How to wirelessly share dialup connection?

[ROF]

3. DSL is available in my area from as low as $21.95. AOL is offering nationwide for $24.95. For a $10 dollar difference (monthly) over dialup it is difficult to justify dialup as an alternative.
I have had only one customer who had experienced broadband and chose to go back to dialup, and that guy was such an oddball as to constitute the exception that proves the rule.

At $21.95 you are probably getting a 384K/128K DSL connection which is only moderately faster than dialup and at the price of almost twice what the dialup costs. Some people are on a financial budget and quite a few people live in a location where DSL does not function. DSL is offered in my area but once you go 14 houses(to my friends house) down the street it is no longer an option. The cut off point for DSL is it's biggest limiting factor next to the price and speed offered. AOL offers it for $24.95 but the phone company tacks on $17 in fees in my area for such AOL DSL service. an extra $10 a month may seem like very little to you but to someone on a budget that could seem like a billion dollars.

5. If you go back to the original post, OP is talking about obtaining a DSL modem. They either do not know that "dialup" does not use DSL, or they are mistakenly calling DSL "dialup".

At http://www.callforhelptv.com/callforhelp/shownotes/0334.shtml?answers it is stated that a modem that's also a router is required to share dialup commection wirelessly, but the device recommended costs about $130. Would using a DSL modem connected to a router work to share dialup connection wirelessly?

This, to me, sounds like the original poster is asking if something similiar(a DSL modem with built in router) to what they want will work with the dial up connection but at a significantly reduced price. The answer to that question is a simple no.

[Noahtuck]

Those saying it is not worth it to share a dialup connection obviously have $40 or more a month to spend on internet. Those that don't will not consider it worthless. Pay $14 and connect to the internet. Remember, Dialups are not doing what you and I on Broadband connections do. They realize the limitation of dialup and adjust their surfing habits accordingly.

You can get DSL for $15. There is no excuse for overpaying for dialup.

Where? with whom?


ADDED: There is no DSL offering I can find that is $15 a month.

SBC/yahoo which has now went back to calling themselves AT&T has been offering DSL for under $15.00 a month for a year contract.

They have been offering DSL for 15-17 $ a month for well over a year now.
I know several people that have dsl and pay that a month 8)
DSL has een so cheap for so long i've been wondering for a couple of years why the hell people still have dialup

[ROF]

2. The PPOE requirement does not require the ppoe software to be installed on any PC. They would like you to believe that, but it is not true. I know this from getting around the software install on numerous occassions. I forget the PPOE softwares name but it was WindJammer or something like that. Not needed. The workaround is to have the router perform the login, or to enter this data into the DSL modem. Experience tells me not to believe what the company tells me without some independent verification.

OK! Which router can I purchase that will log on to a DSL Connection and bypass the internal limitations of the DSL modem hardware? I thought the modem logs in, whereas the router is just a traffic cop. I had no idea PPPoE was installable software? I have only seen it built into equipment such as DSL modems or other network hardware.

[ROF]

Those saying it is not worth it to share a dialup connection obviously have $40 or more a month to spend on internet. Those that don't will not consider it worthless. Pay $14 and connect to the internet. Remember, Dialups are not doing what you and I on Broadband connections do. They realize the limitation of dialup and adjust their surfing habits accordingly.

You can get DSL for $15. There is no excuse for overpaying for dialup.

Where? with whom?


ADDED: There is no DSL offering I can find that is $15 a month.

SBC/yahoo which has now went back to calling themselves AT&T has been offering DSL for under $15.00 a month for a year contract.

They have been offering DSL for 15-17 $ a month for well over a year now.
I know several people that have dsl and pay that a month 8)
DSL has een so cheap for so long i've been wondering for a couple of years why the hell people still have dialup

Really? Is that $15 for the entire year or for just the first few months and then it goes up $29.99? That is how SBC/yahoo works here. I got my cable connection first month for free. Should I tell others to sign up because cable internet is free? Or should I tell them that I got my first month free and now pay $60 a month for my business line? No DSL I know of offers this price every month forever. The SBC/Yahoo at that price is also only a 384K/128K connection. The SBC/Yahoo connection is just for the DSL. Your telephone provider(like mine) will be adding fees to that price too. Check your phone bill for details. People still have dialup because it is cheap, has no hidden fees, works for them, and is offered in their area. DSL technology is very geographically limited.

[Noahtuck]

At $21.95 you are probably getting a 384K/128K DSL connection which is only moderately faster than dialup and at the price of almost twice what the dialup costs.

