nero is dead, any alternative?

[ecos]

hello!


I have purchased many nero versions so far

I did so, because nero seemed to be the most popular burning software

my need always is a I thought it was reliability

I want to accurate and reliable burn cd,dvd, I dont care about anything else, features I never use, glamorous appearance etc etc

I want to back up my data accurately, bit per bit, and to be readable in as much as possible devices

when I say my data, I dont burn only movies ofcourse

as soon as nero comes with many burner devices, I thought it is the most reliable

in latest versions, nero has become a total bloatware, a system resources eater, that consumes all my RAM and CPU (I cannot open any other application, when nero burns, not even a web browser)

when I lately burned unsuccessfuly an image with nero, while it burned flawlessly with imgburn (a 1MB freeware!!) on the SAME rewritable media, I thought 'ok, thats it, nero is dead'

so I am looking for the most accurate, compatible, and reliable burning software, regardless its price

any suggestions?

thanks!

[Dv8ted2]

It would be helpful if your filled out your computer profile. Nero might not be the problem. How much RAM do you have? What programs are you running? Have you disabled unneeded services? Are you using the candy graphics? How many icons are in your system tray?

All of these things consume RAM. I have a self built system with 512 MB of RAM and have zero problems with burning with Nero 7. I even run other programs at the same time.

[bendixG15]

To apprciate Nero, use Roxio for a while.

There is no undisputed champion software package that rules.
Everybody has their favorites..

[aedipuss]

To apprciate Nero, use Roxio for a while.

There is no undisputed champion software package that rules.
Everybody has their favorites..

can't argue with that. all my comps have been nero/roxio free since about '99. the burning apps i use: cd_architect for audio cd; cdrwin 3.9 for bin/cue; alcohol 120% for cd/dvd images; prassi ones for data; copytodvd for video ts folders.

prassi ones is about the most complete and could serve to burn just about everything, except it doesn't get along well with my recent liteon dvd -r +r ram lightscribe burner for ts folder burns.

[ecos]

my hardware profile isnt that decent, it consists though of a 512RAM, Pentium M 1.6, and the whole OS load is pretty low in average

quote: To apprciate Nero, use Roxio for a while.

this means that nero is better than roxio?

anyway, the errors with nero make me believe it sucks big time, not to mention the total blotware package

[Faustus]

I would have once said how much I loved Recordnow but the latest version by Roxio is horrible to say the least.

[laspis59]

Just to let you know the alternatives I like.

Exact Audio Copy with cdrdao, burnatonce or Burrrn for audio burning.

Prassi ONES for data (But I admit to still using Nero Burning ROM 6 for this).You could use BAO for data but I found multisession didn't work for me.

ImgBurn or DVDDecrypter for DVD burning.

For VCD burning I have VCDEasy commercial and simply use the CDRDAO burning engine option when authoring is complete.

[fjmr]

I have burnt more than 500 DVD´s and 300 CD´s with Nero 6.

No coaster, very smooth and reliable soft.

At the moment I use version 66018.

[Bjs]

Mine is 6.3.1.26 , on dell laptop , never an issue ... of course having many pc's here , not all run this version ... each has a purchased licensed version for each pc .

Problem's more related to media issue .

As for sucking the life out of the pc ... this is common with registry error's .

Many program's use the system registry , and many leave crap behind when unistalled ... leading to conflict's ...

"maya under xp + sp2 stuff's up ie browser" ... I am not a happy buyer ... install to use , uninstall if I need ie browser ... pain .

Use avgfree and adaware se to check system for hidden problem's .
Defrag hd's .

Run msconfig , and check what you have running at startup ... idiot program's such as quicktime , itunes ... ect do not need to be loaded at the startup of pc ... they should only be called by os when actually required ... so disable all that crap and hit apply , ok , and reboot pc ... should fire up faster now .

When burning , do not try running other program's ... wait till burn complete's .

You bought nero ... have you downloaded possible update's yet ... these update's are large because you basically need to download the updated package ... it may have fix's you need .

As I dont alway's use nero's interface ... I commonly use for simplicity :

Imgburn for sl dvd or dvddecrypter for dl dvd burning .

[ROF]

I have been using Nero 7 for a while now. I used Nero 6 before that and never had the issues you have. Of course, if I were using an ancient processor such as the 1.6 Pentium I would not dare do anything while burning. The processor would not be able to keep up with the load. Nero comes a complete suite of tools. If you consider the entire suite bloatware then you do not understand how to install this software. You get to choose what gets installed unlike some other software already mentioned here.

I would look at other issues besides the software to be causing your problem. I install nero for people all the time. I installed 4 copies already this week alone. I will be installing another later today when I get around to putting the system together. If you have problems with it, I'd say it's user error.

[lordsmurf]

I use Nero 6 for data with my Pioneer burner.
I use Nero 5.5 for data and DVD-Video with my older burner.

