Is there a big difference quality wise between CCE and TMPGE

[aileronzz]

Topic says it all. I'm having ... well, issues with CCE, but from reading around here and it seems that CCE is better at reducing blockiness in divx to mpeg-2 conversions. I'd like to use it if it does have a noticeable improvement as I have noticed in stuff I've converted with TMPGEnc that in high motion scenes the picture tends to be quite blocky. Thanks!

[JJamez]

In a word, YES.

In the past, I was never able to get CCE to work on my system, but recently decided to give DVD2SVCD a go, and to my SHOCK, it works fine...

TMPG is a great program, don't get me wrong, but it took me about 24 hours to encode a 2 hour movie, and although the overall quality was great, the blockiness in dark areas is a problem. Now, a 3x pass VBR encode takes about 8-9 hours, and the quality is indeed better in my opinion. You don't get blockiness in CCE, but sometimes a 'dirty' looking picture in dark areas - you'll know when you see it, that's the most accurate way to describe it. The 'dirtiness' is MUCH more preferable than blockiness. I also find I can drop the bitrate fairly low and not lose much in terms of quality. I used to put a 2 hour movie on 3 CD's, but its just not necessary with CCE - I can fit it on 2 with seemingly equal quality.

JJ

[zafar]

What is CCE?

[gimp]

whic CCE are you using the plugin are the stand-alone and what version????

[w00kiee]

well.. i'll just take my k6/2-350 and go play with tmpgenc.

hehe

cce = cinema craft encoder or something like that.. its available in the tools section. it does great svcd. it can do up to 5 pass vbr (tmpgenc only does 2) and is faster that tmpgenc and does better (x)svcd

it would be nice if the reference to cce in the tools download section specified that cce only worked with duron / p3s or better

[SatStorm]

CCE is better for AVI to Mpeg-2 creation. It is much faster and have better VBR than TMPGenc.
For MPEG-2 to MPEG-2 re-encode (like DVD to SVCD) I have to say that CCE and TMPEGenc 2.5 are almost equal if you set both to 2Pass VBR. You need also to tweak a bit the settings of the gop stracture on TMPGenc and use some filters, to do that.
BUT (there is always a "but" )
CCE is much faster!
CCE has 3-4-5 Pass VBR, and that makes a HUGE difference! Scanning a file 5 times, gives you better quality than scanning it twice like TMPGenc.

I believe the commercial TMPEGenc, which will support 20Pass VBR (!), gonna be better CCE. We shall see!

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: SatStorm on 2002-01-10 03:48:56 ]</font>

[aileronzz]

Ok guys, got past my CCE issues (i think). Now I'm curious. I assume doing additional passes increases the overall file size. Is this assumption correct, and if so, approximately how much increase is to be expected with each additional pass? Thanks!!

[2dogs2]

How do you use CCE ? I have never been able to figure out how to use it.

[aileronzz]

I'm still learning it myself, so I'm afraid I can't be of much help to you. Look around at some of the tutorials. All I've learned about any of the programs suggested here come from the tutorials. Big help eh?

[JJamez]

Aileronzz, additional passes decrease file size - the more passes, the more accurately (and economically) the encoder is able to distribute the bits for compression.

I'm assuming that is the sole purpose of VBR, to decrease file sizes..

JJ

[aileronzz]

Really? That's great to know. Thanks

[zafar]

Where can I get more information about getting CCE? The tools section only provides a link to their website which does not even have a trial download for the SP version (which supports VBR).

[Vejita-sama]

There's a CCE guide and discussion forum at http://www.doom9.org It's a good program. For MPEG2 encodes it's MUCH faster than TMPGenc and does a (IMHO) better job. For MPEG1 I think TMPGenc might be a slightly better. Note that the audio encoder in CCE sucks, so most people encode the audio w/ tooLame, video w/ CCE and then mux in bbMPEG.