The DSL around here is way more than "moderately" faster than dial up
A friend went from cable to dsl, saved over 25-30 $ a month (cable is a rip off) and could not tell the diff.
Hell when we transfered files online it went faster than when she was on cable
And she pay's like 17.99 a month.

Some people are on a financial budget and quite a few people live in a location where DSL does not function.
DSL is offered in my area but once you go 14 houses(to my friends house) down the street it is no longer an option.

Yep, it's kind of funny, my 15 year best friend lives 15-20 minutes from me, his wife has been a line(wo)man with her own truck for the phone company for 20 years and they can't get DSL
They had to look into a ton of crap and work to get the cable company to run a line out to their house so they could get a cable connection and he hates it

[Noahtuck]

Really? Is that $15 for the entire year or for just the first few months and then it goes up $29.99? That is how SBC/yahoo works here.

Nope!! only cable suckers you like that!!

Only $33.00 a month for the first 3 months (under their breath-then we screw you for $55.00+ a month after that)

It's 15.00 a month for 12 months!!
And they have not upped my DSL price for 2 years now.
But i pay like $23.00 a month because that was what i got when i signed up and the bitch is i can't get the lower price unless i'm a new customer so i would have to get rid of it for like a month or so then sign back up
That's the only thing that pisses me off about it
But just recently i got an ad in the mail from them for like $12.99 a month.
The wider area it covers as time has went by and the more people that get it, the lower the price has went as far as i've seen.
I live by grand rapids michigan.

And they don't charge me any extra for the DSL on my bill, but they sure do get ya on a bunch of other little $h!t!!

State access charge $2.78, federal access charge $5.35, zone service $1.69, ect.
But all that is there without having DSl also.
Can you imagine how much they make for "federal access charge $5.35" a month off everyone who has a landline

[Nelson37]

ROF, are you actually reading the OP? You are stating he indicates a dsl modem with a built-in router, when he specifically states "DSL modem CONNECTED TO a router", and goes on to mention seperate prices on E-bay for seperate pieces of equipment. It is unclear to me whether he thinks a DSL modem will do standard dial-up, or if he knows what DSL is and wants to substitute DSL for dialup.

The PPOE software install is no longer used, and has not been for some time. You can set the log-in in the modem, or on the router. The old ppoe software install on the PC did the login, and this was used in an attempt to limit connections. Easily bypassed. The login is indeed done in the modem, but when they used the software we used to do it in the router.

Netgear, linksys, dlink have been the common brands, I do not recall that any of these was NOT able to do the login. Haven't had to bypass the PPOE login software on the PC for several years now. Currently, the only requirement for multiple PC use is to set the router to a different subnet (on the LAN side, the WAN side is the ONE connection the modem will allow).
You can change the modem's subnet but you can't increase the allowable number of addresses.

Since it does not matter what the modem's address actually is, and I have dozens to keep track of, I always leave it as it ships and set the network accordingly. FWIW I always static my internal IP's, DHCP does nothing for you but pick numbers out of a hat, going static just eliminates one thing that can go wrong, also static is is needed for a PCAnywhere or Citrix connection.

[ROF]

At $21.95 you are probably getting a 384K/128K DSL connection which is only moderately faster than dialup and at the price of almost twice what the dialup costs.

The DSL around here is way more than "moderately" faster than dial up
A friend went from cable to dsl, saved over 25-30 $ a month (cable is a rip off) and could not tell the diff.

It is more than moderately fast around here to, but you must pay for the speed of the connection. Cable is the same way. I could get my cable service for $39 a month but I would be limited to something like 1-3Mbps on download and zero web hosting and server hosting restrictions amongst other limitation. DSL offering around here are the same but DSL starts at 384K around here and as the price per month increases the speed goes up to 3Mbps which is outrageously priced when compared to a similiar cable connection. DSL does not even offer the speeds cable does or static IPs in my area.

[INFRATOM]

Some info
1-to use dialup on second computer one needs to network 2 computers and when running networking indicate it is not connecting directly to internet.
2- If you have DSL or cable ordinarily select DSL if not available dial.
3- Sharing internet (DSL/cable) without a router requires 2 network card. XP assigns 192.168.0.1 to ics adaptor that is sharing internet. Some internet companies send dsl modems that has a fixed ip address of the same which you are forced to get a router because you can't have 2 of the same ip address.
In these days seems that it is not worth it to mess with these things it is better to get a router.

