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  1. This is the current best price laptop on sunday circular at $748+tax.
    -----Compaq V5120NR --------
    Microprocessor 1.8 GHz AMD Turion™ 64 Mobile Processor ML-32 with PowerNow!™
    Microprocessor Cache 512KB L2 Cache
    Memory 512MB 333MHz DDR System Memory (2 Dimm)
    Video Graphics ATI RADEON® XPRESS 200M IGP
    Hard Drive 80GB (4200RPM) Hard Drive
    Multimedia Drive DVD±R/RW and CD-RW Combo Drive with Double Layer Support
    Display 15.4” WXGA High-Definition BrightView Widescreen (1280 x 800) Display
    Wireless Connectivity 54g™ 802.11b/g WLAN with 125HSM / SpeedBooster support
    Weight 6.4 lbs 6-Cell Lithium-Ion

    ----Dell M140 at $679, free shipping, no tax -----
    Intel Pentium M Processor 740 (1.73GHz/2MB Cache/533MHz FSB)
    Genuine Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
    14.1 inch WXGA LCD Panel , 1280 x 800
    512MB Shared DDR2 SDRAM 2 Dimms
    Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
    60GB 7200rpm Hard Drive
    Internal 56K Modem and Integrated Network Card
    8xCD/DVD burner(DVD+/-RW)w/dble-layer DVD+R write capability
    Intel PRO 2200 Internal Wireless (802.11 b/g, 54Mbps)
    5.47 lbs, 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery (53 WHr)

    This is why we still buy Dell stuff, and deal with the crap they loaded on the machine, sigh....By the way the crap are known as : Starter Entertainment Pack - Basic digital Music, Photo and Game experience, Corel WordPerfect word processor, America Online Internet Access ...
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    Originally Posted by SingSing
    This is the current best price laptop on sunday circular at $748+tax.
    -----Compaq V5120NR --------
    Microprocessor 1.8 GHz AMD Turion™ 64 Mobile Processor ML-32 with PowerNow!™
    Microprocessor Cache 512KB L2 Cache
    Memory 512MB 333MHz DDR System Memory (2 Dimm)
    Video Graphics ATI RADEON® XPRESS 200M IGP
    Hard Drive 80GB (4200RPM) Hard Drive
    Multimedia Drive DVD±R/RW and CD-RW Combo Drive with Double Layer Support
    Display 15.4” WXGA High-Definition BrightView Widescreen (1280 x 800) Display
    Wireless Connectivity 54g™ 802.11b/g WLAN with 125HSM / SpeedBooster support
    Weight 6.4 lbs 6-Cell Lithium-Ion

    ----Dell M140 at $679, free shipping, no tax -----
    Intel Pentium M Processor 740 (1.73GHz/2MB Cache/533MHz FSB)
    Genuine Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
    14.1 inch WXGA LCD Panel
    512MB Shared DDR2 SDRAM 2 Dimms
    Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900
    60GB 7200rpm Hard Drive
    Internal 56K Modem and Integrated Network Card
    8xCD/DVD burner(DVD+/-RW)w/dble-layer DVD+R write capability
    Intel PRO 2200 Internal Wireless (802.11 b/g, 54Mbps)
    6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery (53 WHr)

    This is why we still buy Dell stuff, and deal with the crap they loaded on the machine, sigh....
    Some people don't know how to deal with the crap on a dell machine. I worked on a dell pc yesterday that had so much AOL crap plus the programs that were installed by the owner. The mferrr took forever to load before I could even format the new seagate hard drive I installed. It had many problems such as windows registry errors & spyware which I didn't even dare to deal with. I left things as is and now the owner of the pc is asking me what the hell is wrong with their pc. I told them it's a dell! But needless to say in this case it is user error when you have tons of spyware and registry errors. My point is most consumers don't know prebuilt pc's come with so much bloatware. I recommend buying dells if they're only going to surf the net and emails. Anything more than that I suggest a custom built pc.
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  3. You have to agree that a clean install home brew PC is better then a factory shipped Dell anytime.

