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  1. I've recently had a problem burning DVD DL. I'm using Verbatim media, ?Gateway burner, and Nero soft...
    The interesting part is that it happens intermittantly...when burning DL, often times the menu will be skipped or corrupted, but the rest of the movie plays fine...I've tried shrinking the material via DVDShrink and when put on a SL disk, it works fine. Anyone else experienced anything like this?
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    Originally Posted by Bookmd
    I've recently had a problem burning DVD DL. I'm using Verbatim media, ?Gateway burner, and Nero soft...
    The interesting part is that it happens intermittantly...when burning DL, often times the menu will be skipped or corrupted, but the rest of the movie plays fine...I've tried shrinking the material via DVDShrink and when put on a SL disk, it works fine. Anyone else experienced anything like this?
    Nero is a first rate program for burning CDs and single layer DVDs in my experience, but I've had nothing but problems with it trying to burn DL. For Dual Layer, I rip to ISO with DVD Decrypter, then burn with IMGBurn. I've had flawless results using that sequence. You can also use DVDFab Decrypter to rip.
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  3. I was afraid of that...are you having those problems with the newest Nero (I found that I was using 7.0.1.4...and was wondering if that was the problem, if they'd fixed it)...I'll give IMGBurn a shot, thanks!!
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  4. For material you've authored yourself, this guide shows how to set the layer break correctly, and how to burn DL discs reliably:

    https://www.videohelp.com/~r0lz/pgcedit/third_party/blutach/dl_burning_with_pgcedit.htm

    For commercial DVD backups, do as dutchdummy suggests.
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    You shouldn't use Nero to burn dvd-video ISO images (especially dual layer ones). It disregards the ISO's layout, and compresses the contents to "save space". The result is IFO and BUP files potentially in the same ECC block, and messing up your carefully placed layer break.

    All you need to know about how to always burn proper dual layer disks is in the article "How to burn Dual Layer Disks with PgcEdit" (it's the update to the guide fritzi93 mentioned).

    I also agree with fritzi93, who agreed with dutchdummy's recommendation, that if you're just backing up a commercial dvd (with no edits), just rip to ISO with DvdDecrypter, and burn with ImgBurn.
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    Has anyone used just DVD Decryptor to burn the image? I have found my old Sony will not play
    my DL burns when using the latest version of Imgburn. Every other brand of stand alone will however.
    I have had success with either an earlier version of Imgburn or Dvd Decryptor with the Sony. Just not sure what burner app I used and as DL discs are still 7-10 NZD I try to be careful.
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    I've read that link a hundred times already, but have perhaps gone down the wrong path as far as commercial disks go..

    a) So, if you decrypt with either DVDDecrypter, do you simply let IMGBurn automatically pick the best Layer break via the MTD file??

    b) Since DVDFabDecrypter gets the stubburn commercial disks better, and since it doesn't output an .ISO, how would you create the resultant .ISO with the proper layer break??

    Thanx..
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    pijetro,

    In regards to your first question...DvdDecrypter leaves the original layer break intact in an ISO rip. That works fine unless one of the new copy protection schemes is on the disk, in which case cleanup requires the use of other programs, which eliminates the use of an ISO, and changes the correct location for the layer break. While ImgBurn can take a best guess at where to put the layer break, PgcEdit allows you more flexibility and care in seting it.

    The answer to question #2 is still PgcEdit. As soon as you set the layer break in the best place, PgcEdit automatically creates the ISO, and directly calls ImgBurn for the burning (if you've set it up that way).
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    Originally Posted by Bookmd
    I've recently had a problem burning DVD DL. I'm using Verbatim media, ?Gateway burner, and Nero soft...
    The interesting part is that it happens intermittantly...when burning DL, often times the menu will be skipped or corrupted, but the rest of the movie plays fine...I've tried shrinking the material via DVDShrink and when put on a SL disk, it works fine. Anyone else experienced anything like this?
    I was about to post a query on much the same subject. I use Shrink for backups (mostly as a matter of convenience), going 1:1 wherever possible or desirable. On many titles I don't wish to compress, that of course means using a DL blank. This should avoid any reencoding issues. Because the ripper in Shrink is no longer state of the art, I've been using the most recent version of FabDecrypter to handle that part. This would seem to limit what problems Shrink could be responsible for. Still, I'm finding non-functional or only partially functional menus (some buttons work, others don't) on the DLs made in this way. In the most recent case, I only got 20 out of the 24 chapters to show up in the menus. But NOT for ALL standalone players ! The chapters and their contents are indeed present on the disk. Even on a player that only goes up to Chapter 20, if I let the DVD just keep playing, it will play all the way through the end credits, some 20 minutes later. Not sure what is going on here, but I'm thinking the DVD standards compliancy is kinda shaky here.

    The Nero I have installed is 6.3.something, so it's not a Nero 7 problem. Don't want to mess with PGCedit for the DL jobs. I reach for Shrink first, 'cause it's quick and very straightforward.

    dutchdummy wrote:
    "Nero is a first rate program for burning CDs and single layer DVDs in my experience, but I've had nothing but problems with it trying to burn DL. For Dual Layer, I rip to ISO with DVD Decrypter, then burn with IMGBurn. I've had flawless results using that sequence. You can also use DVDFab Decrypter to rip."