Prassi ONES may be an alternative.
RecordNow may be an alternative.

It depends on your exact model of burner, to be honest.

[fjmr]

ROF

I have NERO 6 installed on my PC.

I intend to install NERO 7 without uninstalling NERO 6 do you think it will work doing so.

[lordsmurf]

Zip Nero 6's Program Files folder up and delete the Nero 6 folder.
Install Nero 7.
Unzip and restore the Nero 6 folders.

I did this on my current system to run both Nero 5.5 and 6 at the same time.

It works okay.

Search the forum, I posted about it in January 2005.

[boldego]

I use CopytoDVD and have had good luck with it.

[MOVIEGEEK]

I use Nero 6.6 and it has worked on all formats except DL DVD-VIDEO(I use ImgBurn and RecordNow),I tried the Nero 7 trial and didn't like it.

[cd090580]

Nero 7 works very fine for me and it never crashed while burning.

The most annoying "bug" is in Nero recode which now need twice the space to do a recode

[CBC]

Just to let you know the alternatives I like.

Exact Audio Copy with cdrdao, burnatonce or Burrrn for audio burning.

Prassi ONES for data (But I admit to still using Nero Burning ROM 6 for this).You could use BAO for data but I found multisession didn't work for me.

ImgBurn or DVDDecrypter for DVD burning.

For VCD burning I have VCDEasy commercial and simply use the CDRDAO burning engine option when authoring is complete.

What he said!
except..what's a "VCD"?

[SLK001]

I think your problem exists between chair and keyboard. What did the NERO log say of the image that failed? What made the image that failed? How did you try to burn it? How fast did you try to burn it? Did your buffer "run dry"? What makes you think that IMGBURN burned it correctly?

I've been using NERO for quite some time now, and I've never had a failure that was NERO's fault. Data CDs, multisession disks, CD-Audio disks and DVDs - NERO does it all, and does it well (the burning aspect, anyway). It does have more than its share of "bloatware" that is simply "not the best", but just don't use that crap.

[ROF]

what's a "VCD"?

https://www.videohelp.com/vcd

[VegasBud]

Of course, if I were using an ancient processor such as the 1.6 Pentium I would not dare do anything while burning. The processor would not be able to keep up with the load.

That runs contrary to everything I know about computers, so I decided to do a little test. I don't have a "1.6 pentium", but I do have a 1.8 GHz Celeron machine, so that's what the test was done on.

During the actual burning (not encoding, iso preparation, etc which aren't time critical) CPU usage started out in the range of 4%-7%. As the burn progressed, and the write speed increased to a maximum of 8.3x (rather than waste a TY disk, I just used an old Ritek G05), the CPU usage increased to 10%-15%. Throughout the burn there were momentary spikes that went into the 18%-19% area, but at no time did CPU usage reach 20%.

As a measure of how slow dvd drives are, in comparison to a CPU, the verification cycle (which maxed out at 13.8x), only spiked to 34% CPU usage, mostly running in the 20%-25% range.

Personally, I still wouldn't do anything else on the computer during a burn, regardless of the CPU speed, but even a 1.8 Ghz Celeron (or "1.6 pentium") is obviously capable of doing so, at least CPU-wise.

If you consider the entire suite bloatware then you do not understand how to install this software. You get to choose what gets installed unlike some other software already mentioned here.

The Nero 7 "suite" is 19 applications, which is why it costs what is does. You may not have to install the whole "suite", but you're still paying for the whole "suite". Paying for something you have no intention of using is not a wise purchase.

In the interest of full disclosure, I've been using a copy of Nero 5.5xxx on an old computer to burn data cd's for years. It works okay for me, for that purpose. On the other hand I don't use Nero at all on my video computer, or any of my other computers, nor do I feel any need to.

The "best" software for any task is what works for the user. We all have our preferences, ways that make the job easier. If ecos doesn't like Nero, then he shouldn't use it. Alternatives have been suggested, the Tools section on this site has others, and Google has 2.8 million links to "dvd burning software". Hopefully, he'll find something that works for him. I wish him good luck.

[smearbrick1]

I don't think it is a question of whether or not the original poster likes Nero or not. He obviously likes Nero or he wouldn't have used several different versions. The problem comes about when a person abandons software for the wrong reason. The state things like: "Nero is bloatware and it is causing my system to crash." Ok... this is fine. Nero is a bit bloated.... if you install the whole suite. Also, what is causing the crash? Is it Nero? Is it you? To just blindly blame the software when it could very well be the person using the software is complete ignorance. I personally am one of the Nero fans. I've had Nero 5.0, 5.5, and 6. I'm haven't upgraded to 7 because 5.5 and 6 fit my needs fine.

One of the other posters had it right: "If you think Nero is bad, you obviously haven't used Roxio."

[CBC]

what's a "VCD"?

https://www.videohelp.com/vcd

What's a "joke"?

