LD might have been abandoned by the big boys but it is enjoying something of a renassiance on Ebay. You can't beat the original Star Wars trilogy on LD even if it does mean changing discs every hour or 2 lol.Originally Posted by Cornucopia
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The studios will not abandon DVD for some time.
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1-Because commodity BD and HD-DVD players do not exist. And it is quite conceivable that both SONY and Toshiba will do their best to protect their intellectual property and keep the chip makers and their reference designs at bay. This has been a key factor in driving the DVDPlayer/recorder price drops.
2-Because if piracy is a problem for the studios now, the abandonment of the format would generate an major increase in the number of pirated titles available. Nature abhors a vacuum.
As for Pioneer's decision to leave an unprofitable business - good for them. DVD recorders have not been good sellers. The Wall Street Journal reported on the price free-fall due to poor sales a couple of months back. The low end recorders are based on chipset reference designs, are easy enough to use and still don't appeal to the larger market. Perhaps this is because of the ease of copying DVDs on a PC. -
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Originally Posted by TBoneit
People switched to CDs when the players became reasonably affordable. What the average consumer liked is the convenience and durability of the format. The manufacturers were eager to see us switch because the production of CD media is so much less costly to them. Now that iPods are taking over they won't even have to make CDs which is cheaper for them still.
In the future there won't be any discs at all regardless of format. Round media isn't necessary to watch or store HDTV. -
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Adjusting for currency exchange between dollars and pounds, they aren't near that much here. Are you saying you'd rather go back to LPs and cassettes? I'll pass on that one.
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Originally Posted by Robbins1940
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Originally Posted by samijubal
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Originally Posted by Frobozz
The machines may have cost a small fortune to own but at least you knew you were getting a product that was guaranteed to work and the Pioneer LD players were built to last. I bet a machine made in 1985 still works fine today unlike todays machines where you are lucky if it lasts 5 years let alone 20. -
I've used 4 different laserdisc players, not one of them had anywhere near the picture quality of DVDs. You must be using some sorry DVD players.
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Originally Posted by samijubal
Looks like we will have to disagree on this. -
Originally Posted by ROF
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Originally Posted by Robbins1940
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Originally Posted by samijubal
What LD machines have you got? I had the CLD-2700, CLD-D925 and the CLD-S315(hoping to get the DVL-919E off Ebay soon) and all 3 machines put out a perfect picture. Jurassic Park(CAV) looks great on LD. I tend to use S-Video and audio cables not a nasty cheapy scart cable. Will look crap if you are using composit cable. -
Ohhhh, cmon everybody - LDs vs.CDs, vinyl etc. war or what.
Pioneer is going down in its own majour field! Just like Dual was the king of the turntables we have another top specialist giving up possitions because of the cruel reality.
I don't think ther is perfect product or all have to get 100% from certain brand. Actually I don't like much even the SP quality from tuner on my Pioneer 530H. But it is very solid product - easy to work with and with exseptional sound quality.
In Japan the biger model was praised exactly for the sound.
It is a lost for the geek comunity if Pioneer really stops recorder development -
Hasn't anyone been reading? DVD is on it's way out whether you want it to or not.
There are new delivery methods for content and now there is a new larger storage media for it. Is DVD dead? not by a long shot but come this time next year HD will have made it's way into alot of consumers homes. Making DVD another has been media format. There are still people who use tape to view their media.
Pioneer is smart to get out now. In this way they can focus on the future and stop promoting the past. -
Originally Posted by Robbins1940
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VHS isn't dead. Just had a change of distribution channel - yard sales, thrift shops, flea markets and Ebay.
Anything available on DVD can be had on VHS and a lot of stuff that hasn't been released on DVD too.
There is so much out there that its no wonder that enforcement appears to be non-existant.
