Wants an XBOX 360 and the HD DVD addon this Christmas? Guess what...

[MeDiCo_BrUjO]

Anyone heard of a BSOD on the 360 lately?

[Super Warrior]

I could care less. Unless they start releasing 360 games in *HD-DVD ONLY*, i wouldn't bother with the add-on.

[Super Warrior]

This only reminds me why I made the decision to go Nintendo this time and let the big boys fight it out with their over priced toys.

Yeah but in doing so you condemme yourself to a pathetic game selection that consists of 1st party nintendo titles and little else.

Meh as Mega-overpriced the other systems are, i'd rather wait for the price drop. As with the current and previous gen, gamers can count on the PlayStation brand console to have a vast, dreamy game selection that is second to none.

*hugs PS2*

[Doramius]

As the new systems come out, you may end up being 2-3 generations behind with that mode of mind.

Nintendo has ALWAYS run under the mode of, "Make It Affordable". The Wii will be priced under $250. It'll play DVDs, the new games as well as Game Cube Games. You'll even be able to download or buy ALL Nintendo games ever made for any of their platforms (though only 700 of the most popular titles will be released for it in the first few weeks while the rest will trickle in according to their schedule).

I haven't bought a new system since the N64. I bought a used GC, and I could probably afford a used PS2 or Xbox. The games I play are FPS, and games like Resident Evil & Metal Gear. Anything else I play on the PC.

[yoda313]

It'll play DVDs

Is that confirmed??

I doubt they'd do that. If the new WII games can fit on a Gamecube cd than they wouldn't need to make it the size of a dvd and save that much more money. By not having to do dvd specs and all that would cut the costs down even more.

I don't know if they are or not but I would be suprised if the WII does dvd.

[Doramius]

I see somebody here is a little behind in current events. :P

http://www.nintendo.com/newsarticle?articleid=02ea1a40-ac09-4cdf-9548-91e5a4e78746

Two disc formats, one slot: Instead of a tray, a single, innovative, self-loading media bay will play both 12-centimeter optical discs used for the new system as well as Nintendo GameCube discs. Owners will have the option of equipping a small, self-contained attachment to play movies and other DVD content.

More information here:
http://wii.nintendo.com/home.html

[Super Warrior]

It will be able to play DVD movies too(ANOTHER feature nintendo shamelessly rips from sony).

I think they'll go the way of the X-Box 1 though, only allowing the DVD movie feature if gamers have the DVD-remote thingy. Which will probabley not be an actual remote control, but a little device that connects to the end of the Wii-mote port. Which then allows DVD-Movie playing.

[Doramius]

It's true that the DVD part is an option. They've always mentioned it that way. But it's not a simple dongle and remote. It's a small unit that attaches directly to the machine. They mention it may sell for around $20. (reread the quote I attached)

The fact that you mention that it 'shamelessly rips from Sony' puts you in a misunderstanding. All disc-game players have the ability to read a "movie" format. Sega talked about this years ago, but the compression of video made short and poor quality shows. There was no point. With DVD technology included in the new systems, they could use more high quality video. However, the technology when combined with a specific decrypter and reader, it can read traditional movies.

In short, the laser is the same. You add a module and it reads movie DVDs. The PS2 has it included as the main unit. The XBOX, did not have it entirely included, and required the remote and dongle. The Wii, will offer it as a separate unit to help lower the cost. Even if the Wii had the unit included, it would still be selling less than the original XBOX without it.

Original XBOX first release price: $299.99 -retail

Nintendo Wii release price: <$250
-DVD add-on price: $20 = <$270

Again, check the site and Nintendo's home site and read the information on it. Nintendo's biggest selling point for this system is it's ability to use actual motion to help control gameplay. So if you are the type of person who jerks your controller when playing racing games, you might finally be able to avoid that collision you kept having........or fishtail into another car. :/

[yoda313]

Thanks doramius - I didn't know. Though I was half right since its not internal like the others.

[Doramius]

Thanks doramius - I didn't know. Though I was half right since its not internal like the others.

:P

[Super Warrior]

The fact that you mention that it 'shamelessly rips from Sony' puts you in a misunderstanding. All disc-game players have the ability to read a "movie" format.

