner does make a difference as well as Media makes a difference.

[Cornucopia]

How did you get this NRG file? If it's a simple "ISO" of the original disc, and it's a Hollywood movie, could be you didn't decrypt it first, in which case, you would have garbage (which Imageburn did a fantastic job of correctly burning! )

Check your NRG file first, by mounting with Daemontools or NeroImageDrive. If it plays ok there, I'd say media problems. If not there, I'd guess it's a bad decryption/rip.

Scott

[lordsmurf]

You said "Nero". The problem starts and ends with that word.

[asjt3]

You said "Nero". The problem starts and ends with that word.

Lol, I guess I'm a real newb. All I did was stick the original in the DVD burner, burned the image using Nero, and then burn this image w/ imgburn.

The contents do look exactly the same, do I need to decrypt it? (IT was a BBC movie btw, and the original plays fine on my DVD player). I'll check the NeroImageDrive and see what happens, thanks.

[asjt3]

How do I mount with NeroImageDrive? (like I said, i'm a noob ) I'm using Nero Xpress 6.6.0.8, does this edition contain this app?

[CrayonEater]

If the DVD plays in your computer but not your DVD player, the problem is most likely, by far, the media. Also, it's possible that your DVD player doesn't bitset +R media to appear as DVD-ROM, which aids compatibility with some DVD players.

Failing that, if you couldn't get it to work by burning the image file with Imgburn, why not just burn it with Nero? That *SHOULD* work. Only if it doesn't, then try opening the file with Imagedrive and copying the contents to your hard disk (DO NOT try to burn directly from an Image loaded into Imagedrive - it's too quirky.) Make sure to use the DVD-Video compilation type if you go this route and put everything into the red video_ts folder.

Just click image drive and follow the instructions. It probably will ask you the first time you use it if you want to install an "unsigned driver". Allow it to do so. Then when you run it again, under the "Options" tab, it will have a check box to enable the first and/or second drive. You'll want at least the first drive enabled. Then you can use the other tab to load an image. Keep in mind that it'll also load the much more popular and versatile ISOs as well.

[lordsmurf]

A less than stellar disc, a less than steller DVD-ROM/burner, and a less than stellar DVD player .... could be the real issue here. It's not any 1 thing, but rather than everything is sort of mediocre and nothing wants to cooperate.

[asjt3]

A less than stellar disc, a less than steller DVD-ROM/burner, and a less than stellar DVD player .... could be the real issue here. It's not any 1 thing, but rather than everything is sort of mediocre and nothing wants to cooperate.

Well everything has worked so well with single-layer disks! The DVD I burned would play in neither the DVD player, nor my computer.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say ImageDrive? What I did to burn from Nero is stick the original DVD in, burn an image to a certain place on my hard drive, and then burn the new non-functional DVD from this image using ImgBurn.

Reason I used ImgBurn is because it is the only program that would detect my +DL DVD, Nero wouldn't (though it would burn an image from the manufactured original).

I just used DVD Decrypter to rip from the original DVD, and I got all the Video_TS vob, ifo, and bup files, but these seemed to already be on the non-functional DVD that I burned from an image, only under the main Video_TS folder. Would it make a difference if I burned these files to a new DVD as DVD-video files, after we've seen that an DVD [seemingly] containing these files in image form would not work?

[MOVIEGEEK]

1.Use Verbatim DVD+R DL.
2.Use DVDDecrypter ISO Read->ISO Write(use the MDS file as the source).
3.There is no guarantee that the disc will work in your DVD player...DL is less compatible than SL.

[VegasBud]

All I did was stick the original in the DVD burner, burned the image using Nero, and then burn this image w/ imgburn.

If the original dvd is commercial (not home-made) then we've identified the problem. Commercial disks use at least CSS encryption, most likely macrovision, and the newer the disk, the more anti-copy garbage on the disk. You have to use a ripping program to remove all the stuff that was put on the dvd to prevent you from backing it up. If the dvd was released more than a couple years ago, you may be able to just use DvdDecrypter on it. If it's more recent, you should get RipIt4Me to do the ripping. Once you have it ripped to your hard drive, just use ImgBurn v2 (the program you used to make the burn log) to burn it to a new disk. Just use "Build" mode on the directories, without creating an ISO. I"m not going to get into the details, because it will sound more difficult than it really is. If you have any questions about what to do, or encounter any problems, don't hesitate to ask for clarification, explanation, or just plain help.

If the original is home-made (with no encryption), all you have to do is copy the VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS directories on the original dvd and paste them into an empty directory on your hard drive. Then use ImgBurn in "Build" mode to burn the directory to a new disk.

EDIT:
I see you did try DvdDecrypter on the original. If you have a software dvd player on your computer, you should see if the DvdDecrypter rip will play. If it does, then just burn it to a new disk with ImgBurn. If it doesn't play on the computer, it would be helpful if you would post the DvdDecrypter rip log.

[asjt3]

EDIT:
I see you did try DvdDecrypter on the original. If you have a software dvd player on your computer, you should see if the DvdDecrypter rip will play. If it does, then just burn it to a new disk with ImgBurn. If it doesn't play on the computer, it would be helpful if you would post the DvdDecrypter rip log.

