Taiyo Yuden + or -

[mccoady]

I've been buying Ty Yuden DVD +R 8X White Inkjet Hub Printables (from Rima) for sometime now to work with my Pioneer 107 and they work great but I've also used their -R Dvds and they also work equally well. I'm getting ready to reorder some more disc so my question is this, Ty's DVD +R disc always cost more than their DVD -R disc (right now $8 more and have been $12 I believe) so does anyone have a opinion that they are of a higher quality than their DVD -R disc? I'm speaking only of Ty's +R or -R comparison.

[redwudz]

It's always been my understanding the -R discs are slightly more compatible with the majority of DVD players and that's all I've ever used in my burners for single layer discs. I use TY 16X -R Silver tops at present. You can see some information on DVD types at lordsmurf's site: http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/index.htm

[mccoady]

Yes I've always read that the -R disc in general at least used to be more compatible with more dvd players but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions strictly pertaining to Ty Yuden +R or -R disc. I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to keep paying a few dollars more for Ty's +R disc.

[CrayonEater]

I have been using the 8x (TYG02) silver-tops for some time now and have no complaints. However, I have not used their +Rs.

[Skith]

I have read a few opinions (on this forum I think) that TY +R discs are a bit better (quality) than the -R discs, although I don't think you can go wrong with either. I am not 100% sure my memory is correct on who said it, so I won't give a name.

[lordsmurf]

I have read a few opinions (on this forum I think) that TY +R discs are a bit better (quality) than the -R discs, although I don't think you can go wrong with either. I am not 100% sure my memory is correct on who said it, so I won't give a name.

I say this. I know others do too.
The media results in less coasters, and the burn quality is much cleaner.

[samijubal]

If you're getting coasters with TY DVD-R discs, it must be a burner problem, not a media problem. I've burned over 2000 and never had a burn fail.

[mccoady]

Okay I'll just pay a bit extra and stay with Ty's +R's. Thanks!

[videobread]

When I first started burning DVD's I asked my commercial supplier what the majority of duplicators were using. He told me -R. I assumed that the people before me looked into the matter and chose -R for some good reasons. I've been using -R ever since. They are less expensive due to volume. By the same locig I went with Pioneer burners which is what the pro duplicators use.

[OneSickPup]

IMO - The Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD+R (YUDEN 000T02) is superior to its DVD-R counterpart (TYG02). I'm not sure I have ever heard of a burner that dislikes this media so compatibility is excellent. I'm an avid tester/scanner and I can assure you that PIE/PIF averages/maximums/totals are lower with this media than any other media code I have ever tested. However; the TYG02 isn't chopped liver! It is excellent as well. You cannot go wrong with either.

I will say my infatuation with TY media stops with their 8x offerings. I am not a fan of TYG03 or YUDEN T03 16x media. I get better results with MCC 004 or MCC 03RG20 consistently. YMMV - Good luck.

[Skith]

I have read a few opinions (on this forum I think) that TY +R discs are a bit better (quality) than the -R discs, although I don't think you can go wrong with either. I am not 100% sure my memory is correct on who said it, so I won't give a name.

I say this. I know others do too.
The media results in less coasters, and the burn quality is much cleaner.

lordsmurf, I thought you were one of the people I had heard it from. However, I wasn't sure so I didn't want to put words in your mouth, so to speak.

[lordsmurf]

If you're getting coasters with TY DVD-R discs, it must be a burner problem, not a media problem. I've burned over 2000 and never had a burn fail.

It is a two-fold problem.

Burner firmware, yes. There are several burners out there that perform poorly with TY DVD-R media, but not the YUDEN DVD+R media. TY is not the best media around anyway, although it is certainly very very good. MXL and MCC DVD-R are arguably better media.

The other issue is reflectivity. Players sometimes don't work well with TY DVD-R media. You get better results with MCC DVD-R, if using DVD-R. But the same player with a TY DVD-R problem, more likely than not, does fine on YUDEN DVD+R (assuming there is not ALSO an issue with the player no liking DVD+R, booktyped or not).

So yeah, it's the equipment most of the time. But the YUDEN DVD+R in the same situation rarely gives those problems. So in a bland term of "better disc", the DVD+R is better.

However, even if you compare raw disc quality, the DVD+R outperforms the DVD-R, from Taiyo Yuden. This is assuming both discs are good burns.

There is also not any second-grade DVD+R that I'm aware of, it's all premium or not at all. Don't compare TY Value Line to the YUDEN DVD+R media, when comparing prices.