    The 7200rpm harddisk in that Dell M140 itself is a $100 value. I just clean up another one today, and pull my hair, to make it work with wireless/WEP security. So the owner of that M140, took my family and me to a nice resturant for dinner, what a living.

    So that owner know the only way to deal with the crap : call a friend.
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    Originally Posted by Pixel Land
    2. Google Toolbar (spyware, imho)
    The Google toolbar communicates with the Google servers to give you page ranking, it's the only way as it has to know what page you are looking at. It's a tool most webmasters use frequently to gauge their pages and others to see what Google thinks about it. When you install the toolbar it specifically asks you if you if want this feature enabled. Once enabled it can be disabled from the options menu. Depending on your definition of spyware I guess it can be labeled that but only if you want it to be. Don't know what the default install on a dell is.
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    This is why I build my own machine and buy a retail copy of Windows.

    However, When I install an OEM software on a machine, I make sure to uncheck the loading of such programs, first off. I always do custom loads of software. After the OS is installed I go and remove the folders, shortcuts, and other areas these unloaded programs reside along with other s**t that's not needed. Then I install my own copy of antivirus and and adware removal tool. Funny thing is when I run them the machine has adware even when I hadn't connected to the internet during the entire install. After that, I start installing the rest of my programs. Takes me a while, but I rarely have to go back and work on that machine again.
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    I bought a new Dell Inspiron b120 laptop a few months ago and love it, but yeah it did come with quite alot of crap-ware pre-installed that i had no interest in.

    No biggie really though. It only took about 10 minutes to remove the junk at the most, then its gone.

    As the the WinXP CD i didn't get one with mine either. Although my laptop and other recent Pcs i guess, come with "Dell Pc Restore". Which i'm pretty sure is this: There are two partitions on my Hard drive. One of them is hidden and contains a fresh WinXP install, while the other partition is the rest of the HDD. When Pc restore is done, the main part of the HDD is erased/reformated, and then the contents of the hidden partition with the fresh XP install is copied onto it.

    This makes it just when it was when i bought it, which unfortunitly also includes all the Crap-ware originally installed. But its easy to get rid of. So i guess i don't really need a XP disc whenever i want to reformat.
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    Originally Posted by budz
    Some people don't know how to deal with the crap on a dell machine. I worked on a dell pc yesterday that had so much AOL crap plus the programs that were installed by the owner. The mferrr took forever to load before I could even format the new seagate hard drive I installed. It had many problems such as windows registry errors & spyware which I didn't even dare to deal with. I left things as is and now the owner of the pc is asking me what the hell is wrong with their pc. I told them it's a dell! But needless to say in this case it is user error when you have tons of spyware and registry errors. My point is most consumers don't know prebuilt pc's come with so much bloatware. I recommend buying dells if they're only going to surf the net and emails. Anything more than that I suggest a custom built pc.
    Its not the fault of Dell at all, in those cases its the fault of the owner and not knowing how to properly maintain a comp. That person probabley has no concept of how Ram/Memory works, and has a ton of their own crap on top of the pre-installed Dell bloatware, consuming all the ram space.

    Also you don't sound all the intelligent either if the best explanation you can give them for why the comp is screwed up is that: "Its a dell! LOLORZ".

    Regardless of Brand name most comps work/function the SAME, and if a person does not know how to properly maintain it they will begin to perform like crap before long. Even if its a "custom-built" Pc as you say...

    By the way whos comp did you work on exactly? Do you work in a Pc shop or something? In that case i can see why you'd want to keep your customers stupid so they'll keep coming back to you.
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    Originally Posted by [url=https://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=SUPER_1
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    Originally Posted by budz
    Some people don't know how to deal with the crap on a dell machine. I worked on a dell pc yesterday that had so much AOL crap plus the programs that were installed by the owner. The mferrr took forever to load before I could even format the new seagate hard drive I installed. It had many problems such as windows registry errors & spyware which I didn't even dare to deal with. I left things as is and now the owner of the pc is asking me what the hell is wrong with their pc. I told them it's a dell! But needless to say in this case it is user error when you have tons of spyware and registry errors. My point is most consumers don't know prebuilt pc's come with so much bloatware. I recommend buying dells if they're only going to surf the net and emails. Anything more than that I suggest a custom built pc.
    Its not the fault of Dell at all, in those cases its the fault of the owner and not knowing how to properly maintain a comp. That person probabley has no concept of how Ram/Memory works, and has a ton of their own crap on top of the pre-installed Dell bloatware, consuming all the ram space.