Thanks for the info. The DVD is commercial. Now when I used DVD Decrypter, it gave me all the DVD vob, ifo, and bup files. To play on a media player though, I have to "mount" these files as a drive right? How can I do this?

If these do work, should I use build mode and "build" these files to the DVD?

[VegasBud]

asjt3,

If you have vob, ifo, and bup files, all you have to do is open them in whatever dvd playing software you have. If the playing sofware wants you to select just one file, select VIDEO_TS.IFO. If you had DvdDecrypter output an ISO instead of the files, only then would need to "mount" the ISO in a virtual drive so you could access the vob, ifo, and bup files.

If the ripped dvd files play all right on the computer in software, you can follow this guide to see how to burn them to a disk using ImgBurn.

If the ripped dvd files don't play right on the computer, it's most likely that new copy protection interferred with getting a good rip using just DvdDecrypter. In that case you should use RipIt4Me to get a nice clean rip. There's a very helpful guide at the RipIt4Me site that you should check out. It also has a link to the FixVTS program which you should download and install before installing RipIt4Me.

If you run into any problems, post back with the details. I'll periodically check back to see if you need any help.

[lordsmurf]

I originally missed where it said RITEK DL media. That's even worse. Crappy media, using Nero, and then unknown player. Burner should be fine.

[asjt3]

Ok guys, so I wised up and figured out how to build all my DVD Decrypted files into an ISO image, then mount the image using Daemon tools. The image played fine, so then I burnt the .MDS file (thank you to image burn for making me choose this file ). The DVD plays fine on the computer now, but when I stick it in the DVD player (Sony SLV-D100) it won't play, giving me the message "check this disk." According to you guys, this probably means that the media is bad. This DVD player is 3+ years old, but it did play the original manufactured DL disk. It also has surprised me by playing DVD+RW disks.

So I'm waiting for your verdict: bad media or old DVD player

Thanks for all your help in turning me into a slightly competent DVD burner

[Cornucopia]

Ok, it sounds like I was right in the 1st place about the original rip not being decrypted.

Now, at least you have a disc Image file that is good. Next, get better media AND get a newer DVD player (they're probably both at fault here).

FYI, ALL dvd players must be able to recognize pressed media, whether SL or DL, otherwise they can't even be called DVD players. Recognition of recordable media (+/-R) is a bonus. +/- RW (rewritable) is a bonus on top of that (as it's less compatible). Recordable DL is a bonus on top of THAT (even less compatible). You'd be very lucky if you had an old player that DID play DL recordables (so I'm not surprised it didn't). Don't mistake pressed media from recordable/rewritable--the player doesn't.

Scott

[CrayonEater]

I have used both the DVD burner and that media, and they are a stellar combination, with flawless burns.

Sure, I have more confidence in Verbatim, but Ritek D01 hasn't let me down so far. As always with DVD work, knock on wood.

[VegasBud]

asjt3,

You're making the job more complicated and harder than it needs to be.

Ok guys, so I wised up and figured out how to build all my DVD Decrypted files into an ISO image, then mount the image using Daemon tools.

There was no reason to make an ISO, and mount it as a virtual drive, just to get access to the file structure you already had on your hard drive. A software dvd player just wants access to the files.

When burning with ImgBurn version 2, which you're using, there's also no need for an ISO. You just use "Build" mode to burn the video file structure directly to the disk. Forget ISOs. You don't need them, and you're wasting your time and energy.

As to your dvd player not playing the disk, according to this page here at Videohelp, your player does work with single layer DVD+/-R, but doesn't work with burned dual layer disks, so no matter what media ID your blank disk had, it wouldn't play. In the breakdown that Cornucopia provided:

Recognition of recordable media (+/-R) is a bonus. +/- RW (rewritable) is a bonus on top of that (as it's less compatible). Recordable DL is a bonus on top of THAT (even less compatible).

your player stops in the middle of level two. It will play single layer + or - burned disks, and +RW, but not -RW or DL.

On the question of the RITEK-D01-01 media you're using, it's not as universally useable as the Verbatim dual layers, but it's only half the price of the Vebatims. I've only run across one dvd player that works with Verbatim, but not with the Ritek. However, there are undoubtedly other players that will do the same. Burning is marginally different, too. My NEC drive burns the Ritek with no problems, but the LG promptly turns any of the Riteks into a coaster. Both drives have no problems with the Verbatim. If the Ritek works for you, and having the broadest possible compatibility isn't a concern, then the Ritek are fine, and it costs you half as much to experiment with dual layer.

[asjt3]

Ok, it sounds like I was right in the 1st place about the original rip not being decrypted.

Now, at least you have a disc Image file that is good. Next, get better media AND get a newer DVD player (they're probably both at fault here).

FYI, ALL dvd players must be able to recognize pressed media, whether SL or DL, otherwise they can't even be called DVD players. Recognition of recordable media (+/-R) is a bonus. +/- RW (rewritable) is a bonus on top of that (as it's less compatible). Recordable DL is a bonus on top of THAT (even less compatible). You'd be very lucky if you had an old player that DID play DL recordables (so I'm not surprised it didn't). Don't mistake pressed media from recordable/rewritable--the player doesn't.