Its really too bad I lack the space for any VHS tapes. -
And like I said LD is enjoying something of a renaissance on Ebay.
samijubal Sony LD players were known to be bad. Nobody in their right minds who knew would never have purchased a LD machine from Sony. They were useless in making LD players that would work. Do you still have those 100 lasers? You should sell them in Ebay. Depending on the title you will get a few bob for them. -
Originally Posted by Robbins1940
A lot of LDs were poorly made, and they will perform poorly on any LD player. LD is also an analoge format, which means that a great LD will look great on a great player, but crappy on on a bad LD player. In other words, the quality of your LD movie will depend on your disk and your player. For DVD that isn't really the case, DVD quality will vary less with the player, but obviously a poorly mastered DVD will look crappy on any player. There are exceptions, but variance in DVD players is far less than in LD players.
Yes, early DVDs often didn't do too well, but that is less and less of an issue. Today a decent budget DVD has been frame-by-frame encoded, blocking and banding isn't really an issue (on these movies) etc. With the higher resolution of DVD, there is no reason a DVD should trail an LD (which has lower resolution) in quality.Terje A. Bergesen -
What was wrong with analogue?
There was no pixelation problems with LD. Also if it wasn't for LD you would never have had CD, AC-3, DTS and other digital audio sound formats.
DVD is only 19% better than LD. LD was capable of 440 lines and DVD is 500 lines(PAL). -
I've been slowly selling my laserdisc collection to the local book and records shops. I had a Sony laserdisc player that broke twice in it's short lifespan. The 2nd time Sony told me it would cost over $300.00 to repair it because of the laser. I never repaired it & it collected dust sitting on the entertainment rack.
I'm glad to hear Pioneer isn't getting out of the dvd business. With the world of high tech who knows what will happen. As the old saying goes, "MONEY TALKS, BULL SHIT WALKS". -
Originally Posted by Robbins1940
You are correct that there was no pixelation problem with LDs but that is also the case with good DVDs. A well mastered DVD will not suffer pixelation problems.
As to max number of lines lines, just to nit pick, NTSC LD is 400, NTSC DVD is 480. PAL LD is 440, PAL DVD is 576.Terje A. Bergesen -
Also with LD being analog, scratches on the discs means distortion in the picture. Scratches don't affect DVDs until it's bad enough to skip.
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One trip to an electronics store and you will immediately see that alot of people are quite interested in high definition. You may not be but most people are. This is what will drive the stake into DVD. It just can't compete with newer offerings. Some people may be satisfied with their cancer causing 25" CRT screen but the majority of purchasers are buying Projector, LCD, or Plasma high definition sets. Visit a store, listen to what customers are asking about and you will see that DVD has a limited life span. Most consumers will want to get the most out of their purchase. DVD can't provide that with a newer viewing screen.
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There are millions more people sitting at home watching their analog TVs they've had for 10 years or more. You don't see them in electronics stores because they are happy with what they have. There are still many people that have TVs with only a coax connector that need to get RF modulators to use a DVD player, I see it in other forums all the time. All electronics have a limited life span. You make it sound like DVD is going to be gone in 6 months, not going to happen, 10 years, probably.
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I still have a Black and White U-13 Dial Channel TV too but I don't think I could buy it today or sell it for more than the price of a DVD movie. If you read my posts I have said DVD isn't going to simply dry up overnight. There are simply too many people who own it for it disappear quickly. What you will see is more and more manfacturers of equipment stop production and move on to better and newer consumer products.
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ROF, Lets see why I won't be buying these.
Projector = High Maint costs (Bulb usually)
Plasma = Short Life as they lose brightness
LCD = Need to buy expensive to get decent viewing angle and fast enough pixels. Back liight costs to repair, inverter can go bad etc.
RPTV, New models may be better but as I recall older models needed periodic adjustments.
For my usage pattern the 32" TV on the swivel base fits my needs the best.
I stand ready to be corrected of course.
But for what my life experience shows me a picture tube model is in my future unless they discontinue them, a not impossible scenario.
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