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[lordsmurf]

That's not really true either. I picked up about 20 discs for $2 each on clearance last year at Blockbuster. No cases. The disc came pressed against a piece of BB cardboard wrapped in palstic. Replacement covers came in quite handy for several or them, ones I wanted in cases (stuffed the rest in a wallet).

There is a large "used" market out there for CDs and DVDs.

[terryj]

Yes, so much so that a former Retail shop owner closed his retail
outlet down, and has now begun a USED DVD warehouse/outlet
in Carrollton Texas I had read.

Very soon there will be enough of a convergenace where
the studios will be offering new product at too high a price in
too many formats, and I then see the DVD Used market blowing wide and far.
Right now you have too many "Blockbuster" priced outlets like
gamestop and its ilk trying to sell too close to new prices.

Look for Movie Gallery to be one of the leaders in this: in the last
two quarters, rental revenue has been a 1/3rd of what it was,
but their used/PVT DVD sales have doubled.
Combine that with their acquistion of Hollywood Video,
and that leaves a large backstock that needs to be moved.
It wouldn't suprise me if they started to convert stores over
to just Used DVD sales only, rather than shutter and consildate.

[Supreme2k]

The disc came pressed against a piece of BB cardboard wrapped in palstic. Replacement covers came in quite handy for several or them, ones I wanted in cases (stuffed the rest in a wallet).

There is a large "used" market out there for CDs and DVDs.

While it may seem like a legit use, it is still copyright infringement. You could get replacement sleeves directly from the manufacturing company for a nominal fee.

Remember, I'm not talking about custom covers, but scanned, original covers/sleeves/etc.

It's the same as buying a software/music CD and then breaking or losing it. You're not entitled to download it for free after that. Or if you buy a used CD and it skips on one song. You're not entitled to download that one free either (plus, most used places have an "As Is-No Returns" policy).

Like in the good ol' Napster days: I knew I was getting free music when I should have been paying for it. I did it knowingly and willingly. Of course, once the novelty wore off (even before Napster shut down), I went back to buying used CDs. These sites are the same. Just like head shops that sell drug paraphernalia, I'm sure there are legit uses for it, but I haven't come across those cases yet.

[SCDVD]

There are many reasons to legitimately print a DVD cover. These include the need to replace one that you own that somehow gets damaged. Another is the reason Lord Smurf gave where he bought some used DVDs at Blockbuster without cases or covers. Another is a deal like Kelloggs ceral is running right now. If you send in five coupons from one of their cereal brands, you can get your choice of a DVD movie from a list they have available. It comes without a case or cover.

If we don't allow or frown on things because people might do something wrong, perhaps we should not allow alcohol to be sold because someone might get drunk. Or maybe we should ban sports cars because someone might drive too fast. This "banned" list could get very long after every self annointed do-gooder adds their things to ban to the list.

This tendency to ban and restrict everything because of possible abuses can get out of hand if we don't apply some common sense.

[Noahtuck]

While it may seem like a legit use, it is still copyright infringement. You could get replacement sleeves directly from the manufacturing company for a nominal fee.

And this nominal fee would be ??
I Wonder how easy and how long it would take to get these originals for this "Nominal fee" Because i have yet to have seen where or how i could do this, I'M NOT saying you can't, just that i have never come across it.

Remember, I'm not talking about custom covers, but scanned, original covers/sleeves/etc.

And the difference between the two would be ??
Because if it's copyright infringement to scan and give the original cover away then i would think it would be copyright infringement to use any charecters, photos, likenesses, logo's ect. for a custom cover also 8)

[ntscuser]

Speaking as a dealer, I've found it much harder to get replacement covers than replacement discs!

[Supreme2k]

There are many reasons to legitimately print a DVD cover. These include the need to replace one that you own that somehow gets damaged.

I already addressed that. Scan it yourself if you're accident-prone. The intarweb is not an insurance policy.

Another is the reason Lord Smurf gave where he bought some used DVDs at Blockbuster without cases or covers.
Another is a deal like Kelloggs ceral is running right now. If you send in five coupons from one of their cereal brands, you can get your choice of a DVD movie from a list they have available. It comes without a case or cover.

Those are both examples of "You get what you pay for". You know before making the purchase that it will be incomplete (or at least less complete). If you buy a used CD that normally came as a double, but the 2nd disc was missing (hence the low sale price), does that entitle you to download the 2nd disc for free?

If we don't allow or frown on things because people might do something wrong, perhaps we should not allow alcohol to be sold because someone might get drunk. Or maybe we should ban sports cars because someone might drive too fast. This "banned" list could get very long after every self annointed do-gooder adds their things to ban to the list.

In that case, that is why people can't re-sell (stolen) booze out of the trunk of their car without a license. The copyright is somewhat like the drinking age (21 in CA) which makes it legal only for those authorized to use the item. With sports cars, that's why the police give you tickets or put you in jail. Copyright infringement can't be easily translated into the physical world (alcohol, fast cars).

This tendency to ban and restrict everything because of possible abuses can get out of hand if we don't apply some common sense.