No. PS2 was the very first game system to play DVDs movies. Later on X-Box ripped this from sony, and now Nintendo is too.

Just like they ripped off the whole dual-shock design. PlayStation was the first to use the now standard dual-analog stick configuration with built-in force vibration, Nintendo and Microsoft then proceeded to rip off this controller design with their systems too.

Then there's the backward compatableity feature among others,etc. But i think thats enough for my point. Yeah believe it or not Nintendo and microsoft have stolen ideas from Sony in the past.

[Doramius]

Sony & Nintendo were joint venture on the Dolphin. That went bust and they went separate ways. PS came up with the PS1 and that is half of what the dolphin was. SNES already had the patent for force vibration. Sony just decided to have 2 dip joysticks. In Reality, SNES had a mountable game pad over the 4-buttonhalf of their joystick. There were some airplane dogfight games that would use this and you fired with the R&L buttons. That idea was out long before the PS1. PS1 just added that idea to their whole controller. They marketed their system after Sony did theirs because they wanted a cartridge system. The PS1 can play a movie format. I think you are mistaking 'Movie format' for 'DVD'. You do not need to play a DVD to have a console play a movie format. PS2 just incorporated the DVD format as a regular part of the system rather than have it separate. THe technology for the compressed disc was already there. You just needed the proper decryption setup in order to play DVD movies. XBOX was the same way, but separately sold the decryption setup & remote, the technology was always there. The Sega Dreamcast and the PS1 would never play a DVD, That part is true. The class laser and the setup just can't read the compressed format. It wasn't meant to because the technology was not available at the time. However, that does not mean it can't read a movie format. People play HomeBrew games on Sega Dreamcasts all the time. Less known is you can just throw a short or low quality movie in it too, IN A SPECIFIC FORMAT. The PS1 can be modded this way too. (don't try it unless you're experienced though).

PS2 didn't rip anything off and neither did anyone else. If anything PS ripped the idea off from Microsoft, because Microsoft was already making games for the PC DVD-ROM, which also happened to play movies. :/ Sony just incorporated it into a console.

So who stole what from who? Nobody did. Who ripped what from who? nobody. If someone did, the other gaming companies would have been on top them faster than the media could report about it. The only thing you could constitute as a Rip is if the 360 played Blu-Ray. Sony made the technology. They created the format. They license the production of the discs for it.

As for Backwards Compatibility. Nintendo had that LOOOng before, as well as Atari years before that. In your timeframes I think you forget a lot of Nintendo's releases were out before being sold in the US, under the Famicom name.

[yoda313]

Just like they ripped off the whole dual-shock design. PlayStation was the first to use the now standard dual-analog stick configuration with built-in force vibration, Nintendo and Microsoft then proceeded to rip off this controller design with their systems too.

Well didn't sony just rip off the N64? The N64 was the first to use an analog joystick in combo with a standard controller. AND it had the RUMBLE pack too. So I think nintendo was ahead of a lot them.

[Doramius]

Yes, Nintento was ahead of a lot of them with the N64.


@Yoda313 = FYI - your quote is actually from Super Warrior.

[yoda313]

actually my quote was from both of you - you were quoting superwarrior but I didn't put in the spaces

[Super Warrior]

Yeah Nintendo was the first with analog stick and rumble, but look what they did with it? The lame-o, single stick, "Claw" N64 controller design. And the rumble you had to buy separete.

Sony however took the idea and brought it further than nintendo ever did, executing it to perfection with the Dual-shock controller design w/built in rumble.

Afterwards the overall PS2 Dual-Shock gamepad design became the gaming standard. Which nintendo & microsoft proceeded to ripp off, as their controllers were just modified PS2 dual-shocks.

Sony came out with the dual-shock design, now everybody wants dual-shock. Sony came out with true backward compatableity, now everyone has to have that,etc.

So yeah my original point stands clear- the other companys have ripped off stuff from Sony too in the past. The whole "stolen ideas" thing was never 1-sided, except for fanboys in denial.

[Doramius]

I don't think you even know what you're talking about. But if you don't want to read physical facts and make assumptions on your own, then I'm sure you're content with the logic you're forming on your own.