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  1. Hello,

    I own a Kiss DP-508 DVD player, which plays XviD and DivX. I'm living in ireland, so our TV system is PAL. A lot of the divx movies i get my hands on are NTSC format. Thankfully, the player can output NTSC, but my television cannot accept it. If I try this, the picture looks fine, but it is jerky; it evenly jerks about once per second. I assume this has something to do with the framerate difference.

    I discovered that NTSC to PAL hardware converters are available, like this one:
    http://www.merconnet.com/product_info.php?products_id=457

    My question is, will converters like this solve this framerate issue and give me smooth playback, or do they mearly convert the picture and not resolve the jerking issue?

    Thanks a lot for any replies,

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    The converter will Convert the video to PAL ok and wont be as jerky as if one wasn't being used (Most shots will be smooth). What you will find (and its unavoidable) on fast panning shots there will be a slight jerk in the picture but not at a level that is totally off putting. This is basically down to the different speeds between NTSC and PAL (PAL is about 16% slower than NTSC) and the fact that the converter can't sufficiently deal with the change in video speed while converting on the fly where the video is being panned fast. At the end of the day it will be able to help you watch it on your TV (most of the time it will appear smooth but like I say on the odd Shots that pan across the screen fast you will notice a slight jerk in the picture which like I say is unavoidable).

    Hope this info helps.
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    I've tried converters that were 10 times the price of that one ... the said truth is that most of those converters are shit.

    I can't imagine a converter that price (the one in the link) will do you any good.

    Most DivX/Xvid files that are NTSC have a frame rate of 23.976fps ... very easy to convert this to 25fps ... but you have to change the audio as well.

    I could go into the details of how to do it if you think you are willing to try.

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  4. What television do you have?

    Frankly, you'd get better results buying a replacement television that can accept native NTSC.

    What is the jerkiness like? Sometimes it's just crap conversion from film to video. Only last night - in a momentary lapse of judgement - I watched about 5 minutes of an old Dukes of Hazzard episode. This was on TV - not from a DVD etc. It was unwatchable (for other obvious reasons, of course) but mainly because every second or so, the picture jerked - as if some frames were missing.

    As far as converters go, I have a Tenlab - it does a good job but cost more than a decent TV.
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    Originally Posted by JohnnyMalaria
    As far as converters go, I have a Tenlab - it does a good job but cost more than a decent TV.
    I have a TenLabs TR-10SP and I am not crazy about it especially with DVD as a source. Of course the TR-10SP is limited to roughly VHS resolution ... maybe one of the higher priced models that support 400 - 500 lines would be A-OK but they are too damn expensive.

    Even for PAL VHS to NTSC the TR-10SP is not that great at times ... especially in dark scenes.

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    I bought my TenLabs TR-10SP back around 1994 or 1995 so it seemed fine then resolution wise as I bought it for PAL VHS to NTSC but like I said it isn't even that good sometimes for that!
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  6. Originally Posted by FulciLives
    I bought my TenLabs TR-10SP back around 1994 or 1995 so it seemed fine then resolution wise as I bought it for PAL VHS to NTSC but like I said it isn't even that good sometimes for that!
    Similar story here. At the time, it served its purpose well - certainly better than the pile-o-crap AIWA multistandard converter VCR I had, too. I've just been looking at some of my Video8 PAL material from that era - damn, we're so spoilt with DV!
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  7. I am confused, you have ntsc dvd discs, will your dvd player not allow switching to convert the discs to pal to let you watch on your pal tv?

    I would rarely convert anything from ntsc to pal (I only do odd projects for friends who must have the correct format, the ifoedit method works a lot of time, usually not on sony dvd player(Oh isn;t that a suprise). or vice versa,

    Get a dvd player that will just convert the dvd to your native broadcast standard, in this hobby the KISS principle holds well.

    Also I just got my tenlab TR11S back from them(The s video sockets were toast) charged $80 to clean it up as well and calibrate it. and am very impressed by the quality of its conversion, it has a TBC built in as well.

    In my final stages of experimentation , no filters etc will really , make a difference if the source is poor/grainy,not significanly anyway.

    Use a good vcr then through a TBC and a simple enhancer and a good dvd recorder for quality(Not panasonic).

    Sorry my original post read like I was an idiot!
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