Backing up DVD with 2 versions

[ClaudiuS01]

I'm trying to backup the abyss, which has 2 versions on same DVD, theatrical and extended. On the disc they are mixed in a peculiar way regarding to which VID/CID they use. Actually I would like to make a backup of only the extended version since the theatrical version as far as I know only lack some scenes cut for violence/action and language to make it pass censorship.

At the same time I would like to ad a new subsstream.

Is there a guide for that somewhere? Cant find any that covers this.

Thanx in advance

ClaudiuS

[ClaudiuS01]

Hmmm... No answers. Maybe I'm not explaining clearly enough. Problem is 2 movies on same DVD spread over 2 VTS's and mixed according to VOB-ID's and CELL-ID's.

I can split the movies on 2 DVDR's but how can I keep the menus?

[guns1inger]

Try ripping with DVD Decrypter. In the settings you can tell it to rip only one angle. Click the File Mode tab, then check Multi-Angle Processing and pick an angle to keep. Everything else should remain intact.

[Grain]

If you have CloneDVD2 you can just de-select the shorter title, keeping only the extended version/menus etc.

[ClaudiuS01]

And turn up with a bunch of open GOP's? Unfortunately this is not an option.

Any other suggestions?

[guns1inger]

What have you tried so far ?

Simplest solution is DL. Then it is effectively 1:1 and oyu don't have to worry about it.

[anzimike]

Probably uses seamles branching. The last version of dvdshrink supports this. Open disc in shrink and select reauthor mode and drag the longer title to the left pane, and select output settings and location. I did this a year or two ago. It still needs to be shrunk pretty aggressively or put on DL, because it's almost three hours long.

[ClaudiuS01]

gunslinger: I've tried so many solutions that I can't recall them all. DL wont help, as I mentioned I would like to change one of the subs, and that means demuxing!

anzimike: For a reason I can't see, dvdshrink wont see maintitle and the second version in author mode. It only recons title 3 to 5. (Using version 3.2.0.15)

[MovieDud]

@ClaudiuS01, My friend I would suggest, as the above psoter mentioned...CloneDvd 2. DL the 21 day trial and simply open the whole disk...deselect the items you don't want, click the menus pox and process...that's it. This special edition did use seamless branching, but CloneDvd 2 handles this great. I know since I made a backup of the movie (ext edition) and then used Rebuilder Pro to convert it from 4:3 letterbox to 16X9. I know it says that it is enhanced, while in fact it isn't.
MovieDud

[ClaudiuS01]

MovieDud: One of the many things I've tried, was like supposed to use CloneDVD. I did as mentioned, using Elby CloneDVD2 version 2.8.9.8. When demuxing the result, there were still many open GOP's several so large that muxman rendered a totally useless result. ;o)

Clip from muxman.log:
Bitrate - avg: 4360190, min: 573440 (lba 0), max: 8110080 (lba 1658869).
Shortest GOP has 2 fields, longest GOP has 46 fields.
Fields: 498056, VOBU: 16599, Sectors: 2650902.
Largest GOP of 46 fields exceeds DVD specification of 30, resulting DVD is non-standard.

[manono]

Hi-

Have you tried to strip out the unwanted angle using IFOEdit? Here's a guide:

http://www.doom9.org/mpg/ifoedit-multiangle.htm#anglestrip

You can do the same thing using DVDRemake Pro (except it doesn't always work for me, but then neither does IFOEdit always work, but I could be doing something wrong). I can't find a guide for it, but it's explained pretty thoroughly in the user manual.

[ClaudiuS01]

Thanx manono, I was waiting for you to turn up. These two methodes are ones that I have tried though. The ifoedit way following an other guide, so I think I will try this once again.

[ClaudiuS01]

Nope, still comes up with lots of open GOP's when demuxed.

[manono]

Aren't you going to reencode it? And won't the GOP problem be fixed upon reencoding? I've used both DVDRemake Pro and IFOEdit before for stripping out angles, but I've always reencoded afterwards, and haven't encountered your problem before.

[ClaudiuS01]

I use to remux with muxman right away. Usually there's nno problems. Which prog is best for this?

[manono]

Best for what? Remuxing? I also like Muxman. But I still don't understand why you care about these too-long GOPs if you're going to reencode. Maybe I'm not understanding something.

[ClaudiuS01]

No, for reencoding?

I thank you for your answers, but I'm a little in trouble on this one. The guides you refer to are surely very good, but they keep branching off, to continue on another guide. Tried to print them, but they are unfortunately not present in printerfriendly version. ;o(

[manono]

Oh, for reencoding.

Doesn't really matter what you use as the GOPs will be rewritten based on your encoder settings. For what it's worth, I use CCE.

I only linked to the Doom9 IFOedit guide, I think. That app can do a lot, but only 1 small section of the guide is about removing angles, as I remember. I mentioned the DVDRemake Pro user manual which is downloadable. Anyway, I (again) don't quite understand.

[jimmalenko]

I'd suggest that the long GOP problem is an encoding error on the original disc. If you want/need to fix it, you'll need to re-encode, or alternatively try something like Restream, MPEG-VCR or VideoRedo, all of which I believe to have GOP-fixing sections in them.

[ClaudiuS01]

Thanx for the answers. I've come to think of something else:
Could it be a problem regarding this, that it's too long since I last reinstalled windows xp (maybe a year) and that too many dvd-related programs (maybe 50 or so) are installed making trouble with my registry?

[jimmalenko]

I don't think that's got anything to do with anything, personally. I think you're trying to do three different tasks all at once, and are losing sight of the bigger picture and what you want to end up with.


What you have:
A DVD with both Extended and Theatrical versions and Menu, but with a weird file layout as far as VOB and Cell IDs go.


What you want:
1. You want the Extended Version Only (not Theatrical)
2. You want to add a Subs stream
3. You want to retain original Menus


What you need to do:
1. Remove Theatrical version, whilst keeping everything else
2. Demux Extended Version, add Subs (Remux), Modify IFOs & BUPs to recognise new subs


For no 1. above, you should be able to do this using something like VOBBlanker or TitleSetBlanker to remove the Theatrical Version, whilst keeping everything else as-is. This is at least a start.

Now for no 2. above, you have demuxed, and then whilst remuxing, you get an error in the log about long GOPs. Since the demuxing process does not alter GOPs, it means that the original DVD shipped with non-compliant GOPs in the first place. So if your muxing software will not allow you to ignore the long GOP problem, then you either need to use a muxing software that will ignore that, or alternatively re-encode or otherwise fix the GOP problem with either an encoder or MPEG Fix Tools as specified above.

Something like DVDRemake could come in really handy here.

[ClaudiuS01]

You got the picture, just I want to remove 1 sub and put in another, not add 1, but otherwise your right.
I have tried vobblanker, dvdremake, dvdshrink and ifoedit to try delete the short angel, all turned up with too long open GOP's and not remuxable with muxman. That is, it remuxes the movie, but fails to make the systemfiles.
But your clearifying something to me: I believed the GOP's derived from removing 1 of the angels. Thanx.

I'm trying to get a firm grip of the reencoding process (I've removed other angels than the extended with ifoedit).

[ClaudiuS01]

When demuxed with dvddecrypter in ifomode I get a m2v-file. When trying to load this in CCE I get the error: GdipLoadImageFromFile failed : 3

Btw the term multiangel as introduced by gunslinger earlier may not be true for this dvd. Nowhere can I find anything that confirms more than 1 angel, but the dvd has two separate versions.