Music You Can See: Warner Plans to Sell Albums on DVD

[ROF]

BTW, Some opinions are more based in reality than others.

However yours on this subject are merely works of fiction. Anyone who "listens" to music can tell the difference.

[Cornucopia]

BTW, Some opinions are more based in reality than others.

However yours on this subject are merely works of fiction. Anyone who "listens" to music can tell the difference.

Wow. You must be right.

I couldn't be "listening" to the music.

I'm just an Audio Engineer (22yrs).
And a Producer (10yrs).
And a Musician (30yrs).
And a choral member (40yrs).
And a small-time composer.
And the son and grandson of musicians/singers.
And the father of 4 musicians/singers.
And a former DJ .
And a record collector (>650LPs, >1000CDs).

I couldn't be listening to the music...could I?

.....................

BTW, I seem to remember that you NEVER DID take my comparison challenge. I think there would be many on this board who would agree with me if I were to say "put up or shut up".

Scott

[ROF]

BTW, Some opinions are more based in reality than others.

However yours on this subject are merely works of fiction. Anyone who "listens" to music can tell the difference.

Wow. You must be right.

I couldn't be "listening" to the music.

I'm just an Audio Engineer (22yrs).
And a Producer (10yrs).
And a Musician (30yrs).
And a choral member (40yrs).
And a small-time composer.
And the son and grandson of musicians/singers.
And the father of 4 musicians/singers.
And a former DJ .
And a record collector (>650LPs, >1000CDs).

I couldn't be listening to the music...could I?

Incompetent people with more claimed experience are fired everyday. As I said in the previous thread and I'll say it again, your test methods and accuracy is flawed.

[dvdguy4]

I prefer vinyl record.

I completely agree. When I was a DJ thats all I used until I couldnt find a 12 inch remix or the normal song on vinyl . Also you couldnt scratch with cds back then. Now you can and it doesnt sound the same and it doesnt feel the same. Oh the good ol days.

[MJPollard]

I think there would be many on this board who would agree with me if I were to say "put up or shut up".

I would agree with exactly half of that statement. You could omit the first three words.

[ROF]

I think there would be many on this board who would agree with me if I were to say "put up or shut up".

I would agree with exactly half of that statement. You could omit the first three words.

You remind me of that person who stands at the back of the audience cheering on a loser at the podium hoping their voice will win over the crowd.

[lumis]

You remind me of that person who stands at the back of the audience cheering on a loser at the podium hoping their voice will win over the crowd.

You remind me of a foolish teenager who thinks he is right about everything. You also remind me of a republican, even though evidence is presented to the contrary of much of what you say, you still blindly believe what you say is true. Once you've decided on something, you cannot be swayed, no matter how wrong, stupid or foolish you are.

[SingSing]

"You are an audiophile who believes a well recorded MP3 is indistinguishable from a master track. Odd"

If the music is produced by electronics piano, and guitar..., then that is not suprising.

If the music is from a single real musical instrument, then that's very unlikely.

I could reproduce sound/music with vinyl record that is indistinguishable from real, but not with CD or MP3.

[TheFamilyMan]

When does this thread end...

My 2 cents:

Audio quality is MORE than just the playback medium, whether it be compressed or uncompressed. It starts at the microphone and ends at your speaker elements. I've heard CDs, LPs, tapes, and DVD soundtracks that sound like crap on my home audiophile system and I've heard CDs, LPs, tapes, and DVD soundtracks that are sonic nervana. In particular I have the Beatle's "Yellow Submarine" DVD. I used to poo-poo DVD soundtracks until I heard this. It blew the sonic socks off my analog Beatles collection, simply because it was lovingly remastered specifically for DVD playback. IMHO there is a teenie amount of hope for compressed audio, though I thought I'd be among the last to admit it. (I've yet to hear an MP3 or iPod format recording that I could stand to listen to more that a few minutes, though I've never experimented with "max bitrate" with these formats.)

[SingSing]

1. I will get Yellow Submarine DVD and check it out.

2. What's the name of the video that recorded beatles recording session at apple studio which ended with the roof top concert ?

[ROF]

2. What's the name of the video that recorded beatles recording session at apple studio which ended with the roof top concert ?

Let it be. Found this a few months ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xra3UKhbG1o

[lordsmurf]

Most music isn't worth listening to, much less watching.