    Also you don't sound all the intelligent either if the best explanation you can give them for why the comp is screwed up is that: "Its a dell! LOLORZ".

    Regardless of Brand name most comps work/function the SAME, and if a person does not know how to properly maintain it they will begin to perform like crap before long. Even if its a "custom-built" Pc as you say...

    By the way whos comp did you work on exactly? Do you work in a Pc shop or something? In that case i can see why you'd want to keep your customers stupid so they'll keep coming back to you.
    Look who's intelligent oops it sure isn't you.....stick to the topic of this thread...if you don't like my comments.....don't come into this forum.....easy as that.....get a mferrr grip and get over yourself..... :P I work for no pc shop.......I fix/build pc's for my relatives and friends because it's a hobby.......what's your excuse???? :P
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    Originally Posted by budz
    Look who's intelligent oops it sure isn't you.....stick to the topic of this thread...if you don't like my comments.....don't come into this forum.....easy as that.....get a mferrr grip and get over yourself..... :P I work for no pc shop.......I fix/build pc's for my relatives and friends because it's a hobby.......what's your excuse???? :P
    I have nothing to excuse.

    And i've worked on PCs for relatives too, but unlike you i actually bothered to try and explain to them WHY their Pc was giving them problems and HOW they could avoid that. I didn't just say to them: "Duh its a dell" or "Duh its a Gateway" etc.

    Moron. I'd bet your the type that also recommends to others that they upgrade their ram to something like 2GBs, when actually they could easily run their setup just fine with the 256-512MBs they currently have, if someone bothered to tell them HOW to maintain their comp properly.

    So whats your excuse now? That you don't give a damn enough to tell them this information? Then i guess that makes you an ass then. Or wait, maybe your excuse is that you just don't know? Well i guess that makes you an idiot instead.

    Either way, one thing is for sure- Only a complete idiot who knows nothing would ever tell someone else the reason for their system not working properly is that: Its a *Insert-brand name* Pc.

    Sorry i'm not upset but reading posts like yours reeking of ignorance, just annoys me is all.
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    Originally Posted by [url=https://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=SUPER_1
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    Originally Posted by budz
    Look who's intelligent oops it sure isn't you.....stick to the topic of this thread...if you don't like my comments.....don't come into this forum.....easy as that.....get a mferrr grip and get over yourself..... :P I work for no pc shop.......I fix/build pc's for my relatives and friends because it's a hobby.......what's your excuse???? :P
    I have nothing to excuse.

    And i've worked on PCs for relatives too, but unlike you i actually bothered to try and explain to them WHY their Pc was giving them problems and HOW they could avoid that. I didn't just say to them: "Duh its a dell" or "Duh its a Gateway" etc.

    Moron. I'd bet your the type that also recommends to others that they upgrade their ram to something like 2GBs, when actually they could easily run their setup just fine with the 256-512MBs they currently have, if someone bothered to tell them HOW to maintain their comp properly.

    So whats your excuse now? That you don't give a damn enough to tell them this information? Then i guess that makes you an ass then. Or wait, maybe your excuse is that you just don't know? Well i guess that makes you an idiot instead.

    Either way, one thing is for sure- Only a complete idiot who knows nothing would ever tell someone else the reason for their system not working properly is that: Its a *Insert-brand name* Pc.