But there are proper channels to go through to obtain these things legally. It's not about randomly banning stuff. It's about owing up to the fact that this activity is already illegal, and made even moreso (if that's possible) by piracy.

And this nominal fee would be ??
I Wonder how easy and how long it would take to get these originals for this "Nominal fee" Because i have yet to have seen where or how i could do this, I'M NOT saying you can't, just that i have never come across it.

But have you even tried?
I've ordered a replacement manual (with codes) for my universal remote, $3 w/ shipping. It's not that hard. All of the info is usually on the manufacturer's/distributor's site.

And the difference between the two would be ??
Because if it's copyright infringement to scan and give the original cover away then i would think it would be copyright infringement to use any charecters, photos, likenesses, logo's ect. for a custom cover also 8)

I originally had "(though it is still infringement)", but I don't know where it went
On the other hand, since it is a new work, the copyright infringement isn't as harsh, since you aren't using an exact relica and there is (probably) less infringing material.

Speaking as a dealer, I've found it much harder to get replacement covers than replacement discs!

Dealer?
Drugs? Used cars?
Speaking not as a dealer, it is not much harder (barring outright re-purchasing).


I understand that these are small transgressions, but they are still illegal.
Will it kill anyone? No.
But let's not sugar-coat it. You "legit" users are in the micro-minority. Just call it like it is: piracy assistance. You've been given a few concrete pictorial examples in this very thread. It's harder to argue medicinal use of pot when a bunch of frat boys are hitting the bong and dialing up the nearest pizza joint.

You want to know why these places are getting shut down (besides the bandwidth costs of leechers :P )? It's because they are hosting unauthorized copyrighted materials and are infringing on those copyrights.

[SCDVD]

Supreme2K, I think the thing that I would fear most is to find myself in a place where some grand-seeing "overlord" decides what is right and wrong - terrifying thought! That is THE reason that we have juries in this country to play a vital role in the trying of someone accused of a crime. There MUST be an overarching role of common sense applied. Juries consider ALL factors that bear on the case before them. Their decisions might cause every attorney in the country to break down in hyperventilation and have a nervous breakdown because a decision was made on ALL considerations in the matter before them some of which are more complex than law alone can convey.

There must be commonsense judgment applied in these things. Let's use a progressive example. Let's say that you have a two-year-old daughter that gets a hold of a DVD that you just purchased and puts a two-inch tear in the cover. Would it be OK to repair it with cellophane tape? Yes? OK. What if it's a four-inch tear? What if it is torn in half? OK so far with the tape? Well then, what if she throws it in the toilet? Do you mean to tell me the copyright holder wants to clip you for some money in this situation? Give me a break! What if the copyright holder had a statement on the cover something like this, "This DVD cover remains the property of the copyright holder and is only licensed for use to the licensee. No unauthorized repair with cellophane tape or any other bonding agent is allowed." Would you then not apply the cellophane tape to the cover that your two-year-old daughter tore?

I am against taking of intellectual property. Downloading movies via bit torrent for example is wrong; it's stealing. But there are common sense considerations that constrain how far a copyright holder can go to own your soul. As I said before, sometimes it takes a jury to assure that sanity and fair intent prevail. It certainly is not the role of a self-righteous preacher. Some of these become tyrants who resort to self anointed titles like "Supreme......."

[Supreme2k]

Just a couple of things:

1. Stop blaming your* crimes on your kids. If your kids are going to destroy your DVDs, lock them up (the DVDs, not the kids).
2. If your kid tears, burns or stains their clothing, are you entitled to get free replacements? Or if your kid breaks your DVD/CD, are you entitled to download them for free? It's called taking care of your stuff.

The whole jury thing is not a very good argument. The law is pretty clear-cut. They are committing a (civil) crime. It's as clear as someone parking in a red zone. Sure, no one got hurt for those 10 minutes that you parked there, but it's still illegal and you get a ticket. It's not really even a matter of going to a jury trial.


But none of this has to do with the simple fact that the reason these sites exist is because of piracy. The "legit" uses are just a side benefit (like medicinal marijuana).
If someone posts about their 90 rar files that become a divx video that has "tmd" or "cam" in the title, we know it's warez without dancing around the issue. Just as everyone knows that cover sites are 99% catering to piracy.




*meaning the inclusive "your", not you specifically. I see this argument all the time.

[jimmalenko]

Again, this must be a US thing, as there are no free dialup providers in Oz that I'm aware of.

Now you're aware.

Interesting .... capital cities only though

Rules out about 1/2 the population in one swoop.

I for one would not pay $120 a year just to support my $70 software purchase and it's "phone home" schemes though.

But you're not doing that. You should already have an internet connection beforehand for *whatever*, and the software will use that connection.

If you don't have internet but you really want a software product, then that's exactly what you'd have to do.

[Sidewindr]

looks like covers.box.sk is the new home for covers.to.

[jtoolman2000]

Forget all that and just go to http://www.hirescovers.net/gallery/index.php

and signm up for a free account.
Their members are amazing artists. All images are TOP quality.

[corinadeva]

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