JVC DR-M100S versus Toshiba DR-4!!!!!

[mikej3131]

hey mozartman i just read this in the dr-m100s manual and the dr-m10s manual :

It is impossible to record onto DVD-R/RW (Video mode) discs
broadcasts that allow you to copy once. The copy once
programs can only be recorded onto DVD-RW discs formatted
in VR mode.

do you know how to check for 5c copy protection on channels?
are you sure you wree copying from a 5c copy protected show.


Are there such things i can buy to break this copy protection?

[dazz87]

FYI. Anyone looking for the Toshiba DR-4 check out Best Buy. Just pick up one for $129.00. There was one open box but it was only 10 bucks cheaper.

[samijubal]

The D-R4 rocks, best picture quality I've seen hands down. I picked 2 of them up on ebay for about $63 each.

[mikej3131]

can you record comcast dvr cable with this dr-4?

[samijubal]

I use a satellite, can't answer that one.

[divuer]

While I like the PQ of the DR-M100S the one thing I find unacceptable is that it is unable to record the closed caption information on recorded programs. Come on JVC, why did you fail to incorporate this 'no-brainer" feature.

[mikej3131]

just got the JVC dr-m100s dvd recorder and am recording 5c copy protected channels perfectly fine


hmmm just wondering, would different media produce different picture quality? i know different media produces different burn quality, but what about the picture quality with media??

[lordsmurf]

No. This is not analog. Media does not affect video/audio quality.

@divuer .... JVC does do CC. It's not advertised anywhere, but if you record a DVD on it, and press mute on a CC-enabled tv, there it is. Of course, this assumes what you recorded had CC, not everything does. You also need DVD-VIDEO mode, not VR mode.

[mikej3131]

closed caption is just the words on the bottom right? why does it have to be in mute?
If i record a show on comcast, does it record caption?

[quote]No. This is not analog. Media does not affect video/audio quality. [quote]
So for instance if i record a show with shitty memorex media and the same show with taiyo yuden, i will i get the same picture quality??????


Hey lordsmurf, does this jvc record the exact same audio the source tv show is using? and if so, does it do it by default or would i have to set it?


EDIT : Lordsmurf, should i know about any settings on this JVC to optimize PQ before i start recording everything? or can i just record right out the box ??

[lordsmurf]

Ready out of the box. I suggest you use FR185 recording mode for best quality, gets just over 3 hours on a single disc too.

Have you never used CC before on modern tv sets? Because "why does it have to be in mute?" is a really silly question.

[FulciLives]

Have you never used CC before on modern tv sets? Because "why does it have to be in mute?" is a really silly question.

In other words ... most modern televisions will automatically show CC (if it exists) when you press the MUTE VOLUME button on the TV.

If the TV does not do this automatically but does support CC then you should be able to set it up in the menu to do this automatically when you press the MUTE VOLUME button.

Of course who uses the TV speakers anymore LOL

- John "FulciLives" Coleman

[mikej3131]

is cc the same as having the volume up and having the words at the bottom?

whats it called when you have the volume up and you cant understand because the actor is mumbling, and you can turn something on to see the words.

and about the different xp or sp settings, that was going to be my next thread.

[DVWannaB]

someone said you can fix the letterbox problem by setting the motorola box to act like its outputting video for a 16:9 tv. its in the menu options.

Motorola dct3412? is that newer than the dct6412? does which box you have, have anything to do with being able to record?

The m10s is a newer version of the m100s, isnt it? because i know that it is more expensive than the m100s

That's what I have in the motorola box settings: 16:9 TV.
It's JVC fault recording widescreen letterboxed.
Or, may be motorola sending letterboxed signal to s-video output from widescreen HD movies.
When I record video from my Sony HC1, JVC records full widescreen video.

I am not sure which one is newer 3412 or 6412, but I know that 3412 is digital only, no analog channels.

No, M100S is newer.

I have a JVC MH30 and record widescreen material from time to time and it does it flawlessly. For this to happen it all depends on your cable or sattelite receiver. I set my HD reciever to output 16:9 and full-screen using Svideo cable. I use a 4:3 TV, so the picture looks kinda squished and commercials with a 4:3 AS has the black bars on left & right. There should never be black borders on top or bottom. If you see this, then the recorder will not record as it should. When I burn to DVD-RW and play on computer it is as it should be, in true widescreen format.