    Sorry i'm not upset but reading posts like yours reeking of ignorance, just annoys me is all.
    Don't make mfer assumptions.....but I will say this much I don't go around telling people their pc problems are because they have dell pc's......you're obviously a fucken moron to question anyone in this forum site....go ahead moderators give me a warning.......I'm sure taking personal shots at other members are not tolerated here.......super warrior I won't sink down to your idiotic level of intelligence..... I'm sure you're comments you've made here are helpful in this thread....NOT! Get a mfer grip! :P
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    Originally Posted by budz
    but I will say this much I don't go around telling people their pc problems are because they have dell pc's
    Originally Posted by budz
    I left things as is and now the owner of the pc is asking me what the hell is wrong with their pc. I told them it's a dell!
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    After reading this thread, I am hoping to not offend by asking a question.
    Is there a successful way of backing up drivers etc to make the reinstall (clean) of a OS easy?
    By which I mean not needing to find all the extra driver CDs supplied with hardware?
    Then use this backup to reload the drivers required or asked for during the install process.
    Thanks in advance.
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    Norton Ghost or Acronis TrueImage.


    Basically you get your PC to a point where you would like it to "roll back" to (with all drivers and frequently used programs installed), then take an image (or a "snapshot") of the drive. Then when you want to reinstall, you get a clean install with all the drivers and everything already installed.
    If in doubt, Google it.
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    Originally Posted by [url=https://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=SUPER_1
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    Originally Posted by budz
    but I will say this much I don't go around telling people their pc problems are because they have dell pc's
    Originally Posted by budz
    I left things as is and now the owner of the pc is asking me what the hell is wrong with their pc. I told them it's a dell!

    He's got you on that one Budz.

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    You know a family member asked me what PC to get so I made about 3 different suggestions one of which was "let me build you one" Like 75% of the time I'm not listened to and they got a Dell because "its SO cheap".

    When I found out what they had ordered I suggested they at least bring it to me first to reformat, uninstall crap, give some sort of protection to. Nope, don't have time.

    A few months later they are having problems and you know what I told them? "DUUUUDE, you got a Dell."



    Now everyone in this thread chillout and take a few deep breaths.
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    Originally Posted by Faustus
    You know a family member asked me what PC to get so I made about 3 different suggestions one of which was "let me build you one" Like 75% of the time I'm not listened to and they got a Dell because "its SO cheap".
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    Isn't that the truth though? Just like my brother, I set him up with a decent machine and his wife went and installed all this crapware like incredimail. Next thing you know the thing is at a crawl and he's bitching about the machine and I quote "This thing is junk, Joe's $400 dollar machine works faster than this...."

    No shit, Joe didn't install a bunch of crapware either. At the time he purchased this computer 2-3 years prior to the release of Doom3 and after I cleaned it out it was able to play it on the lowest settings. 8) ... Joe's new machine 2 years newer of course could not. :P
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  17. like i said quite some time back, if you kill all this stuff from startup, that will speed things up...of course, removing it is better since you will regain a little bit of harddrive space, too....but personally, if i get someone who wants me to help them with their computer, i just leave the stuff installed unless they specifically tell me to remove it, that way "in case" they do ever decide they want to use it, it's there...and if not, for the most part, they wont know the differance anyhow......and if a program's not started, then it's not chewing up memory or anything else (other than the few mb of harddrive space.......heck even if say a dell comes with 20gb of crap, and a 250gb harddrive, you turn off all the crap, they still got over 200gb to play with.....more than most average joe schmoe's will ever reasonably be able to fill.
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    Originally Posted by levick
    After reading this thread, I am hoping to not offend by asking a question.
    Is there a successful way of backing up drivers etc to make the reinstall (clean) of a OS easy?
    By which I mean not needing to find all the extra driver CDs supplied with hardware?
    Then use this backup to reload the drivers required or asked for during the install process.
    Thanks in advance.
    You should be able to simply locate the drivers for your comp on the net somewhere and burn them to a disc. Thats what i did with my Dell laptop. Although the drivers for my particular comp are all on the "Dell Pc Restore" i mentioned earlier as well. So unless my HDD dies one day, i won't need the drivers backup disc i made. But i have it just in case.
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    Out of the dell's we have dealt with , the dvd playback , burning software were included on the reinstallation cd within their own folder .

    Same with the compaq's , include in the restore partition .