[NiteLite]

NL,

I agree that dvd-audio and SACD do sound vastly superior to cd. I just have one slight correction: DVD-Audio and SACD's are not analog. They are just more accurate digital representations of the original recording. You have to use the analog cables to transfer to your receiver because it cannnot decode the raw digital information. The dvd-audio/SACD player has to do that (in most cases, I know there are some high end receivers that can use a digital connection).

But even in stereo the sacd and dvd-audio albums do improve the imaging/transparency of the music.

Thanks for the input help, greymalkin!
I should have noted that usually the process can start ADC and then the player uses DAC to reform back to analog which the receiver uses... (The external 6-channel analog inputs).

Since the end result is Hi-Res analog I did skip over a part of the process. "oops"
My point was to convey that an uncompressed (analog) end result was a step beyond CD audio and something everyone should hear on a good 6-channel setup.
Thanks again for the added input. It's appreciated.
Regards,
NL

[MJPollard]

I think there would be many on this board who would agree with me if I were to say "put up or shut up".

I would agree with exactly half of that statement. You could omit the first three words.

You remind me of that person who stands at the back of the audience cheering on a loser at the podium hoping their voice will win over the crowd.

Actually, I just know a fool when I see one. By all means, please keep talking; you prove your detrators right with every word you type. It's quite amusing to watch you dig your hole deeper and deeper every time you post. Hell, I'd estimate you're halfway to the Earth's core by now...

(waiting for this thread to be locked... likely to be sometime quite soon)

[ROF]

Ok. MJPollard you seem to be the only non-productive member of this thread.

Please go away or join the discussion.

[ROF]

Most music isn't worth listening to, much less watching.

Sounds like an advertisement for MTV.

[dvdguy4]

Most music isn't worth listening to, much less watching.

I agree.

[MJPollard]

Ok. MJPollard you seem to be the only non-productive member of this thread.

Please go away or join the discussion.

I'll be sure to give your request all the consideration it's due.

[lordsmurf]

Most music isn't worth listening to, much less watching.

Sounds like an advertisement for MTV.

I don't know what the "M" stands for now, but it sure as hell is not music.

Reality shows, dating shows, grossly overpaid rich people bragging about their houses and cars, and all kinds of other crap. Oh, and some rap videos, but that's not music either.

[MJPollard]

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[ROF]

Most music isn't worth listening to, much less watching.

Sounds like an advertisement for MTV.

I don't know what the "M" stands for now, but it sure as hell is not music.

Reality shows, dating shows, grossly overpaid rich people bragging about their houses and cars, and all kinds of other crap. Oh, and some rap videos, but that's not music either.

You know, I wonder if anyone has thought to sue MTV for false advertisement?

[CubDukat]

By ETHAN SMITH
August 4, 2006; Page A11

The music industry has for years struggled to develop a new physical format that could spark increased sales by replacing the CD. Now Warner Music Group Corp. is planning an aggressive attempt to address the issue by pushing consumers to buy their music on specially outfitted DVDs.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB115465756406526611-zDVoC9gVjKN5To_wGw0adS3BwwU_...html?mod=blogs

Didn't Sony try the same thing with DualDisc, only to fall flat on their ass?

What the record companies should start doing is trying to make some kind of replacement for DVD-Audio that's platform-independent, so that you can use it on both Blu-ray and DVD-Audio. That was why both DVD-Audio and SACD tanked (and yes, they both tanked) and the same reason both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray may tank--because people don't want to buy a player for every format out there. They'd rather buy one player that covers all the bases. AFAIK, the only superiority either DVD-Audio and/or SACD had over each other was on paper.

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Dolby TrueHD incorporates a more advanced version of the Meridian MLP codec, and both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD can play back TrueHD-encoded discs. So why not base the new format off of that, since they both have it in common?

All I can say is that WMG needs to do something like they used to do in the old days and package a complete video album with the enhanced audio. They could learn a lesson from some of those early LaserDisc releases.

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[Nilfennasion]

I attended a launch of DVD-Audio some years ago now in Sydney. The first thing I said to a Warner's rep when they asked me my opinion was that the list of available titles would need to rapidly expand to include more of what consumers both esoteric like myself and out of the focus of eMpTyV like my father wanted. To give you some idea, the most recent album I bought on CD was My DyING BRIDE's recent A Line Of Deathless Kings album. I think there are maybe one or two titles in the whole DVD-Audio range my old man would consider buying, the Deep Purple album Machine Head being the best example.