[samijubal]

Again, I wonder if those players not liking TY DVD-R is more a burner problem than media. Most of the over 2000 discs I've done were sent to other people, dozens of other people, I've never had a single complaint. All of them were the value discs.

[hech54]

My BenQ 1620Pro HATES my 8x -R TY discs. It only burns them @4x. If I try an 8x burn.....it creates a coaster every time I have tried.
My LG....no problems on either my 8x TY's or my 16x Panasonic TY's.

[victoriabears]

am, i right in saying that if your burner allows bit setting to dvd rom on burning + R then the compatability is academic?

I bought cakes of 100 TDK + R, 8 X at $23.95 at costco canada the other day. BTW.

[NiteLite]

Yes I've always read that the -R disc in general at least used to be more compatible with more dvd players but I was wondering if anyone had any opinions strictly pertaining to Ty Yuden +R or -R disc. I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to keep paying a few dollars more for Ty's +R disc.

For piece of mind continue to buy what works for you.
Someone stated you get less coasters with +R.
Well...I've written several hundred -R and "never" had a coaster from the TYG02 8X silver tops from Rima.
So how can you get less coasters that none?
I get QS of 98 and some 99's so as someone stated better quality with +R I guess they get a 100 QS.
As you can see mccoady, you ask for opinions you get them
I will stick with what works for me and just so you dont get buyer's remorse stick with what works the best for you.
As cheap as they are you could try a stack of both and then you would have the only proof that really matters.
Good luck and coster free,
NL

[hech54]

am, i right in saying that if your burner allows bit setting to dvd rom on burning + R then the compatability is academic?

I bought cakes of 100 TDK + R, 8 X at $23.95 at costco canada the other day. BTW.

I bitset when I can....but I am not "hooked" on the idea.
It is a great tool to have in the arsenal.

[samijubal]

I did a couple of quick scans, one a +R and the other a -R, the +R had a 99.35 and the -R had a 99.85. Obviously my NEC doesn't do better with +R discs.

[OneSickPup]

I did a couple of quick scans, one a +R and the other a -R, the +R had a 99.35 and the -R had a 99.85. Obviously my NEC doesn't do better with +R discs.

Not sure what kind of scan you are referring to but if it was performed on a NEC drive it's definitely suspect. I have never seen a NEC burner that was a reliable quality scanner. Possible exception was the 3540 but I've never used one. My 3550 is a totaly worthless quality scanner using CD DVDspeed software.

I get QS of 98 and some 99's so as someone stated better quality with +R I guess they get a 100 QS.

Let me guess - You scan with a Benq 1640/50/55 no doubt. You could scan a slice of fat-free bologna in a Benq burner and get a 90 quality score. Let's consider a 6S generation Lite-On for example: You cannot get a qs of 99 - it's impossible. One PIF spike of 1 and your quality score drops to a 98. Make that spike a 2 and you're at 95. In theory you could have a PIF total of 3 and get a quality score of only 95. You see my point. If you re-read my post I never mention a quality score. I'm referring to PIF totals-maximums-averages. I do use both medias (TYG02 and YUDEN T02's). I own 2 Benq's (along with 9 other burners). You can believe what you choose to believe but the T02's grade out slightly better than the TYG02's across a sampling of drive types.

[samijubal]

The discs were burned on an NEC, not scanned on one.

[mccoady]

I'm going to go ahead order some more 8X +R White Inkjet Printables from Rima but since I've never tried MXL or MCC disc I might want to try some of these also. On Sam's Club website I see they have some 16X Verbatim DVD+R and -R White Inkjet Printables that say made in Taiwan. I also see you can buy Verbatim 8X + or - White Inkjet Hub Printables from Rima., but I have some questions:

1. Are they the good MCC that lordsmurf speaks of?

2. Since they are 16X and my burner only does 8X would this be a problem?

3. Does anyone know if these from Sam's are Hub Printables?

4. When it comes to Verbatims are + or - preferred?

[OneSickPup]

The discs were burned on an NEC, not scanned on one.

Sorry samijubal - I was just making the comment in general about NEC's unreliable status as a scanning drive. I am curious though about the 99.35 vs 99.85. What scanning software and is that a QS score?

[samijubal]

DVDInfoPro, that's the quality if that's what QS is. They were done on a Pioneer at full speed, so that's not gospel or anything. I just meant it to show that +R isn't necessarily better. Like I stated in an earlier post, I think it's a burner thing as to wheather +R or -R is better.