    It is advisable to question this at the time of purchase otherwise you will need to purchase these as independant package's .

    Most user's not only find this annoying , but reside themselve's as having wasted the money on the purchase of such pc package's .

    The biggest issue is "what is oem" , as most new pc owner's dont understand this ... or better yet , are just not told what their actual entitlement's are ... this render's the pc as an "unsaleable item" under current law's in au .
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  20. Originally Posted by jimmalenko
    Norton Ghost or Acronis TrueImage.
    Basically you get your PC to a point where you would like it to "roll back" to (with all drivers and frequently used programs installed), then take an image (or a "snapshot") of the drive. Then when you want to reinstall, you get a clean install with all the drivers and everything already installed.
    Expect driver, I found there are often XP patches in Dell and Compaq PC, how are we going to re-install those ?

    Another post suggest take the crappy applications out from start up, but they still get to load, and take up memory space. These two actually are two of the major issues.
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  21. Originally Posted by Bjs
    Most user's not only find this annoying , but reside themselve's as having wasted the money on the purchase of such pc package's .
    It is more than annoying, because these stuff take a long time to load from power up. When you want to run your application, they need to be swap up to make RAM space ( most laptop come with only 512MB RAM ).
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    Originally Posted by SingSing
    Expect driver, I found there are often XP patches in Dell and Compaq PC, how are we going to re-install those ?

    Another post suggest take them out from start up, but they still get to load, and take up memory space. These two actually are two of the major issues.
    Wow...I wish either you or anyone else knew WTF you were talking about?
    You have been proven wrong at least twice in this thread alone:

    https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1502111#1502111

    https://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?p=1502608#1502608

    And you keep coming back with the same nonsense.
    Maybe you can explain to all of us how a program installed
    on the hard drive but not open(running) can take up memory space?
    You work on/repair computers for friends?
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    Originally Posted by SingSing
    Originally Posted by jimmalenko
    Norton Ghost or Acronis TrueImage.
    Basically you get your PC to a point where you would like it to "roll back" to (with all drivers and frequently used programs installed), then take an image (or a "snapshot") of the drive. Then when you want to reinstall, you get a clean install with all the drivers and everything already installed.
    Expect driver, I found there are often XP patches in Dell and Compaq PC, how are we going to re-install those ?

    Another post suggest take them out from start up, but they still get to load, and take up memory space. These two actually are two of the major issues.
    "Get your PC to a point where you would like it to 'roll back' to"

    Isn't that pretty self-explanatory ?

    If you WANT windows updates installed, install them, THEN ghost. Alternatively, uninstall any crap you don't want restored (like Norton or McAfee or whatever) and THEN ghost.

    There will always be the caveat that any new software updates that have come out since you ghosted will not be included, unless you create a new ghost image after installing them. But in all honesty, the time to run through Windows Update is miniscule in comparison to having to reinstall and reformat absolutely everything.


    @hech:
    I see a number of people in this thread having experienced first-hand (including myself) the garbage loaded up on some Dells ... some people who are just piling on because they have a Anti-Nero / Internet Explorer / Microsoft fetish and Dell is the flavour of the week, and yourself, who seems to be the only one who has a Dell and DIDN't get all the crap pre-loaded.

    Of course, it is not correct to generalise and say that they ALL have it .... maybe Dell Germany or wherever you purchased yours doesn't enforce the "preload crapware" policy or something. But please don't ridicule those who are speaking from experience by grouping us with those who are talking out their ass
    If in doubt, Google it.
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    You know how they can sell a laptop so cheaply?
    All the bundled software providers are paying dell thru the nose to
    stick all their bloated crapware on your machine
    Plus unlike a company like Microsoft or Apple, all dell does R&D on... is how to make a cheaper phillips screw!
    I'll bet with all the adware revenue on a cheap machine, the software monsters are paying to build the laptop
    The $700.00 is pure profit by the time Worperfect Adware Suite 12 is in
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  25. Sigh.. I agreed. Dell found THE WAY to lower their cost, with the appearance of given their customers free software applications ( more like crap ).
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    Originally Posted by jimmalenko
    But please don't ridicule those who are speaking from experience by grouping us with those who are talking out their ass
    Another one who can't read....
    If you are referring to this sentence:
    Wow...I wish either you or anyone else knew WTF you were talking about?
    The "you" in both cases means SingSing.
    Read it again....slowly....mouth it out if you need to....C'mon....you can do it.

