If you go for a store-boughten PC, the HD will be pretty full of pretty useless crap...
just for fun, what free programs should be on an all-purpose machine?
I think there should be two or three 'levels', mebbe different desktops, from 'incompetent' to 'guru' that can be accessed when the user is ready...
my short list, not complete- just off the top, a few programs I can rely on, fairly sure they are all one-interface-cross-platform too:
AVG antivirus
Open Office for Windows
Audacity Audio Editor
GIMP for Windows
Firefox with the IE extension
Opera
Thunderbird & Sunbird
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	WS_FTP isnt free "Each problem that I solved became a rule which served afterwards to solve other problems." - Rene Descartes (1596-1650)
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	Freewares and sharewares: 
 
 SYSTEM/INTERNET SECURITY:
 AVG Free Anti-Virus
 Spybot & Teatimer
 Kerio Firewall
 Ad-Aware
 SpamBayes
 HOSTS Secure
 
 INTERNET:
 Firefox with AdBlock and IEtab
 Weatherbug
 CoreFTP
 www.atspace.com link (free ad-free webspace)
 
 GAMES:
 http://www.tucows.com/Windows/Games and grab some freeware
 card games, puzzles, arcade and board games ... about 25 games would be good
 
 OTHER USEFUL TOOLS:
 WinRAR
 ISOBuster
 RestoreDesktop
 
 OFFICE:
 OpenOffice for Windows
 Serif PhotoPlus (GIMP for Windows sucks and is unstable as can be)
 Nikon View
 go online and search google for "free fonts" and pick out about 100 good fonts
 
 VIDEO:
 WinDV
 AviScreen Classic
 RealMedia and Quicktime Alternatives
 TMPGEnc
 Avid Free DV
 Media Player Classic
 DVDAuthor with GUI
 MPEG2 freeware codecs
 AVISynth 2.5
 VideoLAN VLC Media Player
 VirtualDub
 DVD Decrypter and ImgBurn
 DVD Shrink
 XVID Codec
 
 AUDIO:
 Besweet and/or FFMPEG
 AudacityWant my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
 FAQs: Best Blank Discs • Best TBCs • Best VCRs for capture • Restore VHS
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	Lots! 
 
 7Zip
 Amaya
 Audacity
 AVICodec
 Avidemux
 AviSynth
 Blender
 CDex
 Clamwin Antivirus
 CDRTFE
 DVDAuthorGUI
 DVDStyler
 FFDShow
 Firefox
 FreePops
 GAIM
 Gimp (With Batch Plug-In & De-Weirdifyer Plug-In)
 GPL MPEG 1-2 Decoder
 Jahshaka
 Lagarith Codec
 LAME
 Media Player Classic
 NVU
 Open Office
 OpenVPN
 QuEnc
 Stellarium
 TightVNC
 True Downloader
 VirtualDubMod
 Xvid
 
 I think all of these are open source so you could actually bundle them!
 
 Later!
 
 RogThere are many ways to measure success. You just have to find your own yardstick.
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	Just subscribing to the thread. 
 
 This will be very interesting and informative.
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	RowMan, 
 
 If you look below the quick reply box, there's a small hyperlink that says "Watch this topic for replies". That will subscribe you without the need to make a post. 
 
 Cobra
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	Thanks, Cobra. 
 
 I didn't notice that was there.
 
 
 We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming...
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	Infranview has come along quite nicely over the years even if I still prefer ACDSee Classic. 
 
 Instead of gimp I'd likely go with Paint.net.
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	OK! anybody smart enough to organize these into advancing level or specialty desktops? getting the urge to actually do this machine? 
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	Couple more for you (just google the name to get the websites) 
 This is my basic package on new installs, some/most have already been listed above
 
 Fox it PDF Reader (not Adobe)
 
 Jet Audio (better sound quality and video playback than Winamp, album management not as good though)
 
 Xvid Codec (not Divx)
 
 Both Real and Quicktime Altern.
 
 ExtractNow
 
 Paint.NET
 
 Picasa
 
 Google Earth
 
 Google Toolbar (IE and Firefox)
 
 FireFox/Thunder Bird
 
 Open Office
 
 Avery Design Pro
 
 Avast Antivirus
 
 Jordains Game
 
 LavaSoft AdAware
 
 For Burning, I always buy new DVDR/CDR drives with Nero OEM.
 
 You want to keep it simple. If you have 3 web browsers (Opera, FireFox, IE) new users will get confused, experienced users can just install it themselves.
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	Might as well add these to the list. 
 
 Deep Burner - for burning data CDs, DVDs
 
 InfraRecorder - for burning audio and data CDs, DVDs, copying audio and data CDs and data DVDs. I just discovered this one, but it looks like it might replace Deep Burner for me.
 
 Exact Audio Copy - Ripping audio CDs
 
 Mp3Tag - Editing and managing mp3 tags
 
 FLAC codec
 
 Foobar2000 - audio player
 
 EditPlus (shareware) - advanced text editor
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	Firefox, MediaPlayre Classic, & Ad-Aware. 
 That's all."To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism; to steal from many is research." - Steven Wright
 "Megalomaniacal, and harder than the rest!"
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	Firefox...with this link at the TOP of the favorites list:Originally Posted by ahhaa
 http://www.merriam-webster.com/
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	Originally Posted by hech54 
 
