Why don't we start talking about HD capture and 4:2:2 stuff

[Jason A]

Getting ready for all that...just got a few HD encoded discs !!

MPEG2 @ 19.5mb/sec VBR !!! 1920x1080i !!!!

Jason

[SatStorm]

To watch where those resolutions?
To PC?
Even HDTV is only full PAL/NTSC. So those resolution are practically useless. Maybe there are some studio use, but for the far - far future... Let say, 20 years from now!

Today's reality:
Analogue terestial television channels, half of the with mono sound.
There are also some really new stuff to play with:
There are new Hitachi video cameras, which use DVD-RAM and "write" to mpeg 2 full pal resolution. 720 X 576 (480)
DVB/ Satellite/ Terrestial / Cable transmissions, are are flexible Mpeg 2, with resolutions 720 X 576 (480) and bitrate up to 10.000.
That's all

Now, think a bit: It took 65 years to switch from analogue to digital television/radio transmissions. Today, only 7% of the world population use digital transmissions (most of them are cable and satellite users). They say that they need more than 15 years to switch completely to digital. In Germany, they say AFTER 2010 and IF for satellite transmissions... G.B govermant do anything to switch to digital, but there is a 35% of the local population say NO to the change. Most of them focus to terestial analogue TV
Internet for most of the people are email and a substitute of newspaper. The typical worldwide connection is 28.800 dial up... There is no future for internet broadcasts, since the whole cabel network change. In europe, most of the "satellite" internet services closed!

One thing more: ALL TV sets, are analogue. There are no TVs with Digital Tuners... TV's are still analogues, and I don't talk for the screen technology, but for Tuners!!!

Mpeg 2 with full Pal/Ntsc resolution, will be with as for more than 25 years as it is today. The intestry and the way people act, are not intent to do changes all the time. Many countries are very - very poor, and just try to remember that this world ain't only US! I live in E.U. and my salary is about 600 Euros a month! And, I work to a publishing company. They pay well for here...

DVDs have more than 20 years of life beyond them, so and the resolution they present. DVB also the same, even longer (it is open technology, so it might be able for more advanced resolutions in the far far future...)
Technology grows slowly for the common user, don't look us, the power ones!

[Jason A]

Uh....Sat Storm......1920x1080i is HighDefinition..

I watch it all the time..
It is broadcast all the time..
My HTPC(Home Theater PC) runs it all the time..

So why did you say "To watch where those Resolutions" ?????

If you are really into Sat like you name implies, then you'd have the capability to get HD easily!!!

As for your switch to digital..

Well here in the USA, by 2006, ALL TV AND BROADCAST COMPANIES HAVE TO BE TRANSMITING IN DIGITAL !!!

Jason

[SatStorm]

Hi
I am doing all the time that you mention
I own a couple of Nokia 9600s digital receivers with SCSI2 connectors and grabb the stream in real time to my HD a year now!
Visit http://www.no-access.de for more info
You can do it also with a hauppauge wintv/dvb/s card and a programm called dvblive! you goona find on http://www.odsoft.org

Also,for your information, in EE all satellite and cable transmissions must turn digital before 2005. Most E.E. cable providers, already switched to digital a couple of years ago, and the digital satellite transmissions today are 85% of the overall european digital transmissions!
Europe is back for internet, but far front on the DVB matters...

A few technical issues:
The DVB/s/c/t transmissions are limited to Full PAL (720 X 576) and a theoritical bitrate about 15.000Kb/sec. In praxis, the bitrate never goes beyond 10.000.
In Europe also, we have already AC3 audio transmissions on some satellite channels, some of them Free To Air. I made a couple of xSVCDs, with AC3 sound, playable on my Cyberhome m212 standalone.
ALL E.E members already got DVB transmissions. Also all the subscription services in europe are digital since 1997!

So, why to Grabb to 1920x1080 with crazy bitrates, when I have the ORIGINAL broadcasting satellite stream , direct as it is?
Is like grabbing VHS with a resolution of 1440 X 1152....

Also, I like to remind you, that the world is not US only. If something is on US or Japan first, that doesn't mean it's gonna be mainstream worldwide. There are plenty examples. A technologie became standard only if the whole world accept it.
Look what happen with mpeg 1.5 and motorolas mpeg digichiper... No-one follow them except US... Now, US run to follow the rest of the world with Mpeg 2 dvb/s/c/t.....

Finally, the only way to watch those resolution you testing in real life, is with a videoprojector, connected with a PC.
That cost a lot of € !
I own a videoprojector, and it is only limited to 800X600 picture analisys. And that because all DVD and DVB material is 720X576 PAl, I don't need more resolution...
Maybe I am a mainstream person

[Jason A]

Atcually, you are right on only a few things...

"Also,for your information, in EE all satellite and cable transmissions must turn digital before 2005. "

Actually, DVB is already digital so why even mention, and cable is almost there too....but you forgot one important thing,

OTH broadcasting !!!, the only reason the FCC is pushing digital broadcasting is because the will use all the UHF channels here in the USA. The 2006 push is really for all the OTA providers as their signal must be fully digital by 2006, mentioning DVB or cable doesn't mean diddly because....

1.DVB is already digital
2. Cable is not affected by FCC because it is a cable based system....AKA..no RF Freq transmision standard...

NEXT: I also grab my HD content, through a Dish 5000 receiver and a WinTV card.......

Maybe not for you, but here in states, ECHOSTAR (DishNetwork) broadcasts in 2 standard resolutions..

720x480 MPEG2 VBR at a max of 8mb/s
1920x1080i MPEG2 VBR at a max rate of 19mb/s

And HD-HBO, HDNET and many others broadcast movies that are direct transfers of HD master content, no line doublers, no hocus-pocus.

So...you ask........

"So, why to Grabb to 1920x1080 with crazy bitrates, when I have the ORIGINAL broadcasting satellite stream , direct as it is?
Is like grabbing VHS with a resolution of 1440 X 1152.... "

Because the HD content I'm grabing is 1920x1080i !!!!

And it's native....and it looks GREAT!!!!!

Then I play it back through my HTPC which has the 32mb ATI All-in-wounder card which has a native resolution of 1920x1080i and play it out through my Toshiba 45" TheaterWide HD TV...

4-60gb IDE hard drives, and I have plenty of storage!!!

Jason

[SatStorm]

Well it seems there is a difficultly to understand each other, maybe because there is no full knowledge of the other side, or my english suck...
In Europe we have analogue satellite transmissions and digital ones. All analogue transmissions must switch to digital before 2005, something very difficult to happen...

Terrestial digital broadcasts are already on UK, Sweden, Norway, Spain and I think Denmark. On UK they try to switch full to digital before 2004... impossible but they hope so..
For more than 20 years, digital and analogue TV will be together on terrestial transmissions. This is a reallity for Europe!
There is no Plan for 1920x1080 transmissions as far as I know for Europe. So, god bless america for those...
The good thing in europe, is that we don't have to pay to watch TV. Terrestial and most of Satellite channels here are Free. All channels are limited with only 7 min per hour for commercials! One reason you have such resolutions and services in US, is because you pay for them!
We don't pay for TV here, so we get what they simply give us

Anyway, I don't have any source for 1920x1080 video, so I don't have any opinion for this matter!

Have fun!