    Now...would YOU (Jimmalenko) care to try to explain what SingSing meant by these golden nuggets of wisdom:
    Expect driver, I found there are often XP patches in Dell and Compaq PC, how are we going to re-install those ?
    Another post suggest take them out from start up, but they still get to load, and take up memory space. These two actually are two of the major issues.
    ...because that is what I was referring to when I said:
    Wow...I wish either you or anyone else knew WTF you were talking about?
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  27. Since I was refered to by a person multiple time in this posts, I will summaried in one response.

    In US, Laptops have started to displace Desktop. Laptops are sold with less memory and slow harddrive, compare to a desktop. Dell sold a lot of laptops, and they put all these crap softwares on these laptops, and they do cause pain.

    I got to help "friend" and "friend of friends", with their new laptops. I found they are really bothered by the amount of time, the Dell laptop turn on and load, and wait some more for explorer to load to get to the web. Both are effect of competing with the crap software. It make sense to me when dcsos mentioned Dell get paid for this.

    I told them to close the laptop, instead of power them up and down. Then, I deal with these Dell by removing crap softwares, and application drivers that are not great or needed. These are the issues :

    * Some software will try to reinstall itself and bomb, and cause problem.
    * Dell stop sending recover CD with laptop free, they are only $10, but you have to wait.
    * In control panel-> remove software, I can see there are often XP patches. But I can't install these in a fresh install, because I can't find the package for these XP patches, in the laptop. It is also not a bright idea to install XP SP2.
    * Just like all software, the type and amount of crap on every Dell I saw is different, so a universal script can only expect to go so far.
    * Dell laptop uses intel wireless card, and their setup compete with MS network setup. They are not easy to setup for various wi-fi, cable and dsl equipment.
    *I read and response to this post, because after all, web to me is a great place to swap experince and learn.

    I did bought a Dell laptop for my kid. I know enough to pre-service it, so it was okay. But many friends and friends of freinds ending up have to get my help. I get to go out a bit more, that's a plus.
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    I wonder how much supposed crapware is on this Dell laptop?

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    Originally Posted by hech54
    Originally Posted by jimmalenko
    But please don't ridicule those who are speaking from experience by grouping us with those who are talking out their ass
    Another one who can't read....
    If you are referring to this sentence:
    Wow...I wish either you or anyone else knew WTF you were talking about?
    The "you" in both cases means SingSing.
    Read it again....slowly....mouth it out if you need to....C'mon....you can do it.
    Perhaps you could/should take some of your own advice .... The "you" you've defined, it's the "anyone else" that I was referring to

    Originally Posted by hech54
    Now...would YOU (Jimmalenko) care to try to explain what SingSing meant by these golden nuggets of wisdom:
    Expect driver, I found there are often XP patches in Dell and Compaq PC, how are we going to re-install those ?
    Another post suggest take them out from start up, but they still get to load, and take up memory space. These two actually are two of the major issues.
    ...because that is what I was referring to when I said:
    Wow...I wish either you or anyone else knew WTF you were talking about?
    Nup, they're on their own, there
    If in doubt, Google it.
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    yeah hech you're pretty much just making a jerk of yourself. If you need a definition of "anyone" you can find it at www.dictionary.com.

    You also seem to be in total denial that Dell PC's (along with all the other major brand name computers) come pre-loaded with tons of garbage that slow even the fastest machines down considerably. I spent a good 30 minutes "decrapifying" if you will a friends brand new hot shot dell laptop that took forever to boot up because of all the trash loading at startup. It had 1gb of ram and a 3ghz processor at least and it was choking through the startup. Now it runs like it should. All the and smart comments in the world won't change this fact.
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