    I use Decrypter too, but guess I'm much more of a dummy. In my experience, Decrypter refuses to do anything with existing files on the HDD (an already ripped VIDEO_TS folder); it insists on opening a real DVD Source first. If there is a way around this, I'd like to know about it. I'll have to investigate IMGBURN, but am used to the various options you get with Shrink. Shrink also has some option for burning with Decrypter, so I'll have to brush up on that also.
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    I rip with dvdshrink or clone dvd, making sure to set target for dual layer and burn with burning engine in TMPGEnc DVD Author. No problems. Best of luck.
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    Shrink also has some option for burning with Decrypter, so I'll have to brush up on that also.
    I think i read that the latest Shrink allows to create an .ISO for IMGBurn..

    @vegasbud
    Thanx for the tips...I'll give it a try..
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    To anyone using DvdShrink, you should be aware that the default is to remove the original layer break. You have to go into "Preferences", on the "Output Files" tab and uncheck the "Remove Layer Break" for it to leave the layer break alone.

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    I was just at the ImgBurn forum, and in this thread post #3 (June 22), LightningUK! says:
    DVDShrink doesn't build proper DL ISO images, you need to use something else for that.
    At the moment, the only free tool that does it properly is PgcEdit (which uses mkisofs).
    That would make sense as DvdShrink hasn't been updated in quite some time, and its' primary purpose is to reduce a DVD9 so it will fit on a DVD5.

    If LightningUK! is specifically recommending not to use DvdShrink to create dl iso's, it's probably a good idea to follow his advice.
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    Originally Posted by VegasBud
    To anyone using DvdShrink, you should be aware that the default is to remove the original layer break. You have to go into "Preferences", on the "Output Files" tab and uncheck the "Remove Layer Break" for it to leave the layer break alone..
    Yes, leaving the layer break alone in Shrink was my default for DL jobs.

    Originally Posted by VegasBud
    While ImgBurn can take a best guess at where to put the layer break, PgcEdit allows you more flexibility and care in seting it.
    The answer to question #2 is still PgcEdit. As soon as you set the layer break in the best place, PgcEdit automatically creates the ISO, and directly calls ImgBurn for the burning (if you've set it up that way).
    Yeah, but if you're just going 1:1, using a DL blank, why should you have to reposition the layer break at all, with anything ?
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    Originally Posted by Seeker47
    Yeah, but if you're just going 1:1, using a DL blank, why should you have to reposition the layer break at all, with anything ?
    The method dutchdummy suggested - using the DvdDecrypter-rip to ISO, then ImgBurn to burn the ISO (using the MDS file), you shouldn't have to play with the layer break.
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    Originally Posted by VegasBud
    Originally Posted by Seeker47
    Yeah, but if you're just going 1:1, using a DL blank, why should you have to reposition the layer break at all, with anything ?
    The method dutchdummy suggested - using the DvdDecrypter-rip to ISO, then ImgBurn to burn the ISO (using the MDS file), you shouldn't have to play with the layer break.
    And the ISO rip method sweeps up the Ripguard, Arccos or whatever other intentional defects they may have put on the disc, intact ? So whatever went in is what comes out ?
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    And the ISO rip method sweeps up the Ripguard, Arccos or whatever other intentional defects they may have put on the disc, intact ? So whatever went in is what comes out ?
    The new protection schemes are the "fly in the ointment" for the iso-rip, iso-burn method. These protections were specifically created to make it difficult or (they hope) impossible to rip a dvd and have it still function correctly. DvdDecrypter was never designed to deal with these protections, and can only address part of the problem. Other programs are required to clean up the mess, and any of the additional steps required to correct these "intentional defects" are likely to make the existing layer break inaccurate (at best) or just plain wrong.

    While there are programs like RipIt4Me that can turn the garbage heap into a dvd compliant set of files, the layer break most likely has to be reset after the "rip and clean" finishes. ImgBurn can set a new layer break for you, but it's just using the logical and technically correct location, which may cause a pause during playback when it changes layers.

    Since you have to turn the "cleaned" VIDEO_TS files into an iso anyways for ImgBurn to be able to use it, and the author of ImgBurn only recommends using PgcEdit to create the iso (using freeware), it makes sense to just let PgcEdit also put in a proper layer break. PgcEdit allows you great flexibility in correctly setting the layer break, and if you use the guide by blutach I mentioned above, it's even easy to do.

    Reading all that makes it sound complicated, but using the right programs makes it easy, and reliable. For the new protection schemes:
    1) Rip with RipIt4Me (the easiest way to get a nice clean rip)
    2) Open the rip in PgcEdit and follow blutach's guide.

    After a couple of times, you won't even need the guide, except maybe for occasional reference.

    If the dvd you're working on doesn't have exotic protection, the iso-rip, iso-burn is fast and easy.
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    Bookmd - Are you burning to +R DL or -R DL? There is a HUGE difference and you have to use special settings that are poorly documented if you burn -R DL with ImgBurn or it won't play correctly. If you can burn either +R DL or -R DL, I'd strongly advise sticking to +R DL as -R DL is kind of kludgy.
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  18. I'd say VegasBud's last post is about as complete and definitive as you could ask for. That's my method as well.
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    Originally Posted by anzimike
    I rip with dvdshrink or clone dvd, making sure to set target for dual layer and burn with burning engine in TMPGEnc DVD Author. No problems. Best of luck.


    I just experienced this first hand last night. It was my first time burning to a DL disc. I had a home video that was just over an hour and a half long, with 42 chapter breaks. I used TMPGEnc DVD Authoring to create the disc, but then used Nero to burn it as a DVD Video. The video is all there, and plays fine, the first Title menu shows fine, but then going to any of the lower menus, it is corrupted. It does however play fine on computer DVD drives, which is strange to me. So, if I used the TMPGEnc DVD Authoring burning program, this should not happen? I just want to verify... Thanks!

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