The other immediate problem facing them was that while audiophiles would rush to embrace the format, the format was never going to truly be profitable until Joe Average did the same. This would mean that effort would need to be expended making Joe aware of the difference in no uncertain terms. My simple suggestion was setting up listening posts in record stores where Joe could readily switch between CD and DVD-Audio for comparison, even if it was by switching headphones. Aside from one chain in this country, when I asked about when the store would be getting in some DVD-Audio, most of the staff, including the manager, had no idea what I was talking about. Great marketing.

The main format of DVD-Audio, MLP, was probably the best compression format I ever heard in audio. Should be, since the L stands for Lossless. But they knew they were facing a problem with the proliferation of DVD-Video-only players out there, so that was why they included the Dolby and DTS soundtracks on most albums. Unlike CDs, where one just had 44.1 kHz, 16-bit, two-channel audio, multiple formats and configurations were endemic to DVD-Audio. That was its biggest selling point in a lot of audiophiles' views.

If you don't think DVD-Audio is dead, then consider it has been more than six years since the launch. In that time since launch, CD-DA had hundreds of thousands of available titles. Anything that made noise was transferred to the format in order to fuel the consumer's insatiable desire (my father was buying Frank Zappa CDs like they were going out of fashion within three years of the launch). If you look at the list of titles available on DVD-Audio now, I would be surprised if it was more than twenty thousand. The fact that the industry could not agree on which format to back and work on making it universal is probably the biggest difference between CD and DVD-Audio. Instead of fighting consumer apathy, the music studios were once again too busy fighting each other.

[RabidDog]

Everyone keeps qouting the old vhs vs betamax battle in relation to the upcoming HD format wars, I think the SACD vs DVD audio is far more relevant. Taken up only by a few willie-waggling audiophiles and of no interest to the rest of humanity. Players were, and still are, too expensive, improvement in sound hard to justify, expensive discs .. its got everything the HD battle has.. The winner? well the CD and the MP3.
quality of sound? I still think STEREO was a con to sell twice as many speakers, give me high fidelity over stereo any day of the week. Who remembers quadrophonic sound, and the quadrophonic systems ? Dead and buried..

I would find it difficult to hear the difference between an mp3 at 320kb and the original on CD.. but my home system only cost £399

[SingSing]

Everyone keeps qouting the old vhs vs betamax battle in relation to the upcoming HD format wars, I think the SACD vs DVD audio is far more relevant.

Beta vs VHS : VHS win.
+R vs -r : Double win.
HD vs BLU :We are assuming one winner.
SACD vs DVD audio : Loser and loser. MP3 win, see below.

I would find it difficult to hear the difference between an mp3 at 320kb and the original on CD.. but my home system only cost £399

[rayzray]

i just KNOW there is a difference between MP3 and CD'z; and can tell when i put both on the same CD/DVD (from it's sourse) that is.
i prefer using MD and Hi-MD; just makes me feel better too no matter which headset or buds i use, ir which of my mongrel stereo systems.

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[Nilfennasion]

The improvement in audio is not that hard to justify when you actually listen. I have heard Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody to the point where I am so sick of it I immediately want to rip out the tongue of anyone who sings it, but when I heard the DVD-A of A Night At The Opera, it was a revelation. The 5.1 channel formatting alone gave the whole song a new lease of life because the greater channel separation gave the instruments more space to breathe. This is why stereo took off in the first place.

I prefer MD, too. Unlike MP3, ATRAC3 compression is transparent.

[rayzray]

^ i once re-rixed the Kiss in Melbourne concert DVD and then the audio onto a CD (via MD first) using the 5.1 into stereo, and it turned out great! even though the channels "switched fron left to right and vice versa; then i did it again and the channels switched again, lol. (that is, using 5.1 analog). if that is possible; the WAS a distinct difference in the instruments to voice ratio;; to me (rayzray), an improvement.

i do a LOT of DVD re-mixing with my Sima SFX-9 A/V Mixer. (i HATE original DVD's).

i also do a LOT of TV/Cable to DVD sending the audio through a 64 channel EQ onto DVD-RAMS then edit to the master DVD.

nothing can compare with audio editing with MD/Hi-MD's though.