Scott

Yes you're right the original needed to be decrypted. Great breakdown by the way! Thanks for the info on pressed DVD's now I understand why it played the original.

There was no reason to make an ISO, and mount it as a virtual drive, just to get access to the file structure you already had on your hard drive. A software dvd player just wants access to the files.

When burning with ImgBurn version 2, which you're using, there's also no need for an ISO. You just use "Build" mode to burn the video file structure directly to the disk. Forget ISOs. You don't need them, and you're wasting your time and energy.

I see, but the only DVD player I have on my comp, is WMP10 with an Ati DVD codec. I couldn't figure out how to play the vob files until I read a later post about playing the .IFO file. So in this case, I guess I did waste some time (ok, a lot ).

But in the future, I will have to burn something, so using DVD decrypter, should I rip to an ISO or a list of the files? Is there any advantage?

As to your dvd player not playing the disk, according to this page here at Videohelp, your player does work with single layer DVD+/-R, but doesn't work with burned dual layer disks, so no matter what media ID your blank disk had, it wouldn't play.

Ok cool, thanks for the great link.



Thanks for all your help guys!

[VegasBud]

...should I rip to an ISO or a list of the files? Is there any advantage?

The only time an ISO would be better would be if you were backing up a single layer disk without newer copy protection. In that case, you can use DvdDecrypter-"ISO Read"-"ISO Write" sequence for the easiest, quickest way to backup. In any other case, since you're using ImgBurn version 2, there's no longer any need for (or benefit to) using an ISO.

[asjt3]

...should I rip to an ISO or a list of the files? Is there any advantage?

The only time an ISO would be better would be if you were backing up a single layer disk without newer copy protection. In that case, you can use DvdDecrypter-"ISO Read"-"ISO Write" sequence for the easiest, quickest way to backup. In any other case, since you're using ImgBurn version 2, there's no longer any need for (or benefit to) using an ISO.

Are you saying that ISO is quicker? Cause I'm all for that!

[lordsmurf]

ISO is faster for ripping, yes.

[asjt3]

ISO is faster for ripping, yes.

But does that come at the cost of quality?

[VegasBud]

asjt3,

When I said "quickest, easiest", I was referring to the required user interaction with the software. You click once to start the "ISO Read", once to start the "ISO Write", and you're done.

In terms of real world speed, I just did a test, ripping the same disk in "File" mode, and then again in "ISO" mode. File mode took 7:38. ISO mode took 7:38. DvdDecrypter doesn't report fractions of a second, so there may be a difference, but any speed difference is literally too small to measure.

There is no difference in quality no matter which mode you rip in. Quality of rip only comes up when using different ripping programs.

[lordsmurf]

I think it depends on the drive too, VegasBud.

Also, if there are lots of files to copy, it's slower than a single ISO file read.

[asjt3]

I think it depends on the drive too, VegasBud.

Also, if there are lots of files to copy, it's slower than a single ISO file read.

I think I like ISO's b/c they reduce clutter, and I only have to name one file. Oh well, off to college tomorrow.

Thanks so much everyone for your help!

[VegasBud]

lordsmurf,

I agree that one small test isn't conclusive, but it probably is a (fairly) good indicator of the relative speeds of different ripping modes.

Different drives, different source disks, number of files, degree of infestation with screwy sectors, etc. would all affect the time reported, but I would be surprised it there was much difference between different modes.

Opening a file certainly is a waste of clock cycles (in terms of productivity), but I didn't know how long it realistically took...so I did a test. I wrote a simple program that just opens a file, and then closes it, looping 10,000 times. It took 5 seconds (to the nearest second), so it takes ~1/2 second to open-close 1000 files. That's way more files than I've ever seen on a dvd.

[Skith]

The DVD plays fine on the computer now, but when I stick it in the DVD player (Sony SLV-D100) it won't play, giving me the message "check this disk." According to you guys, this probably means that the media is bad. This DVD player is 3+ years old, but it did play the original manufactured DL disk. It also has surprised me by playing DVD+RW disks.

So I'm waiting for your verdict: bad media or old DVD player

I say it is a combination of the two. That player is pretty old, and Sony DVD players are picky enough on playing back recordable media (at least in my experience). Your best bet is to try Verbatim +R DL media, that is if your +3 year old player is capable of playing back recordable DL media.

[TBoneit]

I'd be betting on the Sony being the problem. Mine will play until th elayer change and will play bits of the second layer only. Lots of skipping and such.

Phillips won't play +DL, Toshiba won't play +DL, Pioneer 521h plays +DL fine even though it only records to -DL media.


And of course the Lite-On reader and burner plays them fine in the computer. The Lite-On Burns Ritek +DL with no problems, The Pioneer 109 burns less than 1/2 successfully and coasters the rest. The Lite-On burns play fine all the way when I test them. They even play fine in the AESO portable DVD players I sometimes repair when computers are slow.

So for +DL's the Lite-On works better thna the Pioneer.