[ecos]

I think your problem exists between chair and keyboard. What did the NERO log say of the image that failed? What made the image that failed? How did you try to burn it? How fast did you try to burn it? Did your buffer "run dry"? What makes you think that IMGBURN burned it correctly?

I've been using NERO for quite some time now, and I've never had a failure that was NERO's fault. Data CDs, multisession disks, CD-Audio disks and DVDs - NERO does it all, and does it well (the burning aspect, anyway). It does have more than its share of "bloatware" that is simply "not the best", but just don't use that crap.

you know something, I would be ok with nero, but it does something which makes it VERY unreliable

while it may say "burn successful", you always have to verify the cd/dvd

thats because many "succesful" burns turned out to be corrupted and unreadable media

not to mention, nero takes FULL system resources to just verify a media, its extremely annoying

most of you as I saw use previous nero versions, well those versions seem ok, I use the latest (in order to achieve maximum accuracy and reliability), and latest version is a TOTAL bloatware

someone said P 1.6 is ancient, its P M 1.6 actualy, and I dont think its ancient, or maybe you change hardware every three months

aw, and bloatware has not much do with nero being 19 apps in one

nero burning app is bloatware by itself, fat (consumes disk space considering the only 1-2MB of other apps), hungry (eats system resources like crazy)

[CBC]

I like Prassi ONEs because it's gui is simple & uncluttered, doesn;t offer a bunch of options I'll never need/use,is very inexpensive, install folder is only like 6MB. & it's burning engine has proven to be quite reliable in my daily useage .

[Dv8ted2]

You know something, I would be ok with nero, but it does something which makes it VERY unreliable

while it may say "burn successful", you always have to verify the cd/dvd.

I have never had to verify and I am running an athlon 64 based system.

thats because many "succesful" burns turned out to be corrupted and unreadable media

not to mention, nero takes FULL system resources to just verify a media, its extremely annoying

Never had those problems. If you are complaining about verification, then I suggest you not do it.

most of you as I saw use previous nero versions, well those versions seem ok, I use the latest (in order to achieve maximum accuracy and reliability), and latest version is a TOTAL bloatware.

I use Nero 7 and you can choose which apps to install.

[ecos]

I dont complain about verification

1)unfortunately, I have to run it because even nero reports 'successful' burn, some sectors may be unreadable (it doesnt happen all the time, only few, but its crucial anyway)

2)imgburn doesnt result in unreadable sectors, while nero does in the SAME rewritable media, erased with the same application, either imgburn or nero each time

3)the nero verification process shouldnt require so much CPU power (it takes more to verify a cd than to actually burn it!)

I am surprised there is no GNU or other open source tool to burn media, I suppose this happens because nero and hardware manufacturers pay each other to maintain their co-operation

my laptop came with nt burning software and my other laptop with something else, I dont remember

maybe we should use the software that manufacturer suggests for the specific hardware, but I couldnt find a list or more info on this

[Dr_Layne]

I too can recommend Prassi ONES. If you need it to burn Video_TS folders, be sure to install the update.

I was using nero to burn my DVD projects until I discovered it would change the IFO files produced by some DVD authoring software such as Sony's DVD Architect. Very annoying. Prassi ONES will not do this and will leave the files exactly as I intended them to be.

Steve

[SLK001]

If you have failures that were initially reported as "Successful", then I believe that you are burning too fast for the brand of media that you are using. I've seen this before when I tried to burn cheaper media at its rated (alleged) capabilities. I tend to burn at slower speeds because of the media, not because of Nero.

[RLT69]

someone said P 1.6 is ancient, its P M 1.6 actualy, and I dont think its ancient, or maybe you change hardware every three months

Your processor is 3 years old. That's ancient. Not too mention it's the Mobile Pentium processor - which is not known to be a power house.

2)imgburn doesnt result in unreadable sectors, while nero does in the SAME rewritable media, erased with the same application, either imgburn or nero each time

Question: If ImgBurn works for you, then why are you bothering with Nero?

Honestly, most people drop software that doesn't work for them and move on to something that does. You don't seem interested in troubleshooting your issue but rather bent on bashing Nero. If ImgBurn works for you, move on.

I agree with others that the fault lies with the user. Until you provide more detailed information people cannot diagnose the problem. Call Nero crap solves nothing.

[ecos]

I really would like to use only imgburn, but its limited as it burns only images

as I stated in my first post, I want to move on, but I am worried about compatibility and reliability

I am afraid that nero and manufacturers are exchanging info in a more intense way, than other software developers can obtain info about hardware

I believe P M 1.6 should be just fine, more than enough to be able to burn a media, so its obvious we re talking about bloatware

the details are at hand, but the fact is that where a freeware small app, imgburn, worked, nero failed

I am using Sony Vaio laptop, tayo-yuden media (one of the best) and I let nero burn at the speed it decides