Like I said the key here is te signal your receiver outputs. My old Dish Network 6000 HD receiver is unable to send via svideo the proper 16:9 signal to the recorder. It automatically assumes 4:3 output. I have a MIT MDP-200 HD receiver that can also do over the air HD signals and it can be set to output the proper signal through svideo to the recorder.

[mikej3131]

I set my HD reciever to output 16:9 and full-screen using Svideo cable. I use a 4:3 TV, so the picture looks kinda squished and commercials with a 4:3 AS has the black bars on left & right.

Ok now what settings do you set in your JVC recorder to make this anamorphic widescreen? and what setting on your cable box do you change?

My old Dish Network 6000 HD receiver is unable to send via svideo the proper 16:9 signal to the recorder.

I have a comcast dct6412 motorola HD cable box. It lets me go in the menu and tell the box that i have a 16:9 tv and then there are 2 other setting :
1) ypbpr = 480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p
2) 4:3 override = off, stretch, 480i, 480p

So what settings do i have to use????
There is a thread about this at avsforum : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=663367&page=2&pp=30
A guy claims he make anamorphic widescreen with comcats box but then another guy in the same thread said it doesnt work.

HMMMMMMMMM

[divuer]

@divuer .... JVC does do CC. It's not advertised anywhere, but if you record a DVD on it, and press mute on a CC-enabled tv, there it is. Of course, this assumes what you recorded had CC, not everything does. You also need DVD-VIDEO mode, not VR mode.

I wish it was so but here's the response received from a JVC Escalation Agent:

Thank you for your recent e-mail inquiry to JVC. We, at JVC, regret the difficulty you have experienced with our product, as well and any inconvenience those difficulties may have caused you. Unfortunately this model will not record closed captioning on the DVD recorder deck of this unit, we have done test on recording closed caption and have change the settings but the unit will not record the closed caption.

Could this be a firmware issue? Does anyone know how to verify the firmware loaded on their unit?

[mikej3131]

Ready out of the box. I suggest you use FR185 recording mode for best quality, gets just over 3 hours on a single disc too.

XP would be the best quality, right?

Hey lordsmurf, i just read the manual and it said something about XP mode with dolby digigtal recording
it said this for the LINEAR PCMS indicator :
Lights when "XP MODE REC AUDIO" is set to "LINEAR PCM" (see page 59) for recording with dvd-r,dvd-ram,dvd-rw discs, and when linear PCM audio is displayed.
and then on page 59 it says :
XP MODE REC AUDIO - DOLBY DIGITAL/LINEAR PCM
You can select the audio format when you record a title in XP mode. When this function is set to "LINEAR PCM", you can obtain a high quality audio sound.
DOLBY : to record in dolby digital format
LINEAR PCM : to record in linear pcm format.

Should i set it to linear pcm if im using xp mode when recording shows?



Also, whats a SAP program.

It says this for SAP programs
2ND AUDIO RECORD - OFF/ON
When this function is set to on, if a SAP program is received, the sap audio is recorded on l?R tracks. the main audio is not recorded.

[samijubal]

SAP=second audio program, usually a radio station or Spanish. You use PCM for audio recording, don't use it for video, it uses a lot more disc space than DD and the video won't be as good.

[mikej3131]

so then use Dolby digital for recording video?

[samijubal]

yes

[DVWannaB]

I have a comcast dct6412 motorola HD cable box. It lets me go in the menu and tell the box that i have a 16:9 tv and then there are 2 other setting :
1) ypbpr = 480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p
2) 4:3 override = off, stretch, 480i, 480p

So what settings do i have to use????
There is a thread about this at avsforum : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=663367&page=2&pp=30
A guy claims he make anamorphic widescreen with comcats box but then another guy in the same thread said it doesnt work.

HMMMMMMMMM

Set it to 16:9 and 480i. 480i, because you will be using svideo or composite cables and your recorder only records interlaced video only.

[FulciLives]

I have a Motorola DCT6412 III with Comcast cable TV in the Pittsburgh, PA area.

I've tried setting the Motorola to a 16x9 WS TV and 480i for component out.

This does NOT give me 16x9 WS out via the S-video output.

- John "FulciLives" Coleman