Athlon XP or Athlon

[paloloboy]

Ive been searching aroung looking at reviews and such but i haven't seen a review on the athlon xp vs the athlon.at pricewatch the athlon tbird 1.4 ghz is 96 bux and the xp 1700 is 135 and the xp 1600 is 116.which is the best deal?because isnt the xp 1700 1.4 ghz?which is the best performer?thanks

[buzz10]

I have an XP1600, and it is 1.4ghz. Here is a listing of the AMD XP processor speeds (from AMD's website):

AMD Athlon XP 1900+ operates at a frequency of 1.60GHz.
AMD Athlon XP 1800+ operates at a frequency of 1.533GHz.
AMD Athlon XP 1700+ operates at a frequency of 1.47GHz.
AMD Athlon XP 1600+ operates at a frequency of 1.40GHz.
AMD Athlon XP 1500+ operates at a frequency of 1.33GHz.

I don't know for sure what makes the XP series of chips more expensive than the T-bird series, but the XP's are newer, and it's a safe bet to assume the XP's are probably faster (hence, more expensive).

[tort]

The Athlon XP (Palomino) is a quad structure CPU, it requires a different motherboard than the regular Athlon CPU's, and a different chipset.

According to the Athlon people who supposedly appear on that Computer Shopping Program, the Athlon XP was made and is what Windows XP was written for.

The reviews I've seen have it as FASTER processing than the Athlon and the Perntium 4. Although I have been looking at getting the XP 1800, I may wait for the 1900 to drop in price when the 2000 or higher comes out.

They say it has built in Video Compression, so it compresses video FASTER than any other CPU out there, minutes instead of hours... That's the main reason I'm upgrading my Video Production computer to do this, and see if it is FASTER in the rnedering and will make DVDs without the audio/video sync problems.

My Athlon Motherboard will support the 1.4GHz Athlons, but will not handle the XP chips, different chip set, etc..

[Kdiddy]

"The Athlon XP (Palomino) is a quad structure CPU, it requires a different motherboard than the regular Athlon CPU's, and a different chipset."

Wrong. Most newer Tbirds are socket A chips. Putting an XP on a board that wasnt design will yes limit the chip in clock speed, but it will still run.

paloloboy:

Did even go to AMD's homepage?? They an excellent explanation on the differences between their XP/MP chips & Tbird models. Most noticable improvement is support of SSE instruction set.

[speedy]

Check your mobo site to be sure. The XP is socket A, so the chip will fit, may/may not have some problem with the chipset, reason to check the mother board site, and while there see if or not you need a BIOS upgrade. For best performance your FSB (front side bus) should be 266. All in all a good upgrade for a reasonable price. I've seen people in other forums report 20-40% gains in rendering speeds by moving from typical AMD 1,000-1,200 up to the various XP speeds. One warning, the model number on the chip is no longer the rated clock speed. So a 1900 runs 1.6. A little sneaky, but a good marketing ploy.

[buzz10]

Kdidy,

If the XP CPU's have support for SSE intruction set like you say, then how come in my TMPGenc, the SSE and SSE-2 options are greyed out (not recognized). I have an XP1600? I've heard others saying that only the Pentiums use SSE, not the AMD XP's. Can you explain that?

[Kdiddy]

First, read what I typed, I said SSE, NOT SSE2..secondly, that is an error with the latest version of TMPG 2.5, not the chip, version 2.01/2.02 do allow you to check SSE..."I've heard others saying that only the Pentiums use SSE, not the AMD XP's.", then you heard VERY wrong...again, does anybody ever check out the manufacturer's website these days??

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_756_3734^3736,00.html

[Douglesh]

AMD does use SSE, nothing more, or less. As for TBird VS XP? XP is better value per performance, there is a benchmark (a number of them) at toms hardware guide (www6.tomshardwareguide.com). ANYWAY, i would get a tbird, at 1.4ghz, and overclock it, because you cant overclock palomino's (unless you want to risk your chip). It is very easy to get around the multiplier lock on a Tbird, but very HARD on a palomino, anyone who has done it, please tell me

[buzz10]

Kdiddy,

Before you go telling me to "read what I typed", I think you need to re-check what I typed....