[NiteLite]

I get QS of 98 and some 99's so as someone stated better quality with +R I guess they get a 100 QS.

Let me guess - You scan with a Benq 1640/50/55 no doubt. You could scan a slice of fat-free bologna in a Benq burner and get a 90 quality score. Let's consider a 6S generation Lite-On for example: You cannot get a qs of 99 - it's impossible. One PIF spike of 1 and your quality score drops to a 98. Make that spike a 2 and you're at 95. In theory you could have a PIF total of 3 and get a quality score of only 95. You see my point. If you re-read my post I never mention a quality score. I'm referring to PIF totals-maximums-averages. I do use both medias (TYG02 and YUDEN T02's). I own 2 Benq's (along with 9 other burners). You can believe what you choose to believe but the T02's grade out slightly better than the TYG02's across a sampling of drive types.

No guessing involved you just look at my profile...see the Plextors also? There are more not listed.
One spike of "1" does not have an effect on scan score. A spike of "2" does not reduce to a QS of 95.
Maybe we use different programs and different scanning equipment.
You can also believe what you want also but on my drives I will use what has proven consistent across my drives. At the moment that is the TYG02 from Rima.
Sorry but no changeing of my mind on this issue.

Remember the quote, "Debating matters of opinions are pointless."
Regards,
NL

[oncedust]

I have noticed several compatibility issues with +. I work for a local wedding and event video production company and have put out several thousand dvds, and I would only use -s.

[A_T]

I will say my infatuation with TY media stops with their 8x offerings. I am not a fan of TYG03 or YUDEN T03 16x media. I get better results with MCC 004 or MCC 03RG20 consistently. YMMV - Good luck.

Yes it looks like standards have dropped at TY with their 16x media.

[OneSickPup]

No guessing involved you just look at my profile...see the Plextors also? There are more not listed.
One spike of "1" does not have an effect on scan score. A spike of "2" does not reduce to a QS of 95.
Maybe we use different programs and different scanning equipment.
You can also believe what you want also but on my drives I will use what has proven consistent across my drives. At the moment that is the TYG02 from Rima.
Sorry but no changeing of my mind on this issue.

Remember the quote, "Debating matters of opinions are pointless."
Regards,
NL

First off I don't have to look at your profile because what you stated tells me what hardware you're using. Secondly you missed the whole point to my post. Quality scores when comparing scans on different drives are worthless. The spike of 1 DOES have an effect on a Lite-On 165H6S - an immediate drop to a qs of 98. A score of 99 is impossible on this drive type. Get a spike of 2 and you're at 95. I'm looking at a scan right now of TYG03 burned on my Benq 1650 at 12x. QS from the 1650 records a 98 (wow). Same disk scanned on the Lite-On 165H6S yields a 45 (huh). PIF totals and maximums are similar though. Same frickin' disk. My point is the quality score has limited value in a discussion like this. There is way more involved in quality scanning interpretation than the quality score. Lastly, I have no desire to change your opinion of TYG02 as I stated previously it is excellent media. My testing has indicated the +R T02's are slightly better. Someone else may get different results. My post was directed at your sarcastic remark about a qs of 100.

[lordsmurf]

Someone stated you get less coasters with +R.
Well...I've written several hundred -R and "never" had a coaster from the TYG02 8X silver tops from Rima.
So how can you get less coasters that none?

You are an anomaly. Everybody gets coasters, eventually, with all media. Plus "several hundred" is not a valid sample size, not for this exact discussion. It generally takes several thousand pieces of media to come to conclusions.

For most people, most of the time, in most drives, in most players, in most situations, the YUDEN DVD+R are going to perform better than the TY DVD-R media. It's just the way it goes. The folks that have come to this conclusion are not picking sides, they're just reporting what they find, in an earnest attempt to help others.

If your exact experiences show the TY DVD-R is good, by all means, stick with it. You're saving a few dollars per spindle that way too, not bad at all.

[samijubal]

NEC doesn't do coasters, ever, at least mine doesn't. I must be between 4000-5000 burns by now and never had a bad one, except 3 or 4 that were obvious media problems, the value TYs.

[Tom Saurus]

Well I ordered my first batch of Taiyo Yuden Blank DVD+R's today. I originally was going to get the value line Taiyo Yuden Blank DVD-R's. After reading this thread I decided to go with the plus versions. With the valu priced -R's, after S&H, taxes and the cost of the money order & stamp, it worked out to .60 per blank DVD-R. The DVD+R works out to be $1.00 per disc.