 Daemon ToolsNothing can stop me now, 'cause I don't care anymore.
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	Gee, people... not everyone needs even 1/10th of what youre suggesting here! 
 Why pollute *any* PC with any freeware/shareware stuff... if its free, it is available on the web, isn't it? And don't tell me there are many people who still use dial-up and wouldn't be able to download any of it...
 PCs should come *blank*, not even operating system should be pre-loaded - thats my opinion.
 Let people decide do they want to pay extra $100 for Windows, or $5 for a hardcopy of linux of their choice. (or more if they opt for say Suse instead of Ubuntu or Slack etc)
 If a buyer is a complete noob to computers, salesperson would suggest him to get probably Windows anyways... and in such case he wouldn't need ANY of the programs you guys listed anyways At least not for next few months (or years) At least not for next few months (or years)  
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	I work with computers, and not a day goes by that I don't discover some "new" tools that's been around for years already. It's not about the ability to have them for free, but rather to know they exist at all. Pre-load the system, and no problems.Originally Posted by DereX888Want my help? Ask here! (not via PM!)
 FAQs: Best Blank Discs • Best TBCs • Best VCRs for capture • Restore VHS
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	My choice would be none at all. Since their free i could download what I want when I want it. This way i wouldn't have to uninstall the crap i didn't want. 
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	7-Zip 
 
 Firefox - Paste and Go Plugin
 
 Foobar 2000
 
 Rdilly Reg Backup
 
 Videolan VLC
 
 xpy
 
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 What I'd Remove
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 Iexplore
 
 Outlook Express
 
 WMP
 
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 Software I'd Block Installation for
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 RealPlayer
 
 AIM
 
 Yahoo Anything
 
 Google Desktop
 
 McAfee Anything
 
 Symantec Anything
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	star office (open office) 
 
 dvd shrink
 
 dvd decrypter
 
 rip it 4 me (for the new dvds ) )
 
 firefox (although I still use ie mostly)
 
 audacity
 
 vlc
 
 mediaplayerclassic
 
 
 
 That's pretty much what I would say would be must have freebies - (the basics at least)
 
 Oh yeah and the freebie trialware of winzip or any other zip clone and of coures adobe! and of coures adobe! Donatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw? Donatello - The Shredder? Michelangelo - Maybe all that hardware is for making coleslaw?
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	Tweak UI 
 Foxit Reader
 IsoBuster
 WinRAR
 SuperAntiSpyware
 Avast free anti-virus
 ZoneAlarm Firewall
 CCleaner
 Quicktime Player
 Media Player Classic
 Audacity
 Burnatonce
 Nero CD-DVD Speed
 
 Video:
 IfoEdit
 TMPGEnc(MPEG-2 isn't free)
 WME
 DVDDecrypter
 DVDShrink
 ImgBurn
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	A default link to Videohelp.com Recommends: Kiva.org - Loans that change lives.
 http://www.kiva.org/about
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	Adobe what? Flash Player, PDF Reader, or something else?Originally Posted by yoda313
 
 
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	Originally Posted by dphirschler
 PDF is the most stupid format ever to appear.
 To see i.e. an invoice, that the webstores so eagerly send in this format, which would take maybe 1 kilobyte in plain text at most, you have to install 30 megabyte (or maybe more now) "pdf reader" and deal with multi-kilobyte "pdf" files LOL
 Thats a beautiful logic LOL
 Not to mention dreadful pictures in the pdf, arrrrgh...
 There are very very few common uses of crappy PDF for a 'normal' user.
 Thats the LAST thing I would include in any system.
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	Whether you like PDFs or not, you need to read them at times.  Dump the bloatware of Adobe reader and try the freeware version of Foxit PDF reader: http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php Dump the bloatware of Adobe reader and try the freeware version of Foxit PDF reader: http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
 
 And you also won't have those annoying pop ups from Adobe that tells you a PDF you've had for ten years should have the latest version of reader just to open it. 
 
 EDIT: And my list of the freeware (Or some shareware) programs I use the most:
 
 INTERNET:
 
 Firefox
 For IE, IESspell checker. http://www.iespell.com/
 
 SECURITY:
 
 Avg Antivirus http://free.grisoft.com/freeweb.php/doc/2/
 Spybot S&D http://www.safer-networking.org/
 Spyware Blaster http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/spywareblaster.html
 
 AUDIO:
 
 Audacity
 AC3 ACM Decompressor
 Lame MP3
 ffmpeggui
 
 VIDEO:
 
 VirtualDub Mod
 Gspot
 Xvid Codec
 FairUse Wizard (celtric_druid version) http://mirror.brokenlogic.net/fu2.6-setup.exe
 AutoGK
 HuffyUV
 ffdshow
 Dscaler MPEG Filters
 VOB2MPG
 DVDFab Decrypter
 DVD Decrypter
 ImgBurn
 RipIt4Me
 DVD Shrink
 Super
 DivxToDVD
 AviSynth
 Daemon Tools
 TMPGEnc encoder (Free for MPEG1)
 GUI for DVDauthor
 Cuttermaran
 
 GRAPHICS:
 
 IrfanView grapics viewer http://www.irfanview.com/
 DCE Autoenhance http://www.mediachance.com/dce/index.html
 
 VIDEO PLAYBACK:
 
 VLC Media Player
 GOM Player
 Real Alternative
 Quicktime Alternative
 
 UTILITIES:
 
 Open Office (Word processor with 'Office' emulation) http://www.openoffice.org/
 foxit (PDF reader) http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php
 FileMerger (To join many file types) http://home.planet.nl/~doesw008/filemerger.html
 Unlocker (To delete or rename stuck files) http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/
 7-Zip (Unzip, UnRar and more) http://www.7-zip.org/
 FolderSize (Shows folder sizes in the folder windows) http://foldersize.sourceforge.net/
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	The idea is to provide a delivery format that the normal user can't edit such as a plain text file. There's certainly other uses such as manuals and publications that are going to contain many sources for material all wrapped up into a single file.Originally Posted by DereX888
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