Quote - "If the XP CPU's have support for SSE intruction set like you say...."

I never said you mentioned anything about SSE-2, so don't get your underwear all in a wad. Anyway, forget about that.....I did check AMD's website and found them saying "3DNow!™ Professional Technology (72 instructions, full SSE compatibility)", so I guess that's good.

However, here is my real point...I AM running TMPGenc Version 2.02 (NOT version 2.5), and it STILL does not allow the option to check the boxes for SSE and SSE-2 (they are greyed out). So, that must mean that version 2.02 has the same error that you say version 2.5 has. Right?

By the way, my CPU is XP1600+ and motherboard is FIC AD11, both of which are only 3 weeks old. So I tend to think it is a problem with the software.

[Douglesh]

Yes that would be the obvious problem. Is TMPGEnc with SSE on much faster? I wouldnt worry about it, maybe its your board, FIC sux, sorry to tell you

[buzz10]

Douglesh,

I don't know how my FIC AD11 board "sux" as you say, when it has been chosen by AMD as a Recommended Motherboard for their XP CPU's (see AMD website) and it runs on an AMD chipset. Perhaps "sux" needs some clarification?

[Sefy]

Athlon XP is the better CPU, it has several enhancments over the regular Athlon, and you CAN use it on almost any Socket A mainboard with 266mhz bus, all you need is a BIOS update if the manufacturer of your board provides it, if not, the CPU will work, but without the special features (Hardware Prefetch, SSE and others).

buzz10, If you have 98SE and installed AthlonXP, you will HAVE to do a full install of 98 again, as per Microsoft and AMD, Windows98 looks for the SSE while installing, if it does not detect it, it will not install the required enhanced DLL files to support the SEE instruction.

[buzz10]

Sefy,

I am using Windows XP full version.

[Sefy]

As i've said, i'm not sure if it requires a reinstall, although i'm quite sure it shouldn't, there propably is a way to make it enable XP's special features.

I would recommand you try looking on AMD's page or even try in Microsoft homepage.

[Sputnik]

buzz,

i have a athlonXP 1600+ and run tmpgenc on WinXP... all the versions, including the lastest that i am running supported SSE. the benchmarking that i had done, showed that there is approximately a 17% improvement (decrease) in decoding time with the VCD template.

[Sefy]

Sputnik, did you install XP when you already had the CPU, or did you upgrade the CPU after you installed XP ?

[Sputnik]

Sefy,

Current setup... MB+CPU setup, then clean WinXP installation. Note.. that I initially had an older KT133A mb and first ran the XP 1600+ with it with the existing WinXP OS and Tmpgenc recognized SSE, SSE also confirmed by Sandra.

I did read somewhere prior to purchasing the CPU that some mbs at that time required a bios update for SSE to work.

[Kdiddy]

"However, here is my real point...I AM running TMPGenc Version 2.02 (NOT version 2.5), and it STILL does not allow the option to check the boxes for SSE and SSE-2 (they are greyed out). So, that must mean that version 2.02 has the same error that you say version 2.5 has. Right?"

Seems to me you the only one with their "panties in a wad", for it seems you the are the only one who does not have the SSE option available to them, so thus no prob with the software...I would concur with Douglesh (strange, ), you mainboard either sux...or the other most known computer problem, operator error....

I too place a XP chip in a clean and existing OS environment and had no problem with TMPG or SiSoft reading SSE in either situation.

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[Sefy]

Conclusion: Try getting a BIOS update for your mainboard, cause it may be outdated and did not enable the extra features of your Athlon XP CPU.

If you are using an updated BIOS, then I would strongly suggest you complain to your board supplier.

[shochan]

I have windows xp amd the athlon xp and I did an install after the instalation of the athlon xp. I have sse and can check or uncheck it in xp, 2000, 98se.

If you turn off the sse instruction set in tmpge it slows down alot. It actuialy does make a differance. and in cce 2.5 I went from 1.350 to 1.870. It makes alot of differance.

I hade the 1.4 amd now I have the 1600+ xp.

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