[Dv8ted2]

Experience with hiring and firing technicians tells me that there are those with the degrees and certificates who don't know what they are doing, and those without any papers that do.

That is one area that I will agree with you upon. I am not saying that you do not know what you are doing, but I run across system admins every day that do not know what folder and file permissions are and how to correct the issue. I am wondering how they got their position, because they have no clue.

[Dv8ted2]

OK! Which router can I purchase that will log on to a DSL Connection and bypass the internal limitations of the DSL modem hardware?

Get a cheap airlink router from Fry's electronics. I have two of them. One wireless, one wired

[ROF]

@Dv8ted2

None of the routers at Fry's will sign you online. All they do is route network traffic. Please provide links to one that does.

[pchan]

I thought now ... you can get a combo set with either cable or DSL modem + ethernet/wireless connection - all in one. Can connect to as many PC as one like but the speed will drop.

[Dv8ted2]

@Dv8ted2

None of the routers at Fry's will sign you online. All they do is route network traffic. Please provide links to one that does.

If you do some research, you will find one.

They are dhcp servers. You can set the scope of ip addresses. They have full-featured firewalls. You can restrict MAC addresses. They use network address translation. They route packets. They allow you to connect more than one computer. You have one external address. The other addresses are internal.

[ROF]

@Dv8ted2

None of the routers at Fry's will sign you online. All they do is route network traffic. Please provide links to one that does.

If you do some research, you will find one.

They are dhcp servers. You can set the scope of ip addresses. They have full-featured firewalls. You can restrict MAC addresses. They use network address translation. They route packets. They allow you to connect more than one computer. You have one external address. The other addresses are internal.

Most routers do this from my experience. But none of them I can find will log you on to internet overriding the modem firmware.

[bevills1]

In another forum I read that a user just got a USB 2.0 wireless adapter for about $20 and configured network connection on the desktop with the USB 2.0 wireless adapter to share dialup connection with his notebook. Does anybody know whether this idea will work?

[ROF]

In another forum I read that a user just got a USB 2.0 wireless adapter for about $20 and configured network connection on the desktop with the USB 2.0 wireless adapter to share dialup connection with his notebook. Does anybody know whether this idea will work?

Yes. Google ICS or Internet Connection Sharing. This requires the computer with the modem connected to it to be turned on in order for any other computers to connect. On dialup you will experience a significant lag time when ICS is used. I do not recommend this method.

[liquid217]

Most routers will have PPP over Ethernet authentication built right in. I own a 5 year old linksys that does just that. Simply connect the the modem to the wan port, log onto the router, and add the login data.
The problem with most dsl modems now is that they have the PPPoE authentication built right into the modem, which simply means that the router does not need to. It simply provides the NAT layer and acts as a dhcp server for the network. Back in the day, dsl modems were just that... modems. It was up to the client to authenticate itself via PPP. Typically now, this isn't the case.

[ROF]

My first experience with DSL was with an Actiontec modem. It was just that. Just a modem. You plugged it in(no on/off switch). It blinked a series of LEDs and then had one or two steady LEDs lit. It had four connection: Two RJ11s, AC power, and a USB Port.

[Nelson37]

As I mentioned, I do not recall ever seeing a router that was unable to do the PPOE login, it is right there on the setup page. This is just not necessary anymore since the PC-based login software was done away with. All you need to do is set up the seperate network address scheme.

As far as networking and using ICS, yes, that will work. Very few people are satisfied with this level of performance, but it is a workable method.

There used to be a device called a WebRamp which was an actual router coupled with a built-in dial-up modem, they had models with two or more modems and I think they actually used Shotgun modem coupling if the ISP supported it. SFAIK broadband availability has eliminated this device, haven't seen one in a long time. It was also fairly pricey, $150.00 or so.

[Dv8ted2]

All you need to do is set up the seperate network address scheme.

Upon further review, the modem was on a different subnet than my router, but this is not something that must manually be done most of the time. Most of the time, it is already done for you.

[TBoneit]

FWIW with reference to Verizon DSL, based on experience where I work and at home.

Work DSL modem Westell with one ethernet port, built in router.
Home DSL modem Westell with 4 ports ethernet & Wireless

Both provided by Verizon

At work share on several computers through our ethernet network with hubs and switches.

At home use built in ethernet to feed three computers

Both no problems with simultaneous use.

YMMV in other locations.

Also Verizon was advertising $14.95 DSl around here. For 768k down speed. Much better than Dialup and for those that can not bear to part with AOL, Using AOL via Broadband after asking for lowered price the total wasn't much higher. Just faster